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browndog2woof |
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: what to look for in boutique or modded pedals |
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fretted bros and gals,
lately aku dengar banyak cerita pasal hot rodded boutique pedals.. first aku mau tanya..
1) beli pasal mau gempak orang
2) mau follow guitar hero atau apa orang pakai
3) fashion show/trend
4) sound
apa mau cari dalam good pedal..
1) sound bila on.. tarak colour ori string dynamics and responds
2) sound bila off mesti clear as possible near the ori tone or better/ tak suck tone, or for that matter, true bypass
3) loose tone as per strings, not too tight neither too loose, good bottom, mid and sparkles
4) not too overdose of gain... even on modulation or delay. thick lushing sound still ok to me.. not thin and dry.
5) easy to tame knobs.. to me, the lesser the better. i'm not a rocket scientist.. and i hate those unnecessary knobs that 'tak dengar kata!' that means too complicated to tweak..
6) not sounding too digital.. natural sounding tone prefered! a nasal, dry and thin sound of a digital effect sounds are the worst ones that i hated most! no matter how expensive they are..
7) i prefer one in one pedal, but a very good sound when played. not 20 in one.. jack of all trade but master of none...
apa ada dalam good circuit boards..
1) not smd circuit (ala, yg micro macam dalam, computer, hp or walkman). mau yg solid good quality parts..
2) must use good quality components, pcb, controls, resistor, transistor, wires, chip etc. don't worry, they will charge you...
3) as for that circuit lay out - the simpler makes it better. mostly on analog overdrive pedals or/and some early bucket brigade chip pedals (on modulations and delays)...
kalo dah banyak sangat strange looking custom factory microchip and ic's inside, you might have problems if a problem occurs.. for example boss ce2 pcb and circuits doesn't look too complicated to work on for repairs if you have the parts. ts9/sd1 for that other comparison and good example... it still maintains till today. look at boss dd3 pedal... their specs evolve from year to year of so called improvements or better design... look at custom factory the chip... omg, mana mau cari ini barang sekarang? obselete sudah!
but why are there issues on new vs old badge? jap vs taiwan? this production vs that production year? let me tell you bros and gals. it's all definitely all about SOUND! please don't get yourself caught in a trap.. and don't forget that early MIT are japs stuffs too.. not all japs productions have the same good sound as the other.. keep this in mind.
so came in boutiques fellas. their work are based on...
1) make your pedal sounds better than the existing tone..
2) as near as possible to the early productions or vintage..
3) put more steroids, tone/boost switches and leds to meet up the with the current demand.. or satisfy your needs..
but can all of these really be true on doing magic and wonders?
it has to match with your total package too!.. amps, guitars and most of all, your tone.. some pedals really matches with certain amps/guitars and have some kind of solid bonding tone relation between one another..... or vice versa... for example is that, ts9 output buffer matches the input of fender tube amps (the word vintage and mods are involved here.. look up for cesar diaz and rene martinez, you know what i mean) some pedals work well with tube amps, some with transistors.. this is how it goes..
during the 60s, amp makers will make amps based on the tubes/transformer/components supplied on that particular decade... therefore, all pedal makers will make these tube amp as their reference amp... this will go right to the late 70s... most bands still plays tube amps and the sound is indeed still happening.. all kind of early introductions pedals are there.. (for example, pedals like ts 808, sd1 still exist till today...)
then came of the transistor amp invasion on mid 80s right through late 90s... thought of taking over the tube scene.... therefore, some pedals are made and based on transistor amps as for their guide and reference.. indeed influences the pedal makers design. this is before the appearance of half breed/cross breed amp designs starts to move in.. (transistor preamp with tube powered power amp or vice versa..) most makers are beginning to aware of the return of the tubes...
then, the next decade of living dangerously came... vintage and collectors, musicians are looking and hunting more on yester years nostalgic tone. they realised that 60s and 70s stuffs are really way cool compared to the boredom of transistor amp solid state technology.. so, the companies are now on a new tube based amp or starting making reissues to meet up with the supply and demand.. but there things that time forgot..
1) the vintage makers or factories of the best parts and components are obselete/closed
2) the cost are now skyrocketed to produce the same specs, grade and quality.. i.e material content, wood grades, expensive alnicos, all sorts of wires, chemicals, raw materials etc. etc. or they have all gone up... so they begin to turn to substitute grades or materials as replacement... even redesign the parts and components.. making them smaller.. and cheaper..
