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| GryMlock |
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| HuntressM00n |
| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| GryMlock wrote: | markah presentation = 95/100
markah perjuangan = 100/100
markah whoring = 200/100 |
apsal markah presentation rendah sangat
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| GryMlock |
| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Dufresne |
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| madhatter wrote: | | 1 lagi yg kureng ckit (ckit jer) gitar playing x nmpk real. Klau dia leh focus sikit bab2 yg detail ni, perfect! Xpa, minor jer tu. Budget sama kot. |
Sori, aku x agree dgn ko, skit pon x agree. The so-called minor details mcm tu la yg buat musical movie mcm Rock ni sucks. Come to think of it, almost all scenes yg ade melibatkan talent main instrument, suma nye x sync dgn muzik...not cool man... |
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| Dufresne |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Aku dah tgk movie ni, & nak cakap skit la, if u guys dont mind...
From the beginning up until the the moment when Zack starts to reminiscent the bout the past, that was my fav moment, it had Cameron Crowe written all over it; it looks sweet, but in fact it was something dreadful. Come to think of it, since i mention Crowe, i tend to think this movie had a direct referrence to Crowe's "Almost Famous" rather than "This is Spinal Tap", which i will go into later.
I think its much easier to discuss the weak part of the movie 1st; its much easier to do so, hehe...
The goofs; The plot of the story was set during the early 90's, not 80's. Paling awal pon, thn 90 la, since it was 15 yrs ago. In Msia 15 yrs ago, kids didnt wear stuff like that anymore, potong 1 markah kat situ...
2nd, musicality. Ok...some ppl might think that only ppl who plays guitar or music that actually know what the talents r doing. But what u see in Rock is not good, its so bad that even org2 x tau music pon can tell if the talents r doing it right or not. Even in Crossroads, when the Karate Kid beats Steve Vai, he actually 'plays' it just like the way Vai might have played it. That shows attention in details. This lack of musicality is all over the place. Potong byk markah kat situ...
I cant even conjure up an opinion about the woodpecker...  Dont get me started on that one...
A lot of the cinematography has a clear & direct influence from well known directors, which i think might be a waste since not many ppl will appreciate it...
Ok, kalo ade org ckp this movie is just like "Almost Famous", they're probably right. Tp kalo ade yg ckp mcm "This is Spinal Tap", they're probably right too. The thing is, it's actually a mixture of both; but a lot more of the Crowe flick. Like "Almost Famous", "Rock" shows how 'roker' used to do it; u get into their lives, their struggle to make it, their dilema, their predicament. Accompanied with the soundtrack that is the creme of the crop of the Msian rock scene. But "Almost Famous" did more than that; it represent the era. It got to the point that if u want to learn bout the 60's/70's rock era, watching "Almost Famous" is a must. I thought "Rock" might have done that; a musical drama that defines an era, & i have read somewhere that this movie will do something like that, but somehow i feel it just not quite there.
I dont mind kalo ade org sound aku ckp aku x supprotive to the local movie scene or whatever, im just stating my opinions...
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| ZiNK |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| cartman, eric |
| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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ok since everybody has profesionally made comments..
i'll keep my comments amature-ish... 
and bout the lack of attention to minor details...
i won't deny the fact that i enjoyed watchin the movie even though it's a malay movie... 
honestly i can say it's not your usual Yusof Haslam's Sembulu crap... 
thumbs up for a fresh storyline for a local movie, very far adrift from the normal malay movie storyline.
all in all , eventhough i enjoyed watching "Rock", i still think Malaysians haven't grown out of their "tida pa, kire cincai" attitude.
as proven in "Rock". it could've been better, a whole lot better for that matter of fact,
but i think in Malaysia, attention to details = budget
something that is really sad...
just my 2cents,
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| silbi |
| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Well, u guys are probably right...but for me, it's not a technical music movie...it's not about getting perfect note to note playing...the film is more about the 'feel' of the rock kapak era.
To be frank, i will only listen to reviews on this for those who'd lived through the period - because you can only 'feel' it if you've gone through it...which means that for me, i wouldnt really 'listen' to ppl who are below the age of 26 reviewing this movie simply because during the hype of the rock era in m'sia, i'm sure those in this younger age echelon would probably just a bit too young to comprehend what the fuss of rok music is all about...
i heard Rina 8tv's review on this in Malay Mail sometime back and she gave comments on the guitar playing as well...well, to me, she's just budak2...so i dont really bother...haha...She only started with rock via the Nirvana days, where guitar solo skills are not really required - so the feel u got from Nirvana and from the rock kapak era are totally different...so the weigh that she carried to review it is not there. But this is my opinion. (For the record, i absolutely love Nirvana's Bleach)
To add, even though i'm in my 30s - i would not also complain so much about the movie since i myself only managed to get the 'serpihan' of the rock period those days - since in the late 80s, i was only in my teens. Those who really gone through the period are those who are bit older than me - indeed Dr Bode and some other guys would qualify better on seeing if this movie had managed to hit the aura of rock kapak that it wanted to portray. (errr...not to say you guys are that old...haha)
As you'd probably seen in the earlier discussions about the movie here, those who are in their 30s now don't really bother about the technical music aspects of it because that defeated the whole point of enjoying the movie.
