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| GryMlock |
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| totziens |
| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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GryMlock...can u pls send me your details to my email too? Thanks.
What about your own band's participation? I love Call The Paramedics very much. I hope your members would like to be involved.
I've made up my mind to work on this project provided I can get the bands to participate. In fact I am impatient about it.
To tell you the truth I have a lot of uncertainty regarding a lot of things about this project. Once I got your info, I will contact all of you to discuss about them. The main headache involves $ i.e. how to get $ to pay this and that...how to share the money earned from the sales....I wish to be fair to everyone involved and try to prevent anyone from "rugi" in their investment....I'm also scared of offending people because of money issue (i.e. I cannot pay them sufficiently to cover their cost of recording).
At the moment I'm also not sure about cd pressing etc....the cost? who can do that? possibility of using CD-R...DIY method?
So, far I also don't have enough bands in my tray yet. Anyway, I think I need to settle a lot of issues (too many issues) before I can convince the bands to join....
To those who are interested, please do not hesitate to contact me.
To those who has ever recorded an album/EP/demo, could you pls tell me roughly how much it costs to perform the recording of 2 songs. Assuming the band is well prepared before going for recording and not wasting too much time in the studio recording nothing..or member quit during recording...etc. |
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| GryMlock |
| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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It's hard to convince bands to work with you if you don't have anything solid to offer. I really suggest u start building the network 1st.
can start with few bands who'd already have their demos or EPs out.
it's going to be lotsa work dude. no walk in the park thingy.
well u know what people say... for those who has less (money), they have to work extra hard!
btw.. your number 1 item on your to-do list will require a hologram for each CDs.
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| totziens |
| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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GryMlock, surprisingly it's easier for me to get bands which are interested to be part of the compilation album. Today itself, I got 3 bands including one from Indonesia. One of them has the songs ready...another one is working on new songs. So this album can act as a stepping stones for them. Well, I better don't bragg too much - next few months I may not get any bands.
The network part is tough. I admit that I am still trying hard to work on this. I need someone who has the experience to run all these to guide me. I can get people willing to help in distribution but I have not yet found a "superpower" to make sure things are running fine. |
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| GryMlock |
| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| afiqme |
| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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hi guys ... aku pun ade independent label jugak.. tapi mengarut2 punye jek la.. stakat nih 2 band under aku.. still dlm proses recording lagi... aku buat nih pun saje jek nak tolong band2 kat sini ... label aku nye studio gear boleh check kat sini - http://vicerock.nefirms.com ...
kat bawah nih contoh contract aku:
Artist Recording Contract
Agreement made as of the ______________ (days of week) ________________ (month) in the year _______________ (current year) between Vicerock Access, hereinafter referred to as the “company” and
_____________________________,
hereinafter referred to as the “artist”.
• The effectiveness of this Agreement shall commence with its execution by all of the parties, and shall continues thereafter for a period of 3 release records.
• Company hires Artist to render musical performances in the creation of Master Tapes suitable for commercial release on Records. All rights in and to Artist’s performances as embodied on said Master Tapes will belong to Company.
• Artist will not perform similar services for the purpose of making Master Tapes for release on Records for any other person or company for a period of one year from the date of release of the EP/LP made from master tapes delivered by Artist to Company under this contract.
• Artist must give full cooperation to Company, in good faith, in the process & production of the recording.
Production
1. Artist will produce the EP/LP by itself. All the cost will be paid by the artist itself.
a. First month of release = minimum 50 copies
b. Next other month = minimum 24 copies
2. Artist must give report every month to Company on how much copies have made that month.
3. Artist must release at least 3 months or 100 copies of records.
4. Artist must release at least one EP/LP in a year.
5. The records must be release within 1 month after the recording process completed.
6. Maximum number of songs in first record: 4 (long) & 8 (short song – less than 2 minutes)
7. Maximum number of songs in next record: 8 (long) & 15 (short song – less than 2 minutes)
Recording session & Mastering
1. Recording session will be held in Vicerock Access Studio.
2. Artist must book studio first at least one week before the recording session start.
3. Additional recording costs such as strings, guitar picks, CDR will be paid by Artist itself.
4. Any musical/recording gear broken made by the Artist during the recording session will be repair/replace by the Artist for not less than 2 months.
