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| wiwit |
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| Jiro wrote: | hahah and thats why mixxing/tweaking is not a 5 minute job  hehehe |
yearghh...for me Mixing is the most important in 'digital recording'.....sometimes it must be 'over tweak' coz to find the better sound...byk kita buat,byk la kita dapat.....
-setuju lagi sekali utkmu jiro....kalo takat copy paste drum n guna preset yg ada kat AD sampai bila kita nak maju?
-Drumming program too mencabar bg aku....bukan senang....its totally base on ur click...bila click kita xdpt rasa feel n x rasa dynamics,quality n realibility of the instruments...thats why aku kata ianya penting...kalo bleh aku nak mix sampai org x bleh detect that aku guna sampler vst drum dari mana....
-kalo gitar,bg aku kalo kita main bagus, settings sound bagus dah tentulah outputnya bagus....lps tu just mix skit2 pon dah ok...impact dia x terlalu besar mcm drum programming...bila kita adjust room je totally sound overall drum dah berubah....kadang2 rasa sedih gak bila ada membe aku kata drum sound x penting dlm recording coz bende tue just rhythm section utk sesebuah lagu.....aku mmg x setuju.....
-ni just opinion aku je......yelah..lain org lain pandangannye.....aku pon baru 2 bulan main recording..byk lagi nak kene belajar dgn sifu2....hehe  |
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| Deck |
| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Kalau aku plak tak kisah pon kalau copy & paste & review tapi bukan bermakna just copy paste & review~
aku kopi & pes setting2 yang aku dah buat untuk drum misalnya..
maksudnya, setiap kopi & pes tu aku try banyak / different method dari segi compress, eq, automation & mastering...
so bila dah review, ada lah feedback. so daripada feedback tu, (-/+) bolehlah kita improve lagi. tanak lah jadi syok sendiri plak..dengar sendiri je sedap~
untuk drum vst ni, aku tak fix pada 1 sampler. kengkadang tuh, kick guna EZD, lain2 guna AD & vice versa.
that IMHO
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| Jiro |
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aku setuju dgn pandangan wiwit.. bagi aku drum is the like the main in my song... sebab macam guitar aku selalu ambil sedikit mudah dari drum sebab dia dah ada vsti macam aku guna pod farm atau gear box, so kita bole tweak kat situ sound macam mana kita nak yg bole suits dgn kita punya playing..dah jumpa baru record in 
but drum sampler, hehe part paling aku seronok buat, aku pernah buat kat synth track sonar tuh load sampai 3 4 EZD, just utk ambik snare vintage, kick nashville dan cymbal DFH.. tapi pc akan berat dan senang drop out..
aku dah try AD, satu malam aku tak tido dload huhuhu bole tahan, cuma nak kene biasa kan dan explore more utk guna, sebab aku dah biasa tweak EZD guna host daw..so macam AD dia dah siap ada kan..maybe agak terkial kial skit lar heheh
so apa pandang bagi org yg guna Superior 2 plak? any comment?
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| wiwit |
| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Deck wrote: |
so bila dah review, ada lah feedback. so daripada feedback tu, (-/+) bolehlah kita improve lagi. tanak lah jadi syok sendiri plak..dengar sendiri je sedap~
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btol tue.....feedback tue mmg pntng utk kita polished up apa2 yg patut....tp cmne plak kalo kita review songs pastu xde feedback??haha..... |
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| wiwit |
| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Jiro wrote: | kalau takda feedback tuh pepaham jer la...~
LARI~!!! |
tue la mslhnye....tp x bleh delete la....harap2 MOD tolong padamkan.... |
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| huzai |
| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| wiwit wrote: |
-setuju lagi sekali utkmu jiro....kalo takat copy paste drum n guna preset yg ada kat AD sampai bila kita nak maju?