And if you've read some few published reviews on it by ppl who lived through the zaman, none of them really complained much because the dig the movie more as a nostalgic journey to them.
anyways...this is just my 0.02 sen outtake on it. Nobody is wrong or right. Appreciate all comments. Analysing is good. keep em coming! |
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| omarjamaludin |
| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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yeah..i think if they have bigger budget like 5-10 million then they can spend more time fine tuning the details..i heard the movie cost like 500k or something? maybe not more than 800k?
but i do still think that middle part is abit draggy though..a lil bit of editing here n there would do the trick
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| Farrisxs |
| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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hmm aku rasa aku la org paling lambat tengok movie ni.. baru malam tadi layan VCD... 
well personally, i give 6/10.. dunno la, something missing.. kurang kick.. ntah la, maybe aku expect something more interesting coz based on cerita kawan2 n review, dgr mcm best, tapi bila tengok, biase je..
maybe jugak pasal aku tak involved secara keseluruhan dlm era rock kapak tu (aku start dgr rock tahun '88 / '89 - masa tu baru darjah 5) so kurang terasa vibe dia? i dunno..
things can be improved (kalau ada budget lebih).. for eg: pondok telefon tu, kalau tak silap zaman 80's, patutnye pondok telefon yg kaler oren bentuk bulat tu kan? and then scene burung 3D tu, haiya bikin spoil la..
these minor details penting, beb! sbb mentality org mesia ni nak buat keje cincai je asal boleh untung... tu la masalah dia. masa main gitar tu, time solo, wife aku pon boleh komen "apsal dia main tak sama mcm lagu? mcm tipu je?" heh got what i mean?
and then aku tak sure la tapi sound yg aku dgr time dialog - kurang jelas.. so aku kurang paham jalan cerita dia sebenarnya.. hehe maybe sbb aku tgk vcd kot (ori beb). suara agak bassy so tak clear la, tak paham! kena rewind 2-3 kali baru paham.. then kena kuatkan volume time dialog, time music kena slow balik.. (actually, this applies to all malay movies, sbb diaorang overdubb balik dialog dia, kan?)
anyway, banyak aksi2 n gimik dlm movie ni yg aku boleh adapt utk show2 aku yg akan datang heheh..  rock u!! overall okay la utk hiburan masa lapang.. at least not another CINTA movie that sucks ass!!!
tapi sedih gak vocalist dia kena kick out of the band, and replaced by the enemy (mcm cerita ROCKSTAR starring Mark Walhberg).. ingatkan in the end amy tu masuk balik, rupanya sampai ke sudah Zul Kapan jd vocalist Rimba Bara.. n then guitarist Malaikat Maut punya gitar Dean tu cun seh, teruja aku (rasa mcm nak angkat sebijik)..
cilake ajeep, sempat jugak kutuk aku... tu kira ngumpat tu..
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| silbi |
| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: |
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zid...
any film kalu layan vcd mesti jadi tak best sikit...first and foremost, becoz the image n sound is much minimised, and the pic quality sucks big time...maybe if there's a dvd of it, it'd be so much better..
i bet i ud seen it on the big screen, u'd probably give a tad better ratings for it...
scene liquid paper tu memang aku respect...gelak gilos aku time tu...
anyways...do try and tgk Garasi bila vcd keluar nanti...this film pakai real musicians first than actois...tapi music takde lah solo molo...but overall the feeling of a struggling garage band is there...
but as usual...kalau layan vcd sure kureng best sikit..haha..
rok uuu... |
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| cartman, eric |
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| silbi wrote: |
scene liquid paper tu memang aku respect...gelak gilos aku time tu... |
+1 bro...
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| totziens |
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I watched the movie last night (31 Oct 2006), I guess I am very late to discover this movie. I'm surprised to see this thread about the movie today right here. Actually, I watched 2 channels at the same time. So I missed some scenes i.e. the liquid paper one widely mentioned here.
I think the movie has a very good idea to focus on the rock kapak era. It was a big thing during 80s and 90s. I still remember the Malay boys in my school would be punished by the disipline teacher for wearing pants which are too tight, wherelse the Chinese boys would be punished for wearing baggy pants (both extreme cases - too tight and too baggy..it's funny..haha). I think there are some Malay movies with great ideas but they spoiled the movies eventually with various issues i.e. to fulfill the censorship board, lack of budget, story sucks, cheap jokes, etc. I think we could make a very good movie about our country especially during World War 2 during Japanese occupation, the fight with the communists, the pre-war era, etc if someone could do it well.
Back to the original topic. I think the woodpecker scene sucks big time. I don't even know the purpose of the scene. I am still wondering whether the scene is trying to show how the guitarist can beat the pace of woodpecking or what.... the ending of that scene seems to have no conclusion. I think it's meaningless. The bird is unnatural and looks like it's coming from the movie, Flintstone.
I enjoyed the Malaikat Maut band with smoke coming out from the jacket. They remind me of thrash metal band from those era....not a part of rock kapak. Very sinister and evil looking....very cool.
Hope someone will do a remake of the movie and improve it. It's meaningful to those who have lived through those era. |
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| silbi |
| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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the liquid paper scene was in the earlier part of the movie...i'm sure some kids nowadays had no idea about what the scene is all about...haha...
it's one fine movie but as usual, some flaws ruined it a bit (esp on the lip synching part)...but with finer execution it could have been one helluva cult movie...
still, at least somebody did it. And the film made me smile throughout...terkenang semasa dulu..hehe |
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