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| afiqme |
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satu lagi care nak sustain ... beli gripmaster ... workout jari2 ko kasi kuat skit... so ko dpt hold note tu kuat skit + lebih lame n sekaligus ko dpt sustain note tuh ... vibrato teknik pun penting jugak kalau ko nak sustain lagi lame... 
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| soundfreak22nd |
| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ade org cakap, pakai tali gauge besar lagi panjang sustain..
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| afiqme |
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| soundfreak22nd wrote: | Ade org cakap, pakai tali gauge besar lagi panjang sustain..
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aku tak perasan plak tuh walapun skang aku pakai 10-50
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| soundfreak22nd wrote: | Ade org cakap, pakai tali gauge besar lagi panjang sustain..
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- beza utama tali besar dan tali Kecik, contohnya 008 and 011 adalah tension berbeza yang dikenakan kepada tali utk standard tuning.
Contohnya,
- Gauge besar 011 memerlukan tension yang yang lebih berbanding 008.
- maksudnya pada standard tunning 011 adalah lebih tegang berbanding 008.
- OK. sebenarnya sustain maybe ada improve skit sebab tension bertambah. Tapi pekara sebenarnya yang bertambah adalah Volume tali itu. Macam guitar akustik, benda ne lebih jelas kedengaran. Guitar akustik dengan tali besar lebih kuat bunyi berbanding guitar dengan tali kecik.
- yang tegang mestilah bergetar dengan lebih lama.
- apabila volume bertambah, pickup akan lebih mudah mengesan signal yang besar tersebut berbanding tali kecik.
- Sebenarnya, tali kecik masih bergetar tapi signalnya tak cukup kuat utk ditranslate oleh pickup.
- So here is the defferent antara pickup hot dan cool. Pickup hot biasanya berkeupayaan utk mengesan signal yang kecik dan ini menyebabkan sustain kedengaran lebih panjang.
- Dan salah satu sebab nya plak adalah, guitar baru beli biasanya mempunyai neck yang sangat lurus dengan tali kecik = 009. So bila kita guna 010, ini akan menyebabkan tension lebih dikenakan pada neck dan ia kan melengkong skit dan tetiba singing... hahahhaha.
Tak der orang nak ceta pasal saddle ka, nut ker, head machine or neck join even jambo fret.
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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Bolt on Necks Have Gotten a Bad Rap
By Ed Roman
Many players assume that to build a good guitar it should have a glued on neck. I for one definitely do not believe that. Just because most companies charge extra for that option I think people just assume that it’s better because it usually costs more.
I am going to attempt to dispel that myth. In fact I personally think that a normal set neck is the absolute worst way to construct an electric guitar!
It actually costs less to glue in a neck than to bolt one in correctly. Gluing up a neck is pretty basic. You apply glue inside the neck joint, slide the neck in and clamp it down. A bolt in neck requires a lot more work, there is no room for a sloppy fit like on a glue in neck. The cost of stainless bolts and press fittings are far higher than the cost of a little glue. The labor factor requires 4 holes drilled and countersunk. The tolerances are extremely tight on a good bolt on neck where the tolerances are far less important with the application of glue. If you make a mistake and drill incorrectly it’s time to throw away the body. On a glued up neck there are no holes to drill and less chances of a mistake.
I know, I know it’s been done that way for 60 or 70 years! why change now? Why not keep our heads buried in the sand and continue thinking like we did in the 50’s & 60’s ?
Any luthier will tell you that the neck breakage occurs more on set neck guitars than all other guitars combined. The fact is I have repaired less than 15 bolt on necks in 32 years. I have repaired well over 2000 set necks and at any given time there are probably at least 6 of them broken in my shop.
First of all there is absolutely nothing wrong with a bolt on or bolt in neck as long as it’s done right. I must stress the part about it being done right !!!!!
The glue between the neck & body of a guitar will prevent 60% to 70% of high end tone transference. For example, try to get a funky nasal ducktone twang on a glued in neck guitar. It won’t happen.
Bolt on necks got their bad reputation during the 70’s when companies were making them with ill fitting or loose neck joints. A loose neck joint causes instability and detracts horribly from tone quality. A loose neck joint will also cause tremendous loss of sustain. Some companies in the 70’s were mass producing guitars as fast as they could and were simply not paying attention to the neck joint! The necks were not fitted correctly and in many cases the strings were actually hanging off the edge of the neck.
A lot of criticism is leveled at the 3 screw neck mounting plates of the era. Personally I like the concept of the tilting neck which of course is only available with a three bolt neckplate.
Thanks to modern machinery and woodworking techniques neck joints are a lot better & tighter today. We now know much more about guitar construction than we used to. Guitars in general are a lot better today, even the Mexican ones are better than some of those USA guitars from the 90’s. A tight neck joint equals a good guitar !!!
The neck joint is the heart of the guitar, If the neck joint is set up properly the guitar WILL always sound better.
In my shop we make it a rule to mount each neck so tightly that it’s almost a force fit. The technician should be able to physically pick up the guitar by the neck so that the body is suspended and the fit alone should be enough to hold the body to the neck.
My sure fire test is to take a thin guitar pick and try to slide it between the neck and the body. If I can get the pick into the crack then I know the guitar will be lacking in tone & sustain.
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Bolt On Vs. Bolt In
Both ways work very well as long as you get a tight neck fit. The bolt in like the Quicksilver is superior because there is no protruding flange to bolt the neck onto. The neck actually bolts in through the back of the guitar. Consequently you get better stability, even more tone & sustain and as an added bonus you can reach higher up the neck. More notes, more better sounding notes !!!!
