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| wreckens |
 Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Multieffects question |
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This is the 1st time im buying multiefx
so im thinking Of POD 2.0
banding ngan multiefx brand lain spt gt6 korg digitech
ape kelebihan POD? ape keburukan die?
kalu banding ngan model lain POD plak
Xt, floor pod?
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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kengkawan,
mintak tolong terangkan dengan wreckens pasal bebenda ne. kalo gua free nanti aku karang satu novel... hahahah. aku bz skit ari ne.
Okta, engko la potxtman, hahahahahahahha.
kalo nak detail pasal pod, drop by CK music, biasanya diorang terangkan A-Z.
thank in advnde.
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| wreckens |
| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: |
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XT have more variety from 2.0... A lot more function..
but 2.0 is the simple but still great.
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Sebenarnya aku tak pernah ada ini pod 2, aku ader podxt yg disambungkan kepada pc supaya jimat skit letrik sebab tak payah fire up amp.
Kenapa ndak beli pod 2, Sebenarnya ada bagus juga. First, sebelom ko beli, try baca manual dulu, Biasanya tu lah pekara pertama aku akan buat bila berminat terhadap suatu product. Aku pernah baca GT-10 nyer manual sebab aku nak tau aper yg baru dan dah tak der dalam nya.
http://line6.com/data/l/c0a8090b14eb9404fb8507db90/application/pdf/POD%202.0%20User%20Manual%20-%20English.pdf
Peakara pekara yg perlu anda ambik tau.
1. Amp modeling technology.
- teknology ini adalah satu keajaiban digital, dimana kita guna digital prosesor utk meniru legend nyer amp.
- Walo cam mana pun, tak semestinya yg meniru atau yg ditiru tu dah equaly serupa.
- maybe secara freq or voicing dah sama, walopun ada banyak pekara lian masih jauh tak sama.
2. mana nak cucuk ini benda.
- pekara ne memang perlu tau, segala jenis multiefect dengan preeamp inside memang takan sedap kalo kita cucuk masuk normal input pada guitar amp.
- Biasa nya kita perlukan PA, mic input, or return loop or masuk pc trus dan sebagainya.
- So kalo anda ader sebijik MG30DX tanpa effect loop maka anda akan merasakan pelik, apasal ini multieffect bunyi nipis macam siool.
- satu ceta kena carik amp ada mic, or keyboard amp dan sebagainya.
3. Boleh update ker.
- pod 2 boleh update, kalo tak silap kena tukar chip. ini kena tanya ridzi. seingat aku dia tau tentang ne.
- podxt keata, boleh update pakai monkey[sofware dia] trus kat internat.
- podxt, kita boleh tambah, senarai effect or preamp addon dari internat. ada percuma dan ada kena bayorrr.
4. kalo nak bawak gi jam, kena ada foot switch. Line 6 nyer foot switch biasanya mahal mahal belaka. Cerita pasal foot switch ne la, kengkadang aku rasa better beli itu Podxt life or podX3 sebab tak payah pening lagi nak carik foot switch. Pod 2 pakai floo board dan FB4. kena pakai stwich lama dan tak compitable dengan switch switch terbaru utk pot xt or pro.
5. Midi out/in dan tarak usb.
- ini masalah besar kalo computer tarak midi in or out.
- pod 2 masih tak der usb or fire wire nyer socket.
- Podxt keatas semua nya usb compitable, nak edit, nak digital signal trus masuk pc, nak update semuanya senang.
6. effect loop.
- pod 2 tak der effect loop tapi pod 2 boleh digunakan pada fx loop pada mixer or PA or amp.
- kalo nak pakai external pedal, tak der masalah.
- guitar > ds-1 > pod2 > PA. Sebelom pod kita letak gadget.
- Tapi selapas pod, tu aku tak pasati.
- Utk Podxt, biasanya kita tak letak pedal pasal itu output dari podxt adalah low independance.
7. bunyi yg sedap dan bunyi yg real.
- tu lah delema pod, antara simulation lebih kepada yg real or asalkan sedap didengar.
- pada gua ia lebih kepada sedap didengar berbanding yg realnyer.
- aku dah pernah dengar beberapa amp the real thing so memang tak sama.
- pod maybe meamng boleh simulate itu preamp, tapi amp bukan pasal preamp jer, ada banyak benda lain macam, jenis tube, jenis powertube, tranformer nyer caractor, even the speaker, componen dan meterial pada circuitnya.