3) they don't makes things like they use to in the old days.. period!
4) when they became mass productions.. every single cost does matters, however, cosmetic wise must be authentic to the originals... but as for the parts inside, well, you know and i know la... hmmm... and sound wise? sendiri mau ingat la.. their real competitor is their own ghost!
and also, last but not least, a not properly set guitar won't give you the best of your guitar sound... get this done! they will definitely contribute on your next pedal selection. it's about sound to your ears.. and also please, get rid of this attitute.... guitar mahal, amp mahal, pedal mahal but cables pakai cap ayam atau itik serati...
so by changing to this boutique or hot rodded pedal will make you and your guitar sounds heroic? i don't think so... improve, yes, a little maybe. magic?... no! because in the real world, they all are linked. it's a package. your amp, your guitar, your cable, your pedal, your music, your playing, your tone and most of all, yourself!
the feel and soul in you is something that is unpredictable.. no one can see that except god. ain't no mojo' here! but at least now you are more alert on how and why to get a good pedal for yourself next time when you are ready to do so... or something else that suits best for your needs and situation.
cheers!
woof!
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omarjamaludin |
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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good write up from the big dawg man himself!
thanks bro i'm sure ppl would find this educational...
*saya pakai roland mini cube je..sigh*
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radioflyer |
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: |
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myb SD1 MIT first batch akan masuk line kot! mod ape tube amp tarak lagi..hahahaha.. anyway..DS1 fookin bloody hell sound bro~ _________________ : Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air : |
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spiderfingers |
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Any advice on what pedals sound good through a solid state amp ?
And what good cheap tube amp to go for. |
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browndog2woof |
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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browndog2woof |
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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ultraman_cosmo |
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Wah ceta pedal!!!!
- cun.
- gua masih mabuk lemamg n ketupat lagi ne...
- kakakkakakaka.
Thank for great article. _________________ Maiden, loudness, ACDC, black sabath, deep purple, jimmi and vinnie moore
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spiderfingers |
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Does ceriatone cater for local market ? Their pricing seems very expensive even for basic models.
I was looking around rm 600-ish for a 5 watt amp in the bed room, preferably with effects loop.
Wonder if they do deliveries as well to other states. |
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ultraman_cosmo |
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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spiderfingers wrote: | Does ceriatone cater for local market ? Their pricing seems very expensive even for basic models.
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- sure dia jual local punya.
- pada gua ceriatone tak mahal cuma u hav to ask ur self, dah mampu ker belum mampu lagi.
- malah jauh lebih murah. Dia punya standard build bukan macam behringer. componen, wiring part semua memang terbaik.
- nak beli BMW takan nak mintak harga kancil.
- ceriatone memang DIY punya amp u call it clone or copy or what ever, BUT all the componen memang quality.
Quote: | I was looking around rm 600-ish for a 5 watt amp in the bed room, preferably with effects loop. |
- itu maybe the prizes for tube amp tranformer jer.
- dalam rm850 dah dapat satu champ... speaker kongsi jer mana mana amp dah boleh main. Sebenarnya harga 3 bijik pedal laaa.
- Gua sebenarnya tak mampu lagi beli tube amp, so aku hanya layak beli amp rosak dan repair balik.
Quote: | Wonder if they do deliveries as well to other states. |
- They do.
- worldwide shipping, aper sangat la kalo hantar kat ulu yam kakakak.
- cuma kita punya fikiran, selalu fikir local product sure tak cun.
Just kidding bro. _________________ Maiden, loudness, ACDC, black sabath, deep purple, jimmi and vinnie moore
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browndog2woof |
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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spiderfingers wrote: | Does ceriatone cater for local market ? Their pricing seems very expensive even for basic models.
I was looking around rm 600-ish for a 5 watt amp in the bed room, preferably with effects loop.
Wonder if they do deliveries as well to other states. |
he ships amps up to worldwide up to israel.. 30 - 40 amps weekly.. the cue is damn long.. his schedule is tight until mid of next year if there's no more new orders but i doubt that la bro...
