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mitorak

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: Marshall VS Laney

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allohaa warga i-bands.net. nak tanya pasal amp antara Marshall VS Laney, mana satu lagi sound best? ni utk model 20W dan ke atas. apa komen plak pasal harga? berbaloi dgn harga? utk pakar2, sila beri tunjuk ajar. aku budak baru belajar. huihuihi

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject:

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Kurang terperinci la soalan tu.

Aper jenis Amp? tube or ss or hibrid.

Laughing

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject:

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ultraman_cosmo wrote:

Kurang terperinci la soalan tu.

Aper jenis Amp? tube or ss or hibrid.

Laughing

anyway aku budak baru belajar. (tak cukup ilmu jenis2 amp ni) amp biasa lor.. bukan tube punye, bukan rack punya. harap otai2 gitar bleh crita pendapat masing2. maybe ramai org nak tau. so, share share kan lah knowledge anda. arigato.

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject:

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Susah nak cakap mana lagi best la bro. Sebab sound best tu bergantung pada taste masing2. Tapi untuk 20watt, amp Marshall yg murah2 tak ada model size tu. Yang ada 15watt dan 10 watt. Marshall 20watt cuma dikeluarkan dalam AVT series. AVT20 berharga lebih rm1.5k.
Jadi untuk beginner, elok la angkat Marshall MG15dfx. Sound dah cukup perfect utk room practice.

Tentang amp Laney pulak, boleh try LX series. Sound dia jenis lain sikit. Semua ni terpulang pada taste ko bro. So nanti ko pegi kedai, ko try la Marshall MG15dfx.. then try Laney LX15 pulak.. pastu decide yg mana ko suka sound dia. Dua2 model ni model murah dan mampu milik.

Nanti dah beli sound kitorang ok. Kasi dengar bunyi sikit..heheh
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:11 am Post subject:

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Laney n marshall.

Kita ceta pasal solid state yaa.
Kalo marshall MG aku boleh kata ia lebih bagus berbanding laney solidstate. Walopun sebenarnya aku sendiri tak berapa nak stuju dengan bunyi tone MG, sebu yg tajam. Laney setahu aku mengunakan TLO72 tuk preamp dan IC utk distortion tanpa ada clipping. Masalah utama sound laney adalah nipis dan kurang body dan bass respone. ini menyebabkan laney 100watt boleh tengelam bila jam bersama MG100 marshall. tapi kalo utk marshall, valvestate nyer memang aku respec sound dia. Sebenarnya pada aku, mashall nyer power amplifier section walopun solidstate adalah lebih sedap berbanding laney. Even kalo kita blast abis laney kita tak boleh dengar dia punya bloom sangat. Marshall ada lagi dia punya bloom.

just pendapat jer.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:33 am Post subject:

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Bro cosmo, apa pendapat bro pasal laney hybrid amp macam TF Series, LV series etc?
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject:

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TF Series Tube Fusion aku tak pernah pakai, tapi dari pendapat kengkawan for sure ia lebih baik la dari solidstate. Have no idea.

LV series
- baru nyer series
- dah sampai malaysia kaaa.
- aku dengar sample jer, sound preamp boleh tahan gempak cuma disebabkan pakai bukan tube poweramp, dia punya pasir ada kedengaran. Biasanya powertube section jer dapat erase benda benda freq bunyi pasir ne.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject:

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ultraman_cosmo wrote:

Biasanya powertube section jer dapat erase benda benda freq bunyi pasir ne.

kalau pakai external EQ eg Boss EQ...membantu tak?
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject:

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Mad Souls wrote:

ultraman_cosmo wrote:

Biasanya powertube section jer dapat erase benda benda freq bunyi pasir ne.

kalau pakai external EQ eg Boss EQ...membantu tak?

TAK, sebab bunyi pasir ne dalam range 1khz ke attas, boleh diremove guna eq tapi kita kan kehilangan freq lain yang lebih diperlukan utk high harmonic dan presence. bertambah plak masalah bila kita cut satu range freq padahal kita still guna freq lain dalam range tu.

Kata lah kita cut 1khz sama la kita cut freq lain sebelah menyebalah macam 900hz dan 1.3khz. If memang serius nak guna eq itk remove pasir ne maybe aku syorkan guna paramatic eq dimana kita boleh target freq yang kita nak cut dan set q [range]. So kita boleh set range kecik pada freq tu sahaja dan kurang melibatkan freq sebelah nyebalah.

