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| IZZI |
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hmm aku tak ada masalah tu. Sebab aku punya playing goal bukan every note must be alternate picking.. so aku takde rasa bersalah kalau ada note yang aku slide or just hammering without picking.. goal aku cuma how to make melodi yg bermakna (which is still belum dapat dicapai sampai skrg).. depends on individu punya goal.
tp problem ko ni boleh diatasi kalau ko practice. As we know, selain dari start picking dgn Down-up-down why not ko practice start dgn up-Down-Up. Ada org yang main 3 notes per string and every string start with down picking. No problem. Practice make perfect so practice la sampai muntah heheheheh..
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Memula main guitar dulu aku guna style tibai picking. Pas tu try plak alternet picking. Sampai satu tahap alternate picking akan sampai speed limit dia pasal terlalu up down and up down nyebab jadi slow. Satu problem kalo terlalu turut alternet picking nyebabkan motion scaling jadi sepatern jer tiada variasi.
So aku try plak style picking alternatif + sweep[next string]. katalah triplet setiap satu tali.
down up down>[next string] down up down utk tu turun tali.
up down up>[next string] up down up utk naik tali.
last last guna jer stile aper pun janji petik tali bunyi... hahahah
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| Kozam |
| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| memang betul,banyak cara untuk picking, cara wan ngan farid is consider the right tecnique if only you got the sound right. Pada aku yang beru nak belajar ni, alternate picking drive you more dicipline , memang kita patut improvise, cuma aku rasa we have to go through so called 'schedule of learning guitar one by one'.dah jadi cam SOP |
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Kozam, apa hal pun kita start dgn basic. Dalam bab alternate picking, basicnya ialah note clarity, parallel left and right hand dan consistent. So start dgn speed yang dapat memuaskan ketiga2 syarat tu. kalau kita main laju, tapi note tak clear, so kita perlahankan sikit. Main dgn metronome. Buat sehari 2 jam pun cukup sampai la kita confidence main dgn tempo tu. Then baru upgrade speed tu.. start dgn 50bps. Untuk satu tempo tu buat 4/4, 8/4, triplet dan bla bla bla selagi boleh.. create lick sendiri atau main lick orang pun boleh.
Create picking pattern yang ko selesa, kalau ko selesa 3 notes per string, practice 3 notes per string. Ada org suka practice chromatic 4 notes per string.. so ikut yang ko suka. Kalau nko nak practice semua pun bagus. Basic pentatonic is 2 notes per string.
Bila practice scale, practice byk pattern dan location. Contohnya kalau main pentatonic, paling sikit, 5 location mesti kena tau.. baru boleh unlock neck tu bila solo. Wide location of scale penting bila nak solo secara impromtu dan untuk create melodi secara spontan masa jamming.. Kalau tak, solo kita sentiasa terkongkong dalam kotak scale tu dan tak ada variasi. Kita just dpt solo dgn run the scale ke atas ke bawah dan tak dapat create melodi yang berkesan..
So utk tempo 50bps tu mungkin makan masa lebih seminggu utk nko pecah2 kan pada byk bahagian.. aku pun still merangkak2 buat mcm ni.. Tp lately tak ada masa yg cukup even setengah jam pun utk main gitar. Batin aku terseksa betul. (Harap next month aku dah free sikit la..hehe)
Good luck!
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| MiN |
| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| ultraman_cosmo wrote: | Memula main guitar dulu aku guna style tibai picking. Pas tu try plak alternet picking. Sampai satu tahap alternate picking akan sampai speed limit dia pasal terlalu up down and up down nyebab jadi slow. Satu problem kalo terlalu turut alternet picking nyebabkan motion scaling jadi sepatern jer tiada variasi.
So aku try plak style picking alternatif + sweep[next string]. katalah triplet setiap satu tali.
down up down>[next string] down up down utk tu turun tali.
up down up>[next string] up down up utk naik tali.
last last guna jer stile aper pun janji petik tali bunyi... hahahah
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aku tak setuju kalau cakap alternate picking nyebabkan motion scalling pattern takde variasi. |
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| MiN |
| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| Kozam wrote: | | memang betul,banyak cara untuk picking, cara wan ngan farid is consider the right tecnique if only you got the sound right. Pada aku yang beru nak belajar ni, alternate picking drive you more dicipline , memang kita patut improvise, cuma aku rasa we have to go through so called 'schedule of learning guitar one by one'.dah jadi cam SOP |
pada pendapat aku....pelajarilah berapa byk teknik yg ko mampu....kerana bukan rugi pun tapi lebih menguntungkan.
you got more advaantage dari org yg tak pelajarinya. |
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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aku setuju dgn MiN, teknik merupakan tool utk ko express ko punya soul.. kalau ada soul tapi tak cukup tool utk meluahkan pun tak berkesan..
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| Erylasia |
| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| fReqZz |
| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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somehow.. for new guitarist mcm aku.. alternate picking mmg the way to disiplinkan diri.. kdg2 kalo dah konon2 terlaju.. dr up-down-up-down jd up-down-up-up-up-down-down pastu.. cabut cable, simpan gitar.. haha... x der motivasi aaarr...
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| MiN |
| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| IZZI wrote: | | aku setuju dgn MiN, teknik merupakan tool utk ko express ko punya soul.. kalau ada soul tapi tak cukup tool utk meluahkan pun tak berkesan.. |
yer....memang aku dah byk kali ckp kat ramai gitaris....teknik adalah advantage kita sebagai gitaris untuk mencapai matlamat kita. just imagine kalau joe satriani ataupun steve vai yg mempunyai byk creativity tapi kalau teknik dorang main macam BB king jer adakh mereka dpt capai matlamat untuk memainkan melodi yg ada pada mereka? tak mungkin kot sebab kurang teknik....
dari itu jgn la pandang rendah pada teknik kerana ia sebagai advantage kita sebagai gitaris. ada yg tak setuju? |
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| Kozam |
| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Aku setuju sgt....technique is a tool, soul is your expression/style. both are connected somehow when this two get real connected ,there is where you got your signature sound.
This is what distingiush all great guitarist, they hardly sound same. |
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| fReqZz |
| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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i cant call myself a guitarist yet.. no yet.. i guess, never will.. i think bout giving up sometime.. huu. pls god wake me..
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| Kozam |
| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| dont give up hope....in my experience....setiap teknik yang susah tu...actually ada rahsia nya too master...tanya ler master 2 kat sini...min ,wan ada |
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| cool |
| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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rahsianya ialah practise,practise,practise,practise.....practise.
no short-cut ----sorila bro semua,ttibee aku nyampuk----
aku pun bukan guitarist,bg aku term guitarist tu sesuai bg diorng yg main gitar yg tau&faham teori,chording perfect,scale modes dan ape semua2 tu khatamlaa....dan main bagus.
btw...neoclassical rules!!! buat byk2 lg lagu neoclassical kozam..hehe |
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| Kozam |
| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey ..thanx Mr. Cool...yeah right ..neo-classical rules..btw,symphonia is one of my favourite band in Malaysia, please ads when your guys playing, dying to see u perform.. |
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