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kalau copy paste preset dari pc orang plak kira maju ker? hahaha
lari!!!!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Mmg jelas different member ada style sendirinye . Ia sgt subjective kan...
but ku nak jelaskan skt pasal "Over Tweak". Apa mesaj yg cuba sampaikan ialah...
misalan kite ade kereta MyVi.... mcm mane kite modified, base rangka ia masih MyVi, cuma ia jadi...MyVi yg sgt sporty..menarik... or sebaliknye... Ia tak mungkin akan jadi Honda Civic.... sebab base rangka ia... amat berlainan... Imagine Myvi ngan 18" sport rim.... phaham2 aje le hehehe
So mmg x salah if we tweak.. but jgn misunderstand tone ia kan berubah to another drum set yg lain...
if u pakar tweak... u x mungkin akan over tweak.. sbb u tau apa yg sepatutnye di-tweak 
Tweaking and Changing the tone adalah 2 maksud yg sgt berbeza...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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silakan pihak seterusnya untuk menjawab pantun diatas...
jiro.. later please tweak my bullet to sounds like you LP ok? haha
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:06 am Post subject: |
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hahah sebenar nye dah ada salah faham sikit nih...
i am love to Tweak my EZD, and alhamdullilah i can see it day by day my drumm mixxing is getting better n better.. and i want it more and more, tuh yg cari sampai ke AD lak nih heheh
bryn what u say is right, but totally insane to over tweak is not necessary la kan hahahah but what if the "over tweaking" lead the end result to the sound u want?
correct or not? but to tweak u need to know la about it, kalau takat tutup mata pastuh tekan sana sini, insert ini itu, hehehe
beside yes, most part of my music, drum is the biggest part in it, loud drum, full room drum to ensure to cover alots of my cheap guitar playing. I hear alot of good guitar player do a good mixxing especially on guitar, synth and vst bass, but on their vst drum, seolah like open groove, drag in track, loop it, done..
bole Eternal hehehe nanti aku buat bullet kau jadi bunyi cam LP aku heheh ternyata LP aku sedap kan? hahaha
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Jiro wrote: |
bryn what u say is right, but totally insane to over tweak is not necessary la kan hahahah but what if the "over tweaking" lead the end result to the sound u want?
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Mmg x salah also... cox some creative member esp yg artistic ni... suke lain daripada yg lain... Ia sampai extend, its very digital... and consider its as an art. Hanye golongan minority yg appreciate it laa... yg lain2 critic le... biasa la kan...
So no right no wrong.... and NO RULES when it come to creativity... But just understand the best practices available, and compare our mixes with d commercially available for references.
Klau ala syok sendiri, hobbist.... who cares...
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| wiwit wrote: | | Jiro wrote: | | hahah and thats why mixxing/tweaking is not a 5 minute job hehehe |
yearghh...for me Mixing is the most important in 'digital recording'.....sometimes it must be 'over tweak' coz to find the better sound...byk kita buat,byk la kita dapat..... |
The notion that mixing is the most important aspect in making a record is DEAD WRONG.
GOOD RECORDING is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS the key to a good mix. Never the other way round. Every engineer worth his salt will say the EXACT same thing.
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| ETERNAL |
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good arguments going on here..
hopefully you guys understand each others explanation.. haha
so IMHO, as i agreed for one side..
good input recording always the key for a good final output for a song...
and i also agreed with another side stating a good mixing tweaking skills are necessary to create desired output. but even the output is what you have desired how it should be, doesnt mean it's a truly good output.
with these highly skills it just gonna makes your works easier.
but imagine with a good inputs & good tweaking, it would be less complicated, flexible & easier for you to work those mix and maybe the result is perfectly or even better than what you've desired.
maybe for me, when working & tweaking with any imperfect inputs, it is just a form/method of practice to improves our skills or even a challenge.
just a question: anyone knows how to tweak the guitar sounds for it to be damn good, if the guitar tunings was wrong in the first place?
Jiro: Imagine tweaking a VOX amp to reach your desired tone... LOL
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truly said, again, GOOD INPUT GOOD OUTPUT but im still agree mixxing is one of the most important part, especially to put mood or feel towards song you want with just only plugin as like me cant afford big gear or analog gear.
after all for bedroom recordist (who not going to any Audio Engineering School or any institute that related to it and a starter) better to start to try to mix like something that truly bad and make it being more nicer, as because to learning it for more detail and deep understanding just do try and error, if too much depending on good input and ure done, thats mean ure failed to be good mixxing engineer with understanding. whats the point of produce something perfect just once? and when u to be ask to do the same thing (maybe HHD burned out) u cant get the same result for the 2nd and the rest of your life?