5. Recording process will be:
a. Track by track recording
b. Postproduction
c. Mastering
6. Artist must make sure the songs are full rehearsed and has to perform the songs to the Company first before proceeds to recording session.
7. Artist may do remastering of the records at any other person or company with the permission from the Company. All the mastering costs will be paid by the artist itself.
Graphics & Record cover
1. Company & Artist shall be jointly responsible for all decisions regarding the cover contents & graphics of the records.
2. The title of the records shall be chosen by agreement between Company & Artist.
3. Artist must include Company’s name (Vicerock Access) as the label, Company’s URL (http://vicerock.netfirms.com) as the label’s URL & Company’s studio name (Vicerock Studio) as the recorded & mixed place in the cover content on every record.
Promotions
1. Company has the right to use Artist’s name, image and song for Company or Artist promotion purpose.
Artist & Company rights
1. Artist will pay/give the following to Company for the rights granted and services rendered hereunder:
a. 50% copies every month of total release that month.
2. Company will pay/give the following to Artist for the rights granted and services rendered hereunder:
a. 50 flyers copies every month until the Artist stop release the records.
3. Artist may, at his election, record as a sideman for any other person or company in the creation of master tapes for other records, provided that Artist’s name and likeness do not appear on the resulting phonograph record album covers, or in any of the advertising for such other records.
4. For band, Company has the right to use Artist’s name & recruit new members for the band if the Artist (band)’s leader (who sign this contract) & other band members leave the band. But if only the leader leave, the other band members have the right to continue this band. This contract will automatically belong to the new band’s leader.
5. Company has the right to sell the release copies at any price less than RM10.
Others
1. Company will give one hour free for Artist to practice/jam at Vicerock Studio in every 2 week. For next hour, Artist will be charge RM15 per hour.
p/s: aku harap bende nih leh bagi idea skit2 utk ko nak bukak label.. hehe!!! label aku nih pun aku tak kisah org nak cakap aku poyo ke mengade2 ke nak bukak label pasal niat aku cume nak tolong band2 kat sini ... especially to those yg low budget... hehe!!
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| theFlyingElk |
| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:14 am Post subject: |
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totziens, ive emailed you. just a suggestion, since you are just starting up why dont you create a to do list at http://www.tadalist.com/ and make it public so that those interested in your project could see how it is progressing?
criedbaby, label mengarut2 kau cakap? agreement macam tuh??
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| totziens |
| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Actually I have a to do list in my log book at home. At the moment I am doing everything bits and pieces when I can. I certainly need help especially in terms of production and finding out the cost of every single item to release the CD (the cost of CD, CD cover, CD casing), how am I going to do them to save cost?, how this ...how that...too many HOWs. It's driving me crazy till I had nightmares/dreams for the past few days. Tidur tak nyenyak. I'll do as your suggestion this weekend.
Criedbaby, I don't mind forming a "network" with your label. Are you interested? Thanks for sharing the info of your label.
But for your info, the way I run this label is different from yours. There will be no contract and no control of anyone. I give total freedom to everyone. I don't want to control anyone..and neither do I want to be controlled (I have enough of this in my daily job). I try to give a deadline that will please everyone. I am doing this for the bands and if I can help to generate a bit of profit to my label and all the bands, that will be great. The most important thing of my intention is to satisfy my urge to help the scene and hope to cover the expenses of everyone involved - this is my first priority now. I have my own "idealogy" - I think I'll compile this and make it public too this weekend if possible. I am a small guy with a big ambition but I am not Napoleon.  I also welcome opened-communication. I will accept any criticism and I may change accordingly if necessary (I am in the process of learning...I am new in this industry and I am new in business) but I won't turn this into another typical commercial organisation - it must be done in indie/DIY style as much as possible. I think if someone from the commercial industry sees this....I think I could be a laughing stock. ...but I'll do it my way....
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| pali |
| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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take it easy man..
lets start with the foundation of the label. there's no need to figure out the operating procedure at this point yet. try to conceptualize thing's first. it's a business and every business needs a plan.
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| totziens |
| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I am trying to pull an old friend (ex-coursemate) into the label now. I cannot do all this alone - I'm not a superman.