- Tapi tu lah yg aku risau, bila kita dah mula setkan dalam kepala itu JCM800 sebagai bunyi marshall pasahal semua orang tahu ia ada banyak beza the real thing dan simulate.
- aku teringat satu tika dulu, gua mai CK, mamat staff kat situ kata, satu hari nanti orang tak kan pakai tube amp lagi, semua pakai simulation. Yer kan ajer.
8. banding dari segi harga, user friendly, sound, durability
- lebih user friendly la berbanding menatang roland.
- even manual pun senang nak baca berbanding manual roland yg macam baca index bursa saham kuala lumpur. Display data tanpa ayat yg senang difahami oleh semua. Sebabnya bukan semua orang boleh baca benda yg too technikal.
- Kebanyaka feedback aku terima, kebanyakan orang suka sound preamp pod2 berbanding podxt, walo cam mana pun podxt lebih banyak kelebihan dalam pekara update, dan editing.
- pod 2 mesti murah skit, tapi kalo 2nd boleh sampai 500 juga laaa.
- Barang line 6 ne jarang turun harga junam.
9. Pod2 berbanding pod lain.
- kalo tak silap gua pod floor adalah pod 2 version pijak.
- Pod floor plus juga satu lagi extention utk pod 2.
- Cuma pod xt, pro dan x3 adalah dari family lain.
9. Pod2 berbanding multieffect lain.
- sebenarnya kalo nak dibandingkan antara line6, roland, digitech, tc electronic, korg, dan sbg. Sampai bila tak abis abis.
- nanti si roland kuar baru, si line 6 pun kuar sama, then si zoom pun tak nak mengalah juga. Last last kita jadi mangsa asik layan GAS jer kakakakka.
- Cam ne lah, guna lah yg mana mana pun asalkan i sesuai utk anda, asalkan kita senang dapat tone aku kira dah cukup baik.
- ada multieffect yg terlalu complex macam roland dan tc sehinggakan kita tak boleh nak pakai dan faham 100%.
- ada antara kita lebih suka senang berbanding bermalam dok tweak button sampai kepala teleng.
10. multieffect or single stomp.
- ada gua, anda perlu ada exprience pada single stompbox before nak try ini multieffect.
- sebabnya pada multieffect anda akan di hidangkan dengan bermacam macam effect sehingga tak tau mana nak guna.
- even setiap effect ada plak dia punya parameter yg kita tak tau amacam mau guna.
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| wreckens |
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| ultraman_cosmo wrote: |
2. mana nak cucuk ini benda.
- pekara ne memang perlu tau, segala jenis multiefect dengan preeamp inside memang takan sedap kalo kita cucuk masuk normal input pada guitar amp.
- Biasa nya kita perlukan PA, mic input, or return loop or masuk pc trus dan sebagainya.
- So kalo anda ader sebijik MG30DX tanpa effect loop maka anda akan merasakan pelik, apasal ini multieffect bunyi nipis macam siool.
- satu ceta kena carik amp ada mic, or keyboard amp dan sebagainya.
effect or preamp addon dari internat. ada percuma dan ada kena bayorrr. |
roland cube ader x keperluan di atas?
| ultraman_cosmo wrote: |
8. banding dari segi harga, user friendly, sound, durability
- lebih user friendly la berbanding menatang roland.
- even manual pun senang nak baca berbanding manual roland yg macam baca index bursa saham kuala lumpur. Display data tanpa ayat yg senang difahami oleh semua. Sebabnya bukan semua orang boleh baca benda yg too technikal.
- Kebanyaka feedback aku terima, kebanyakan orang suka sound preamp pod2 berbanding podxt, walo cam mana pun podxt lebih banyak kelebihan dalam pekara update, dan editing.
- pod 2 mesti murah skit, tapi kalo 2nd boleh sampai 500 juga laaa.
- Barang line 6 ne jarang turun harga junam. |
harga podxtlive / pod 2.0 + footswitch / podx3?
and trimas banyak2 wikicosmo kerana menolong meluang masa anda untuk generasi baru
berbanyak terima kasih |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | roland cube ader x keperluan di atas? |
- rasanya tak der effect loop or mic input or preamp in.
- tapi roland cube default clean amp adalah JC120 simulation, kalo pakai GT-8 kita boleh set output kepada jc120 combo.
- utk pod2 i have no idea.
| Quote: | | harga podxtlive / pod 2.0 + footswitch / podx3? |
- call CK music lah yer.
- melawat lah ker CK music, diorang akan terangkan semuanya.
- http://www.ckmusic.com.my/
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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None of the cube series from roland has any sort of effect/send/return loop at all.