Utk band EQ macam boss ge7 kita tak boleh nak set q utk freq kina nak boost or cut. so kemungkinan utk terlibat sama freq sebelah nyebalah adalah tingi. Maybe boleh remove the pasir tapi kita kan hilang spakle tone la pulak.
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Dufresne

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject:

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Laney TF series, hands down, the best hybrid amp ever! Almost suma range dia hits all the right points. Yg 30 watt tu pon awesome gak, can get a lot of different tones, very versatile+responsive, very loud for bedroom use. Yg lg best dr TF series bg aku, definitely Marshall Mode Four, tp yg tu dtg dgn head aje...

TF series employ a 12AX7 tube kat drive section shj, so u get full on tube drive at the drive channel, clean channel x affected, unlike the Marshall's Valvestate & AVT series. Valvestate series byk problem on the clean channel in the sense that 'its Marshall clean', kalo pakai gitar dgn high output hb, 1/2 volume pon still kotor. Somehow, dlm byk2 Valvestate yg aku pernah jumpe, basically clean channel dia mmg mcm tu the older it gets. Bende2 ni x de kat TF series...

Kalo nak try LV series, try the LV200, yg LV100 tu pakai tube emulation, sound dia mcm generic sgt la, kurang character. LV 200 ke atas, sound dia mcm TF series. Distortion dia x lawan tube amp, tp boleh tahan la, & quite surprising, considering the price & the package. G'luck...

Cheers... Twisted Evil

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject:

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ultraman_cosmo wrote:

...dia punya pasir ada kedengaran. Biasanya powertube section jer dapat erase benda benda freq bunyi pasir ne.

I dont think tube pwr amp section can eradicate selected frequencies dude...

Pwr amp will always amplify ape2 signal yg masuk kat input dia. In terms of guitar pwr amp, theres a lil bit of ear-pleasing & slight distortion yg byk guitarist suke, but basically the rest is the same. Any frequency alteration & shaping must be done before it, kat preamp ke, pedal, guitar, etc. Kalo bunyi pasir tu, mcm MT-2, or distortion pedal lain, kena cut kat situ dulu before sampai ke amp, blh pakai mcm2 nak adjust the sound, eq, compressor, etc. My 2 cents...

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject:

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Maybe kita ceta pasal bunyi pasir yang tak sama... the white thing. ooo pedal punya pasir aku ingat aku explane pasal preamp distort dalam amp tadi.

Aku terpaksa akur, bila berdepan dengan sifu amp... hhahahaha

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Pwr amp will always amplify ape2 signal yg masuk kat input dia.

- secara consepnya aku stuju lebih kurang macam tu.
- bila aku mula berjumpa dengan macam macam jenis tube KT##, EL##, 6L6%% dan macam macam lagi.
- baru aku faham bahawa tube ne respone berbeza kepada freq spectrum.
- even the design, push n pull, or single or inverter stage dgn preamp tube sebelomnya pun erase beberapa freq terutamanya noise.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject:

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Dufresne wrote:

Thanks 4 the info bro, Wonder where to get TF amp... Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject:

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Chaaiit...mane de jd sifu amp plak Confused

Aku ni user biase je, huhu...

White thing eh? Mcm pernah dgr... tp most of the time biler org ckp bunyi pasir, mesti dr pedal mcm MT-2, DS-1, biler mid dgn treble dia dah peak, dia start jd harsh. Lg teruk biler ade amp yg amplify plak signal yg mcm tu, mmg kena adjust la. Bende2 mcm tu blh tweak, personally i like using a parametric EQ nak take out harsh/peaky stuff. Pakai graphic EQ pon blh, tp its more like masking the sound...

otaiker...
Dulu aku pasang niat nak beli TF tu, yg 1/2 stack. Harge dia yg best, made in UK plak tu. Try cr used la kalo blh. Kalo x pon, cr je kedai muzik mane2, i tell u why...

Laney distributor dia ialah Yamaha. Yamaha Music bwk byk brand, dorang supply stuff 1 Msia. Kalo ko jumpe kedai muzik yg ade brand2 mcm Technics, mesti ade brand Yamaha or stuff yg Yamaha supply. So chances r mesti ade at least 1 amp Laney. If ure lucky, u could some NOS amps la. Ade mmbr aku baru je beli Laney LC-50 II, 50 watt all tube 1X12 speaker, Rm1200 je... Evil or Very Mad

So...g la redah suma kedai, hehe

Cheers... Twisted Evil

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:26 am Post subject:

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Thank Alel... great info,
Rasanya gua tahu sapa yang beli Laney LC50 tu..hehehe
TAPI TAK SANGKA PLAK REGE DIA RM1200 Evil or Very Mad

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