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radioflyer |
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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teringin tgk market malay ni penoh ngan logo ceriatone!
kalo ade youtube version bahasa malay lagi gempak.
nk2 lagi orang yg explain tu mmg tau about those spec kt malay ni nk guna.
myb leh bukak mata sket budak2 macam aku ni nk2 lagi lh!!
myb dari those amp leh joining ke those mod@butik pedal sarung ke those high setup guitar.so we all budak2 ni leh le prepare budget minimum utk gear peribadi.ape2 pon.ialah menabung menjamin masa depan! hahahaha. _________________ : Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air : |
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ultraman_cosmo |
Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Pada pendapat gua,
- pedal hanyalah satu tambahan bagi aplication utk electric guitar.
- for sure there are no the best tapi mana yg sesuai utk anda.
- Cuma kesilapan kita adalah disebabkan kita kurang didedahkan kepada tone standard utk music music tertentu.
- Contohnya dalam ceta overdrive/distortion, kita susah nak besakan mana saturation signature utk blues, mana utk shred, mana plak utk solo, mana yg plak utk metal.
- ada tone sesuai utk single string, ada pulak solo.
- mana itu crunch, mana clean nyer, mana overdrive tone or mana crack nya.
- mana boogiee, mana plexi or mana brown nya.
- dan kesan effect ne banyak bergantung kepada pekara lain macam guitar, pickup and amplifier. Semestinya kita punya skill/play termasuk juga.
- Memang betul pun tone ne adalah kena betul pakage dia. aper guitar, style main, pedal dia, effect dia, dan amp dia... baru dia real.
- kita ambik contoh, low output pickup and high out pickup kesan nyer kepada DS-1 adalah berbeza.
- single coil vs humbuker pun lain sound dia kepada DS-1.
- even pada amp marshal, mesa or fender pun sound dia tak sama.
- malah speaker besar vs kecik pun lain dah respone dia.
- perbezaan bebenda lain selain pedal tersebut memang memeberikan perbezaan kepada eq pedal tersebut, gain pedal tersebut, even bebenda kat jari macam attack n dinamic, termasuk juga dia punya smooth juga berbeza.
- Utk pilih pedal yg sesuai memang kena test kat kita punya gear juga. Itu lah seadilnya. Kengkadang bila test pedal dengan instrument lain, gua alami sesukaran nak memahami range gain, boosting freq atau lebih tepat iyu pedal nyer caractor.
- Aku kalo ditanya, "Bang pedal A ne saya boleh beli kerrr?". wa jawab, "rambat jer",
- sebabnya kita takan tahu keberkesanan satu pedal tu selagi tak plug kepada gear kita.
- aku nyer telinga lebih kepada humbuker nyer tone, amat senang kalo nak compare tone dengan humbuker guitar.
- bila tang single coil [favorite woof], part ne gua masih merangkak lagi.
kata kita tengok pedal board beberapa artist, biasanya kita fikir kalo semua pakai itu pedal A, wahhh mesti itu pedal A memang gempak. Tapi kita kena consider juga aper music artist tu layan, aper amp dia sumbat, aper gutar pakai.
Aku ne memang giler mod pedal, pada gua mod pedal adalah satu cara gua mengenal tone. Macam kita beli guitarl, kalo setup nya sangat cun bunyi dia boleh meletup. Kalo setup dia fail, bunyi setakat bunyi guitar la juga. Sama macam pedal, kita panggil mod ne seakan akan kita tuniing the pedal. The sama circuit kita boleh customize ikut kesuaian gear kita yg lain.
Mod pedal.
- kebiasaannya la aku cenderung mod pedal ikut aper guitar nak guna.
- beza single coil dan humbuker macam langit dan bumi di telinga gua.
- Kita ambik contoh satu guitar dengan humbuker, kita perlu ballance kan freq respone pickup tersevut kepada pedal. Kalo kita let masuk terlalu banyak freq bass, maka muddy la guitar tu.
- kalo single coil plak, perlukah kita cut lagi bass sampai tinggal only mid n treble tone. Sure kering la ceta dia.
- Selain dari tu upgrade part or IC or sememangnya menyeronokan tapi kalo just dengar ada perbezaan tanpa kita tau aper kegunaan dan kelebihannya akan masing masing, ia kan jadi semacam useless.
- Ada pedal tak perlu tahap hifi baru nak sedap, tapi ada pedal yg sepatunya pada quality hifi baru la dikatakan bermutu.