They're all practice amps, even up to cube 60. You'll have to switch to jc-clean and plug the effects where your guitar input goes.
I think you'll have to get the jc-120 amp for effects loop, and it's the most expensive amp they have after the cube60. hehehe.
So far, the cheapest amp with effects loop under 1k I spotted is the ibanez valbee, a full tube amp at 5 watts.
If anyone has any other recommendation for an amp with effects loop at affordable prices, let me know too. |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Aku sampai sekarang, masih cucuk itu pod or gt-8 into mic input kat cheapo prince stinger amp 30 watt rm400 beli kat woh fatt 5 years ago. better result bebanding kat laney or marshall mg loop.. hehhehe. Tu lah amp kesayangan gua... hahahhahaah. Tapi itu prince preamp bebetul buruk soit bunyi dia.
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| wreckens |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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ohhh
so jc clean tu dpt la terima bunyi multifx dari pedal tu?
so its ok to use mutiefx with my roland cube iff aku x mau
bli amp baru? |
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| spiderfingers |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| wreckens wrote: | ohhh
so jc clean tu dpt la terima bunyi multifx dari pedal tu?
so its ok to use mutiefx with my roland cube iff aku x mau
bli amp baru? |
Yes, but please turn down the gain, just level 1 or 2 gain enough already. Up the volume.
This is so the amp won't color your tone so much.
The other way is to hook it up to the aux in of your cube amp.
Only the microcube and cube 30x and below have aux-in. Cube 60 don't have.
That is the best clearest option to prevent tone coloring, but your volume will be controlled from the multi-fx unit. This is assuming your multi-fx does amp modeling+cabinet models as well.
Otherwise, jc-clean model with lowest gain is the next best option. |
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| wreckens |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| wats the difference between inserting teh cable normally and using teh aux? |
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| wreckens |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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vox tonelab bagus x?
price range berape> |
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| spiderfingers |
| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| wreckens wrote: | | wats the difference between inserting teh cable normally and using teh aux? |
Inserting your cable through the guitar input will go through the pre-amp which will color your tone, that's fine if that's your desired effect.
Going through the aux-in, preserves your multi-fx's tone (IE boss-gt10, zoom g1/etc) assuming you want the tone you hear using earbuds/earphones from the multi-fx unit to sound identical on the amp itself.
You basically turn your amp into a 'monitor' unit by using the aux-in.
Aux-in is normally for putting in background music to jam along, so it has to leave the original sound untouched.
You're basically just using the 'power amp' section of the amp which won't color your tone compared to the pre-amp.
The other way is to get a monitor/full-range speaker systems for the multi-fx unit (that's if you're using their onboard amp modeling) |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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wreckens,
ko beli jer mana mana geng, mana ada multieffet paling bagus dalam dunia. semua mesti ada kekurangan dan kelebihan. kalo ceta pasal amacam bunyi keluar ia lebih kepada user sendiri nyer skill. It just a tool, kita yg kena tau amacam mau pakai.
Once ko memiliki, then ko akan faham bebenda dalam nya. sebab kalo ko tak kenal, terang pun tak guna, pasal ko tak kan nampak bebenda dalam multieffect tu. Maybe kalo aku terangkan sususan effect chain dalam the whole mfx sure ko akan lagi confuse.
kalo ko nak pakai yg senang, gunalah line6, pasal semua nya senang, update, carik tone, download tone. Kalo nak yg komplex pakai la GT-8 or 10 tapi ini bukan mainan biasa, kena faham bebetul setting pelik pelik dalam nya. Vox sebenarnya memiliki antara preamp paling best dan tepat utk lagendary amp. Bunyi memang real. Digitech tu kena tanya izzi kakakkaka, kalo kayo raya angkat TC electronik laaa. kakakakak.
Ini ada satu forum
http://forum.thestompbox.net/
- spend time baca dalam tu sebab ada banyak benda baik dan buruk kat dalam.
- if u like satu multieffect tu, jangan consider semua yg baik jer, try kenal juga aper masalah dia supaya tak menyusahkan kemudian hari.
- keperluan tone kita berbeza, ada orang tak perlu overdrive dan ada orang tak boleh hidup tanpa distort.
- TSB Articles & Editorials, MFX room.
- aku pun banyak belajar kat situ. Tapi aku bukan stakat reading jer, balik rumah sure gua experiment nyer.
- ko jumpa yg tak faham, ko tanya kat sini. nanti gua cuba terangkan. Tapi gua tak familiar dengan digitech dan zoom.
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