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setanicx
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: camne nak kasi sustain panjang skit? Reply with quote



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aku harap korang sume bley kasi tips skit pasal benda nih.aku pakai squier strat jd dia kureng kick sket.jadi kalo bley aku nak kasi sustain dia pjng skit.sape2 yg ade pengalaman pasal benda nih kongsi2 lah ye.satu lagi mane nak dapat neck epiphone hah.aku punya epi dah bengkok +retak.cadang nak tukar la juga.agak2korang brapa harganye?tq. Very Happy Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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neck epiphone ko bolt on ke..??
kat kedai simon (i-bands ID=mr. fix it) ade satu
harge aku x ingat la...
kedai die kat Subang Squre, tingkat 2.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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try pakai compressor... then cuba adjust pickup tu sesedap rasa(tak terlalu tinggi sebab takut dia akan hold string tu sampai less vibrate)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Otaizam wrote:
try pakai compressor... then cuba adjust pickup tu sesedap rasa(tak terlalu tinggi sebab takut dia akan hold string tu sampai less vibrate)


setuju.. untuk sustain menggunakan effect pedal, boleh guna compressor sustainer. Satu lagi cara ialah menggunakan booster pedal sebelum distortion/Overdrive pedal ( guitar ->booster-> distortion-amp)..

Booster tu boleh jadi EQ pedal, another distortion/overdrive pedal atau proper booster pedal mcm Mxr Microamp..

Untuk tambahkan sustain pada guitar tu sendiri ada beberapa cara yg melibatkan kos dan tak melibatkan kos..

melibatkan kos:

tukar material type utk nut, fretwire dan bridge saddle. Meterial yg lebih solid akan bagi bunyi lebih sustain.. contohnya nut utk squier tu mungkin pakai material plastic.. so boleh la di upgrade guna Bone atau steel. Fretwire boleh guna nickel dll (ni sekadar contoh je)..

Tak melibatkan kos (kalau buat sendiri):

guitar mesti well setup.. action, intonation, ketinggian pickup dgn tali mesti optimum.. (boleh search kat google pasal tutorial setup guitar. Kat website fender pun ada.


lagi satu untuk improvekan sustain ialah dgn cuba memisahkan resonant pada neck dan body.. caranya nanti abang Ultraman Cosmo akan terangkan..

Ultraman.. jalankan tugas ko pulak hehehe..
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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biasa kalo strat ne, sustain salu gagal pasal nut, kene carik bone juga dan head machine bagus yang tak bergegar. kengkadang depan on amp setting juga, kalo tone crispy sangat biasa pendek bunyi dia.

nanti lah aku ceta pasal letak shim antara neck n body. tapi rasanya tak semua guitar jadi bunyi sedap kalo buat cam ne. maybe depand dengan resonance neck n body. kalo memisahkan gabungan resonance ne sedap. maka sedap lerrr. kalo tak jadi muddy pun boleh juga. tak der masa nak lukis kagi... hahhahaha.
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setanicx
PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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aku pakai effect zoom.bile pakai booster strat tu bunyi lebih kureng je ngan tak pakai booster.tp kalo pakai ibanez gio power plak gitar tuh.bunyi lemak merdu+jahat.kalo pakai epiphone bunyi dia sebu plak.x pakai booster ok plak dia.patut kena tukar pick-up ke?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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setanicx wrote:
aku pakai effect zoom.bile pakai booster strat tu bunyi lebih kureng je ngan tak pakai booster.tp kalo pakai ibanez gio power plak gitar tuh.bunyi lemak merdu+jahat.kalo pakai epiphone bunyi dia sebu plak.x pakai booster ok plak dia.patut kena tukar pick-up ke?


epiphone aper pakai boss?
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setanicx
PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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aku pakai sp model...

aku dah wat cam korang suruh.aku adjust blk pickup strat tuh baru la pnjng skit bunyi dia..best pulak rasenye.tq guys...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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cartman, eric wrote:
neck epiphone ko bolt on ke..??
kat kedai simon (i-bands ID=mr. fix it) ade satu
harge aku x ingat la...
kedai die kat Subang Squre, tingkat 2.