Anyway, here's my to do list and "label "ideology":
http://totziens.tadalist.com/lists/public/37759
http://totziens.tadalist.com/lists/public/37754
I may add more as required when I have more time to think. Pls feel free to comment/criticise/suggest.
By the way, does anyone know whether there is a rule in Malaysia that the album needs to go through the government for censorshit ...I mean censorship...if we want to distribute to the general public in record stores? I am going to hate this. I hate censorshit.
GryMlock, I heard your band's songs. I like your drum and bass music very much. I think you should focus on instrumental - it's very good. I hate to admit that I don't fancy the vocal. Just an honest comment. I don't mean to offend anyone.
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| GryMlock |
| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, I agree with Pali.
and may I add...
Build your services based on what you have. Analyze it. if today you have 5 persons on your label, then work on methods that will work with 5 persons. expand as you go. little by little..bit by bit.
hey thanks for checking out the music. Since I'm not the one singing it.. I'm not offended at all haha.
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| totziens |
| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| afiqme |
| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| totziens wrote: | Criedbaby, I don't mind forming a "network" with your label. Are you interested? Thanks for sharing the info of your label.
But for your info, the way I run this label is different from yours. There will be no contract and no control of anyone. I give total freedom to everyone. I don't want to control anyone..and neither do I want to be controlled (I have enough of this in my daily job). I try to give a deadline that will please everyone. I am doing this for the bands and if I can help to generate a bit of profit to my label and all the bands, that will be great. The most important thing of my intention is to satisfy my urge to help the scene and hope to cover the expenses of everyone involved - this is my first priority now. I have my own "idealogy" - I think I'll compile this and make it public too this weekend if possible. I am a small guy with a big ambition but I am not Napoleon. I also welcome opened-communication. I will accept any criticism and I may change accordingly if necessary (I am in the process of learning...I am new in this industry and I am new in business) but I won't turn this into another typical commercial organisation - it must be done in indie/DIY style as much as possible. I think if someone from the commercial industry sees this....I think I could be a laughing stock. ...but I'll do it my way....
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Ok.. itu terpulang kat masing2 ... aku buat mcm tu pun pasal aku dah byk kena tipu/pijak dengan org lain ... mcm yg aku ckp... aku nak tolong band2 kat sini ... tapi kalau aku kasi diorang buat sesuke ati.. nak release bebile jek diorang suke.. then takde system ... nanti diorang tak learn ... aku sgt suke dgn kerjasama ... aku tolong band tuh.. then diorang akan tolong band diorang sendiri & dlm mase yg same diorang tolong promote label aku skali... hehe!! so bile dah ade contract ... isu2 tak puas hati susah nak timbul ... pasal everything dah clear dlm contract ... kalau agree sign.. kalau tak, tak payah sign .. aku buat pun utk elak masalah.. takde la nak ckp blakang2 lagi.. hehe!!!
aku amik 50% dari release die pun as a payback utk cost recording.. kire mcm aku dulukan duit recs... then diorang bayar dgn kasi aku CD... still aku kena work utk promote & jual CD diorang... kalau aku dok diam nanti aku tak dpt duit plak.. hehe!!! so still ade kerjasama kat situ... aku pun bukan label besar, modal besar... contact pun tak seberapa ... & aku manage label aku pun berdua je ... hehe!!!
p/s: aku sgt mengalu-alukan kalau ko nak bekerjasama dgn aku & sesiape yg nak membantu lagi label aku.. hehe!!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Criedbaby, I would be happy to work together with you. In fact I am looking for all the people involved in indie record label/distribution/gig organiser to form some kind of a "network".
I think there is no point for all the indie labels to look for their own distributors...look for their own CD pressing company...struggle on their own in promotion....etc. These are extra work for every label if we do individually. If we can share resource, then we can save cost, save time, save energy, etc and this allows the label to focus more on the product itself. For instance a label has a good distribution skill but no bands connection, another label may have a good connection with bands but lousy in distribution....if both of them work together they can do better in the market.
I know that my label is new in everything and lack of experience but I have the intention to form a good relationship with bands. I hope this will help in the underground music industry when I form an aliance with another indie label. |
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| afiqme |
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