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| adzakael |
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i did compare the kampung ppl ngan european city dwellers
org kampung mmg ramai jd petani
tp european city ppl tu ramai keje petani jugak ke?
yet both of them hv similar lifestyle
it is achievable,nak atau x nak aje
kata nak jd rakyat maju,tp kenapa lifestyle yg positif camni x nak ikut?
aku ingat lagi
15 tahun lps govt. dah issue statement
org mesia guna energy terlampau bnyk sampai janakuasa x leh nak tanggung
at that time energy sgt murah so we took it for granted
sampaikan kite betul2 dependent dgn penggunaan tenaga yg bnyk
so bile harga energy naik kite gelabah,mcm org bertongkat hilang tongkatnye
private sector pun play their part in bad urban planning
tak percaya ko pegi tgk ekspo perumahan
tgk betul2 camne diorng buat urban planning
volume =high efficiency= 0
aku sentiasa oppose inefficient planning masa keje jd developer dulu
yet it was profit that became their aim,where high volume means higher profit,itu yg bikin green space dlm 5% to 10% from the total planning.
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| Scumgrief |
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| adzakael wrote: | i did compare the kampung ppl ngan european city dwellers
org kampung mmg ramai jd petani
tp european city ppl tu ramai keje petani jugak ke?
yet both of them hv similar lifestyle
it is achievable,nak atau x nak aje
kata nak jd rakyat maju,tp kenapa lifestyle yg positif camni x nak ikut?
aku ingat lagi
15 tahun lps govt. dah issue statement
org mesia guna energy terlampau bnyk sampai janakuasa x leh nak tanggung
at that time energy sgt murah so we took it for granted
sampaikan kite betul2 dependent dgn penggunaan tenaga yg bnyk
so bile harga energy naik kite gelabah,mcm org bertongkat hilang tongkatnye
private sector pun play their part in bad urban planning
tak percaya ko pegi tgk ekspo perumahan
tgk betul2 camne diorng buat urban planning
volume =high efficiency= 0
aku sentiasa oppose inefficient planning masa keje jd developer dulu
yet it was profit that became their aim,where high volume means higher profit,itu yg bikin green space dlm 5% to 10% from the total planning. |
Siapa yang luluskan projek-projek ni kalau bukan kerajaan?
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| adzakael |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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kerajaan cume akan meluluskannya atas satu faktor
sleagi ia follow bylaw,selagi tu mmg bole buat
selagi kilang buat dlm area kilang,kediaman dlm plot kediaman
selagi ade setback dan certain distance dr jln
selagi ade cukup jln utk fire engine masuk etc etc etc
selagi tu lulus la
yg set konsep,policy sumer tu adelah private sector
govt tak kisah ko nak go green or maximum density
as long as u follow the code (at least to the minimum)
masa kitorang submit drawings for local govt review,diorng cume akan tanye "ni setback berape?" "taman permainan ade ke x?" "lori sampah lalu mane?" "parapet wall kat mane?" "flat roof ke pitched roof?"
sumer ikut mmg bole lulus la utk dibina
diorng x kan tanye "ni kenapa Corbusier sgt ko nye planning ni? or "Gile planning ko cara Parisian Boulevard".itu terserah pd yg mendesign je.
kalau ko nye planning lagi green,diorng lg happy nak luluskan.Masalah kat pelabur persendirian la,diorng nak untung bnyk dan cepat.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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ha.. kan bagus kalau boleh bincang cara hikmah.. takyah flame2.. baru dekat sikit dengan status mentaliti maju..
2 sen:
aku mmg sokong kalau pasal bab efficiency, greener environment. Kalau makan kat rumah or kedai, aku tak pernah biarkan nasi or lauk tak habis bersepah2 dlm pinggan.. pasal itu membazir... and aku heran orang yang minum baru sekerat gelas, then blah pegi bayar ...and chow terus.. what a waste... itu sikap yang 'lemak'.. dah beberapa tahun aku tak buang sampah merata2..(cuma aku nak apologise pasal kadang puntung rokok ada la 'terbuang' merata- and aku harap suatu hari ianya bio-degradable dengan cepat ataupun aku ni yg berhenti smoking).
dalam bab minyak, aku rasa public faham kalau kita terpaksa bayar pada harga patut.. tak kira la harga patut tu RM4 ke, RM2.70ke ata RM1.92 ke.. asalkan harganya patut... istilah "patut" ni kena huraikan sikit..kalau negara yang takde lansung minyak, memang patut pun mahal.. tapi kalau dah natural resources kt negara sendiri, patut rakyat negara tu dapat la sikit privilege.. ada yang kata kos per barrel carigali minyak $30. Idris Jala of MAS pun cakap macam tu.. yang jadi minyak tinggi ni pasal commodity/futures price manipulation.. jadi aku takut ada pihak2 yang berkenaan/berkuasa(we all know who) ambil kesempatan daripada situasi ini.