If want to cut time especially for some engineer who doing business or got deadline should know Jedi advise very maturely as what he is saying is so right, even me sometime wish to get everything done perfectly just by the end I hit the magic R button.
about mood and feel as some people want the song to feel like 70's punk rock or maybe some mega 80's mix sound, or maybe sound like from vinyl or old mixtape, its personal creativity and sure u can tweak it in mixxing..
and pls ETERNAL dont remind me of that VOX amp anymore, i more get piss than pisser in public toilet.. seriously, its not i say VOX amp is not good, it just me cant get the relationship with him or her..
p/s: guys, we already OFF topic nih, what im asking is about drums vsti hahahahaha encik huzaiii bila nyee???~!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, this time aku akan tulis review from my own opinion about 3 drum vsti yg aku dah cuba, EZD, AD dan SD2
EZD @ EZ Drummer nih mmg aku dah lama sgt pakai, and dah biasa sgt with this plugin, for me its one of my very best and paling byk aku guna in my own songs and band song. Friendly usage, interface yg agak menarik dan mempunyai banyak expansion yg sgt sgt menjanji kan. Cuma EZD nih aku kategeri kan "you have to tweak drum vst", sebab kalau nak pakai terus from groove library dia pastuh groove clip looping kan dia macam tak puas, sound 16bit yg agak dengar macam midi (aku pernah argue dgn diri sendiri dgn mengatakan bahawa Guitar Pro nye RSE 5.0 lebih sedap dari EZD). Option tak banyak sgt, cuma dia banyak expansion macam vintage rock, eletronics, nashville, latin dan lain lain, cuma kau tak bole nak buat combo drum macam nak snare dari vintage tapi guna kat set rock kit. Bole buat, kau kene load banyak EZD kat synth rack kau, so bagi aku agak serabut kalau midi track kat host dah banyak sgt. Multi out yg bole di arrange nak guna stereo atau mono, very elegant option nih, Tapi overall aku bagi EZD nih mmg terbaik bila kita dah tau apa yg kita nak dan understand how to get it by tweaking and mixxing. Tapi kalau expecting macam nak drag and drop ke midi map dah terus sedap, bagi aku this so not suit for you.
AD @ Addictive Drum, wow, terkejut aku bila first time guna, snare dia yg lazat, sound yg agak nasty utk peminat punk music macam aku nih, aku rasa seronok, sounding room yg agak aku rasa macam akan mempermudah kan kerja aku. sound 24bit yg best. pastuh groove library dia lebih best dari EZD, bole buat combo drum sendiri, mean thru dia nye own interface kau bole nak set snare dari 70's ke set yang lain, individual in interface reverb and fx, tak perlu nak set kat host send fx but very limited idea on that lah. yang agak boring bila multi out dia for stereo depa sharing channel track, macam kick and snare dalam satu track, walau di beri option utk ke mono multi out aku rasa still acceptable, Very in to the mix, tak susah nak mix kan dgn instrument lain, tapi still in pandangan aku it not so suit for some certain of song concept. Sometimes sound dia bole jadi not realistic and very digitalize and static abit and ambil masa skit utk long time EZD macam aku utk tweak to fit in mood of my song. Overall dia load lagi laju dari EZD, ringan, and utk memana band buat record dgn aku for demo version or nak cepat siap aku bole guna AD for certain genre like punk or punk rock most probably.
SD2 @ Superior Drummer 2 aku rasa is the best choice of all, tapi vst nih tak bole berada di dalam Liga antara EZD dan AD sebab this is totally a new level of drum VST. Dgn menggunakan sepenuh 25gb of space, mmg berbaloi. Very indipendant and dependable. Bagi yg first time guna macam aku memula rasa cam kekok skit, especially bila di assign ke multi out, NY Avatar yg ada in and out channel which aku tak habes study lagi about this. Bole tweak individual percussion ,itu yg best. But for v2.2 ke bawah takda groove library atau midi library, so kene combine kan dengan EZplayer pro, or just upgrade ke v2.2. SOund dia sgt sgt promising. After 1 whole night bermain dgn vst nih, aku akan cakap this is the best and tak patut di compare kan dgn EZD dan AD. Berbaloi dgn harga dia gak.Overall, this is gonna be most to most drum vst i will use, very versatile dan puas hati. Cuma tak best nye makan space sampai 25gb, sedikit berat dgn CPU usage. dan loading dia mmg laju gila babas~!
still aku suka idea Huzai, record live micing lagi best, sebab kalau pakai edrum macam dm5 ke atau dm6 ke, pastu chain ke one of the vst kat atas tuh pun, still aku rasa better guna mouse dan susun kat drum map hehehe
so buat la pilihan anda
p/s:nak tunggu korang riview, tak habes argue je hahaha
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