Satu lagi.
- Sebenarnya kita perlu tranning telinga kita utk mengenali clean tone dahulu.
- maksudnya, kita kena belajar, bertanya apa kah clean tone yg hebat.
- pendek ceta, marshall nyer clean tone amacam, fender amacam, kepada guitar strat or humbuker maybe.
- bila dah faham caractor clean tersebut baru lah kita boleh bandingkan dengan dirty tone dari pedal kita.
- Once pedal tersebut erase bebenda sweet, attack, briliance or detail dari amp dan guitar kita, barulah kita katakan ada somthing wrong dengan pedal tersebut.
- aku sentiasa bandingkan clean tone amp vs dirty/effect tone pedal.
- tweak dan bandingkan dengan clean, sampai kita faham aper range sweet dan limit satu pedal tersebut.
- Cuma jangan GASSSS sangat la beli pedal ne. Pasal ini barang never ending story. Pedal bukannya overall nyer tone.
Just ingin berkongsi pengalaman sendiri akan pekara pekara tone ne. Tidak sesuai dijadikan standard ISO or British standard... kakkakaka.
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browndog2woof |
Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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cosmojojo.. my ally on pedals.... he he he!
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ultraman_cosmo |
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Kalo di bezakan vintage product dan modern la ne. Ada berapa pekara yg aku rasa boleh membezakannya.
Circuit vintage
- kebanyakan vintage nyer circuit design adalah simpoi, dimana stage cutting, boosting atau eq atau craft the signal adalah sikit. Maksudnya, tone diorang lebih raw.
- Dari segi tranparency, tone diorang kurang di warnai oleh circuit yg berbelit belit.
- maksudnya, tone yg kuar dari guitar tu lah yg akan kuar dari pedal cuma maybe ditambah gain, drive, effect.
- ciri tone asal dari guitar tak banyak berubah.
- disebabkan circuit yg terlalu simpoi, faktor faktor componen seperti jenis capasitor, ketepatan resistor, induktor, gain transistor even pot pun akan mempengaruhi overall sound.
- +ve ground utk fuzz ,wah n beberapa pedal yg gua tak ingat nama, adalah satu yg pelik tapi berkesan.
- boleh dikatan bunyi satu pedal vintage ne lebih kepada quality componennya.
- Tapi ia tidak semestinya sesuai utk anda.
- antara problem pedal vintage adalah tak boleh pakai adaptor, poping stwch, ground noise, humming,
- dari segi bunyi diorang lebih akustik macam bunyi semulajadi.
- kelebihan tranparency, sweet, akustik audio quality, dynamic, tak hifi, less high freq.
- Sebenarnya kebanyakan kelebihan pedal lama adalah disebabkan oleh ciri ciri kelemahan yg dimiliki oleh componen componennya. macam carbon comp resistor, paper oil capasitor, germinium transistor.
Circuit modern.
- circuit modern terlalu banyak bahagian, filter, cutting, voltage regulated khasnya utk ic digital memang merumitkan.
- satu benda yg kita kena faham, kebanyakan circuit modern terutamanya dengan digital signal prosesing, tone nya tidak di pengaruhi sangat oleh faktor luar seperti tone dan pickup guitar.
- lebih kurang macam, masuk la guitar aper, bunyi outputnya hampir sama.
- SMD componen biasanya digunakan utk design yg lebih compack. Sayangnya SMD componen ne kita boleh katakan tarak caractor bunyi.
- SMD componen sebenarnya lebih kepada computer nyer part dan bukan nya audio aplication.
- So boleh dikatan bunyi satu pedal modern ne lebih kepada circuitnya.
- antara kelemahanya, tiada dynamic dalam tone, gain yg terlalu linear, noise pada super high freq, voltage sensitif, part murah yg senang rosak, quality audio kurang jelas, ada interval, tak betul betul true bypass, payoh nak repair, pakai dan buang macam lampin.
- kelebihanya, lebih murah, fake dalam banyak segi, input/output yg low independent, Ada frameware update, sofware dan memacam lagi. _________________ Maiden, loudness, ACDC, black sabath, deep purple, jimmi and vinnie moore
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browndog2woof |
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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hah! dr. cosmojojo dah tiau smd circuit dah... habis la.. |
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