Banyak yang kata alasan yang betul, baik dan berguna sedang digunakan untuk menutup perbuatan rakus sebegini..contohnya, "kita kena ubah cara hidup, kita kena pandai berjimat, kita kena faham yg kerajaan tak larat nak tanggung subsidi..(aku tak suka subsidi jugak.. ianya macam stamp status satu bangsa tu sebagai taraf/kasta rendah).
Tapi ada juga kata subsidi tu kalau kita tak panggil subsidi tapi facilities.. ianya jadi lain (contohnya tak payah la toll mahal2, cukup untuk cover maintenance, operation etc.. ni tak, nak untung sampai ratus2 juta..and aku hairan macamana dekat sesetengah negara highway nya toll-free?.. one must be highway to hell and the other is stairway to heaven 
Aku pegi keje pakai moto je.. dah dekat 11 tahun la..aku ada kereta buruk tapi aku guna bila perlu jer.. kadang2 aku pegi jam pun effect, gitar angkut pakai moto jer.. senang parking, jimat masa, duit etc.
ada orang tanya kenapa harga padi tak naik tapi harga beras naik banyak sangat ? orang yang dapat untung ialah orang yang tak pernah jejakkan kaki kat sawah padi.. petani masih miskin juga..this is fact from rancangan TV3, 360 degrees ke apa ntah.. pastuh sejarah dulu2 yang BERNAS beriya2 nak tutup kilang2 padi kecik kat kampung2...and they succeded...
So kalau pasal whining, tak semestinya orang yang whine and mengeluh tu dok saja tak buat apa, makan suap, asyik merungut je.. ada yang mengeluh, komplen, tapi maybe dia juga seorang yang bekerja kuat daripada kita semua, just setakat tu je la.. after all the nature of representation in this forum is through alphabets, letters and sentences and phrases.. kita hidup bermasyarakat, nak tak nak kena depend on others jugak and vice versa... jadi kalau one group nak maju tapi others yang menjadi penghalang, dia jadi lambat.. kita nak jimat, nak naik bas, tapi tengok2 bas pun tak cekap, mahal, asap hitam macam sotong... and bila cakap pasal infrastructure, itu government teritorry.. kita ada kuasa takat buang undi je.. kenalah government tu efficient...itu baru bab transportation. Bab2 lain samalah juga ...
My friends are developing some research for bio-diesel... needs a lot of help in term of financial.. naik-turun bank tak dapat2 pasal takde kroni...semua benda yang bank nak diorang dah buat until the last stage ..tapi last2 geng2 'level 4' datang nak tolong dengan syarat 51% of the company's stake diorang punya.. so?..
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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hey...that's the government we chosed...so we are all aaaaagreeeeeddd rite!     
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| poundcake wrote: |
My friends are developing some research for bio-diesel... needs a lot of help in term of financial.. naik-turun bank tak dapat2 pasal takde kroni...semua benda yang bank nak diorang dah buat until the last stage ..tapi last2 geng2 'level 4' datang nak tolong dengan syarat 51% of the company's stake diorang punya.. so?.. |
I rest my case... farking KJ and friends la tuuuu..... |
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| adzakael |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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actually ape yg kite bole buat skarang
kite lobi for green policy dlm pelbagai sektor
kite kena desak kerajaan utk menguatkan lagi ape2 green policy yg ade
dan show the private sector that the market trend in malaysia is towards green technology and sustainability
if we really want to show ppl's power
we need to show it to the right ppl
and in a Keynesian economic country mcm Malaysia
its both govt. and private sector yg kita patut deal with.
if KJ is the problem
then we must remove him from whatever position he is in now.
tell him that we don't like his method
(in fact there are so many Umno ppl who hated KJ,pelik gak why Pak Habib sokong dia tak ingat punye)
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | and aku hairan macamana dekat sesetengah negara highway nya toll-free?.. |
bile period konsesi dah tamat,highway tu jd free la
kite pon ade gak highway yg dah x de tol
(siap buat celebration lagi few years ago mase tol booth kat higway tu ditutup)
benda ni sumer same je prosesnye
satu dunia pakai
what i would love Malaysia to have Autobahn standard punye highway yg selamat dan efisien
tp ye la,sumer tu pakai duit jugak kan
most of the money nak kena channel kat macam2 subsidi
tp aneh,Hitler bole buat Autobahn dlm keadaan hyper-inflation.
aku tgh piki camne nak remove KJ dr Umno ni...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Bro, kat Thailand (contoh, bukan nak compare, ) diorang tak de dalam kamus perkataan konsesi, buat highway takde toll terus..it's like a government responsibility which is chosen by rakyat via democracy process.. giving back to the rakyat.. in fact kalau diorang nak berniaga bubuh toll kat highway tu and then crunch some numbers kat atas financial statement supaya konsesi tamat pada 2100 pun boleh...
kalau pak habib sokong sangat tu means that ada la kepentingan tu.. huge stake la... simple la tu..