aku dah tgk kat kdai uncle tuh:tp design x same cam epi aku.arga dia lbih kurang 400 la jugak.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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ibanez gio?hehe, bagus guitar tu...saya pun guna ibanez gio!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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yusof wrote:
ibanez gio?hehe, bagus guitar tu...saya pun guna ibanez gio!


setuju... aku pun ada sebijik... sound pun leh tahan..(kat telinga aku laa) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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setiap guitar ada settingnya sendiri .. pakai effect zoom tu, ko set sound dgn guitar lain, lepas tu cucuk guitar lain mmg bunyi berubah.. so ko kena adjust balik sampai dapat balik sound yg ko nak.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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kalau nak sustain, pakai pickup yang bagus (kena kuar modal sket la) macam EMG active pickup, atau Sustainiac active pickup. pastu pakai tube amp. perghhh.. sustain giler.
ni pengalaman aku pakai pickup2 tu la. pastu try kat tube amp Laney 15W (direct masuk amp).
lepas tu sussssssstaaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn...............
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mitorak wrote:
kalau nak sustain, pakai pickup yang bagus (kena kuar modal sket la) macam EMG active pickup, atau Sustainiac active pickup. pastu pakai tube amp. perghhh.. sustain giler.
ni pengalaman aku pakai pickup2 tu la. pastu try kat tube amp Laney 15W (direct masuk amp).
lepas tu sussssssstaaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn...............


Kalo diceritakan pasal sustain ne, pure sustain sebenarnya datang dari guitar tu sendiri. Biasa bergantung pada semua bahagian yang berkaitan dengan tali guitar, termasuk dari bridge ker headmachine. kemudian lepas satle, baru kita masuk kat part electronic macam pickup, preamp, booster dan sebagainya.

Ceta pasal sustain dengan pickup ne ada sedikit tricky part biasanya berkaitan dengan pickup pole action. Macam EMG active biasanya guna alcino magnet yang lemah. So kemungkinan magnet ne ganggu getaran tali adalah lebih rendah dari magnet pada passive pickup.

Kita ambik contoh 2Xn dimarzio dengan 2 blade dan powerfull ceramic magnet. Jika kita setkan action pickup ne terlalu dekat pada tali akan menyebabkan tali yang bergetar akan tertarik pada magnet pickup. Tarikan oleh magnet ne la semacam cuba utk memberhentikan string dari bergetar. Result nya adalah sustain tali guitar akan pendek dan tak smooth ending. Biasanya ceramic lebih kuat tarik tali berbanding alcino. Dan biasanya single coil kurang masalah magnet tarik tali ne berbanding humbuker. Ini salah satu sebab single coil masih pilihan mereka mereka yang terlalu berkira pasal tone.

So biasanya utk set action pickup ne, walo pun ada beberapa standard dari pengeluar pickup akan action pickup. biasanya orang setup guna telinga utk dengar ending sustain pada ketinggian paling tinggi output dan sweet tapi tak hillang sustain smooth. Adjust pelahan pelahan semakin rapat dan dengar samada ending smooth dah mula terganggu ker tak. mean itu dah melepasi had ketinggian sepatutnya.

Utk EMG active semamngnya magnet dalam pickup tu lebih lemah daya tarikan berbanding pickup passive, so kemungkinan tarikan magnet menarik tali dapat di minimumkan. Tapi kalo buat cam ne, kat pasive pickup terutama yang hot, pasti sustain end buruk giler. ne ceta ada kaitan dengan flux magnet yang tak larat nak diterang.

Too many pickup, memula aku main guitar diorang kata lagi banyak pickup kat guitar lagi bagus. baru padat bunyi la kalo semua bukak dan sebagainya. Then aku wonder why ada guitar yang ada satu pickup bridge saja. Alasanya the player just guna bridge pickup jer jadi tak perlu letak neck pickup. Aku terfikir juga, kalo letak aper salahnya. Pastu aku terfikir plak kenapa ada HH dan ada HSH or HSS. After dah faham skit amacam sebenarnya pickup berfungsi, dengan magnet dan coil, baru aku faham, lagi sikit pickup kat guitar lagi bagus sebab kita dapat mengurangkan daya tarikan pada magnet pada setiap pickup.

correct me am i wrong
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wow..a very good topic..
cool discussion guys..

respect Cool
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