The Quicksilver goes one better, The Quicksilver actually incorporates the rhythm or neck pickup right into the neck joint. To my knowledge no other company affixes one pickup directly to the tongue of the neck and the other one directly to the body. We have been doing this modification to PRS guitars for more than 10 years. It really works well on a PRS the difference is noticeable even for a novice player. The modification is completely invisible and you cannot tell it has been done except by listening to it. We do it to set neck models and to Bolt In models. Personally I think it works best on a Bolt In Model but even a novice can easily hear the difference on a set neck version of a PRS.
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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REAL SUSTAIN vs. FAKE SUSTAIN
Real sustain is what you get when the strings of your guitar are blasted by the high volume sound from your speakers. The result is unmistakeable and awesome, but very difficult to control - kind of like handling a race car.
Fake sustain is what you get from effects boxes trying to duplicate this sound by simply processing the signal from your guitar. The truth is, none of these effects boxes come close to sounding like real sustain.
more
http://www.sustainiac.com/aboutsus.htm
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The Heavier Headstock Myth
by Greigg Fraser
I would like to talk about a very important discovery I made a couple of years ago. It deals with how increasing your guitar's headstock mass can increase your sustain. I'd always regarded this theory as a bit of a myth - until I experienced it first hand!
I was ordering some tools and parts out of the Stewart MacDonald catalogue when I came across an interesting item. It was a set of ebony replacement tuner buttons made to replace the standard chrome style ones found on Schaller tuners. I thought they would look great on my Paul Reed Smith Custom and included them in my order.
When they arrived I was eager to put them on and to say the least, they looked wonderful! However, when I played my guitar I noticed a distinct lack of tone and resonance - almost as if the guitar was water logged or something. That singing woody sustain was gone - and then I remembered the Heavier Headstock Myth.
I quickly retrieved my discarded chrome tuner buttons and noticed that just one of them weighed much more than all six of the ebony ones put together. I changed them back right away and presto - my guitar's sound was back!
I recall a product from several years ago called Fat Head which was a sheet of bell brass cut out to fit the shape and style of a guitar's headstock, and when installed was said to greatly increase the sustain of your instrument. I now believe it!
So, if anyone out there is interested in increased sustain, I'd strongly suggest finding some way of adding mass to your headstock - it really works!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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install the bulkiest acoustic tuner you can get at the headstock permanently? 
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| ultraman_cosmo wrote: |
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- yang tegang mestilah bergetar dengan lebih lama.
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aku suka btul kat part nih...hehehehe
| ultraman_cosmo wrote: |
Tak der orang nak ceta pasal saddle ka, nut ker, head machine or neck join even jambo fret. |
errr yg nih kalo sapa pakai strat la...nut tukaq brass ka besi ka tulang(bones) gading gajah, tanduk kamben ka bleh tambah lagi sustain...kalo nak tau lebih lanjut kena tanya bro woof nih... 
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| danger3s |
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: |
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'zzz' 'zzz'
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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| Quote: | | 'zzz' years of practising and playing will adjust your opinion about how to get better sustain.. it starts with your finger bones... loud volume.... and a reasonable guitar... ask pete townshend and jeff beck, what happen to their ears... 'zzz' |
Lama tak post brother. We still need u, here... hahhaha
Kalo kita search pasal bolt neck vs neck through guitar vs set neck. Kebanyakan legend guitarist lebih suka bolt neck. tone guitar ne pada aku macam kita masak lauk, sustain maybe garam, tapi masakan ne kena balance garam, manis, masam, pedas, panas, lemak dan sebagainya. Jika just ada garam jer lebih maka masin la ia.
Biasanya orang upgrade nut n saddle, tapi aku jarang dengar orang ceta pasal fret wire. Anyone boleh terangkan pasal kepentingan fret wire.
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| mitorak |
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| sifu ultraman_cosmo ni mmg byk ilmu yg bleh di share. tenkiu kepada yg share ilmu. ada lagi idea-idea yg lain nak bg sustain best. sifu-sifu gitar sila bantu. |
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| jejari7 |
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sebut pasal nut dengan saddle ni aku terjumpa Graph Tech punya set kit untuk improve tone gitar especially utk gitar yg low end. aku pun dalam proses nak order satu. link: http://www.graphtech.com/products.html?SubCategoryID=26
off topic sket, klu order part guitar mcm ni kastam caj tax tak? |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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| jejari7 wrote: | sebut pasal nut dengan saddle ni aku terjumpa Graph Tech punya set kit untuk improve tone gitar especially utk gitar yg low end. aku pun dalam proses nak order satu. link: http://www.graphtech.com/products.html?SubCategoryID=26
off topic sket, klu order part guitar mcm ni kastam caj tax tak? |
Acually aku pernah pakai graphite, tusq cuma string saver jer lom lagi.
- acually graphite hitam ne less bright sound dia tapi sustain boleh tahan.
- tusq, bright mak aiiii, maple neck boleh surrender beb. bright sangat.
- Aper aper pun korang nak order ne, lebih rm500 (termasuk shipping) kastam mula la nak tahan.
- maybe u boleh bagi massage to the seller or store utk declare harga barang rendah.
- Sepengalaman gua ada store yg terkenal yg sentiasa declare harga rendah utk bantu u lepas kastam.
Sepakara lagi.
- ini kit u kena check spec dia bebetul.
- graphtech ada banyak jenis size, width, radius or flat.
- juga bridge saddle ada spacing or size or height tertentu.
- so ada baiknya tanya the store mana yg ngam dengan guitar u baru beli.
- kalo pakai guitar mahal fender or gibson tak der masalah, sebab memang dah ada graphtech buat ikut ukuran standardnya.
- tapi kalo guitar copy yg tak tau asal usulnya, tu payah skit.
- Still boleh, ambik pembaris, ukur dan badingkan dengan model spec yg graphtech ada.
Thank
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