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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well like i said before
we are a Keynesian economic nation
(nasib baik tak pakai Smith's economic,kalu tak mmg mati kelaparan kite semua)
so govt bole choose nak divert the funding to subsidize which sector
so the Thais chooses to built free highway,thats their approach
kite punye approach lain
kat ostrelia ambulan ngan bomba kena bayar (mahal pulak tu)
kite tak payah byr sampai org abuse the service lagi
aku happy minyak naik hari ni in part sbb aku sedar reserve minyak kita dah nak habis
yes ppl say petronas tgh bukak oil field baru,yet its not renewable dan tetap akan habis jugak sooner or later
i see this should be the point of revolution in our lifestyle
kite kena create satu budaya kehidupan yg efisien pd hari ni
supaya esok cucu cicit kita tak terbeban dgn masalah penggunaan tenaga.
in the future,the crisis might not be about the price but about the supply yg mmg tinggal sikit,tak cukup or takde
so better now kite suffer for a while dekat harga agar ia boleh ubah how things work at Malaysia
i would divert the fuel subsidy to other area yg semua org betul bole rasa (ada keter xde keter,miskin atau kaya)
-food
-healthcare
-education
kite mintak subsidi hari ni sbb kita rasa kite bnyk produce minyak
bila minyak habis,subsidi x de,duit pon x de
in the end kite akan hancur psl kite x leh adapt to this situation
so kalu kite still nak subsidi even after oil dah depleted
kite kena jadi trading nation yg sgt berpengaruh dan kuat.
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| adzakael wrote: | kerajaan cume akan meluluskannya atas satu faktor
sleagi ia follow bylaw,selagi tu mmg bole buat
selagi kilang buat dlm area kilang,kediaman dlm plot kediaman
selagi ade setback dan certain distance dr jln
selagi ade cukup jln utk fire engine masuk etc etc etc
selagi tu lulus la
yg set konsep,policy sumer tu adelah private sector
govt tak kisah ko nak go green or maximum density
as long as u follow the code (at least to the minimum)
masa kitorang submit drawings for local govt review,diorng cume akan tanye "ni setback berape?" "taman permainan ade ke x?" "lori sampah lalu mane?" "parapet wall kat mane?" "flat roof ke pitched roof?"
sumer ikut mmg bole lulus la utk dibina
diorng x kan tanye "ni kenapa Corbusier sgt ko nye planning ni? or "Gile planning ko cara Parisian Boulevard".itu terserah pd yg mendesign je.
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So that only confirms what I said, our government is irresponsible... They should raise the specification up to standards lah... kalau main cukup-cukup je... sendiri mau paham la...
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| adzakael wrote: |
i would divert the fuel subsidy to other area yg semua org betul bole rasa (ada keter xde keter,miskin atau kaya)
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Masalahnya our government is not even doing that. Yang dapat subsidi sampai 26 billion ringgit is the IPPs... our electricity tarriffs is going up by 20% also in july...
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| catman wrote: | | hey...that's the government we chosed...so we are all aaaaagreeeeeddd rite! |
That's not the government I chose... 
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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the uniform building by law yg kite pakai ni ikut UK punye standard
nak upgrade the standard diorng kena tgk if org lain punye standard workable
and that alone will take around 10 years to be approved
usually kite akan tgk negara lain (mcm ostrelia)
pastu kite akan study if their standard berjaya improve living standard of the people
sbb utk kite buat eksperimen sendri,makan bnyk gile funding
so we rather see others success baru kite implement the same thing into our bylaw
ye la,duit bnyk divert pegi subsidi minyak
camne nak funding eksperiment skala besar camtu kan?
satu lg reason yg sll aku dapat
"oh awak takleh design rumah macam ni,nanti org x nak beli"
private or govt. client same je alasan diorng
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| adzakael wrote: | the uniform building by law yg kite pakai ni ikut UK punye standard
nak upgrade the standard diorng kena tgk if org lain punye standard workable
and that alone will take around 10 years to be approved
usually kite akan tgk negara lain (mcm ostrelia)
pastu kite akan study if their standard berjaya improve living standard of the people
sbb utk kite buat eksperimen sendri,makan bnyk gile funding
so we rather see others success baru kite implement the same thing into our bylaw
ye la,duit bnyk divert pegi subsidi minyak
camne nak funding eksperiment skala besar camtu kan?
satu lg reason yg sll aku dapat
"oh awak takleh design rumah macam ni,nanti org x nak beli"
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So you do agree la, government is to blame for bad town + infrastructure planning?
During the 90's issue pasal subsidi ni tak pernah timbul. Why? Sebab takde subsidi. Petronas untung berbilion-bilion ringgit. Kenapa masa tu tak buat apa-apa perancangan bandar sebegini? Kalau diorang perlu experimen, then so be it. Duit bersepah, but it is mismanaged by the government.
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