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| adzakael |
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all three parties are to be blamed - govt,private and consumer.
govt and private will only do whatever the ppl demand
in this case,ppl wanted urban planning yg memudahkan mereka berkenderaan
kalau tak diorng x nak beli rumah area tu
(sbb x de parking lot ke,jln kecik sgt ke)
the private sector pon x nak invest on other planning options
mcm aku ckp la,nak untung lebih so cost kena la minimal
despite we can go vertical to accomodate 800 unit of houses with a huge public park,the developer wanted a smaller park so bole cut cost dekat elevator (a unit of elevator is not cheap)
and this attitude melarat sampai ke govt urban planning unit
the people created demands
demands created trends
private sector need to adapt to the trends in order to survive
yet the govt. will need to impose some regulation so that there will be no ppl victimised by the trends
and govt. need to get the bylaws that are proven to be effective in dealing with this trend
tu yg diorng pegi amik UK standard,sbb x cukup funding nak buat eksperimen sendri
nak buat camne eksperimen sendri kalau the people mengharap subsidi all the time?
nak buat camne RnD kalau rakyat nak subsidi utk semua benda all the time?Kalau camtu baik aku duduk kat dlm kerajaan komunis,semua benda jd hakmilik negara.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Scumgrief wrote: | | adzakael wrote: | the uniform building by law yg kite pakai ni ikut UK punye standard
nak upgrade the standard diorng kena tgk if org lain punye standard workable
and that alone will take around 10 years to be approved
usually kite akan tgk negara lain (mcm ostrelia)
pastu kite akan study if their standard berjaya improve living standard of the people
sbb utk kite buat eksperimen sendri,makan bnyk gile funding
so we rather see others success baru kite implement the same thing into our bylaw
ye la,duit bnyk divert pegi subsidi minyak
camne nak funding eksperiment skala besar camtu kan?
satu lg reason yg sll aku dapat
"oh awak takleh design rumah macam ni,nanti org x nak beli"
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So you do agree la, government is to blame for bad town + infrastructure planning?
During the 90's issue pasal subsidi ni tak pernah timbul. Why? Sebab takde subsidi. Petronas untung berbilion-bilion ringgit. Kenapa masa tu tak buat apa-apa perancangan bandar sebegini? Kalau diorang perlu experimen, then so be it. Duit bersepah, but it is mismanaged by the government.
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Subsidi? Rakyat? Planning? Green? Economy?
When you got all the money flowing into your pocket... nothing more to care about... 
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | aku happy minyak naik hari ni in part sbb aku sedar reserve minyak kita dah nak habis |
tapi semalam tgk tv (wawancara RTM dgn Dato' Shahrir Samad, Menteri KPDHN, (betul tak abbrev. tu...) dia kata reserve kita akan habis by 2013.. tapi pagi tadi baca The STAR, Datuk Hassan Merican (PETRONAS) kata Petronas kena bayar apa subsidy ntah till 2022... (THe STAR, Friday 6th June 2008, Starbiz section, page B3)
tak de pulak pasal concern minyak nak habis pada tahun 2013.. confused.. these are two contra statements made by pihak berkuasa..
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| adzakael |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/6/6/business/21477319&sec=business
| Quote: | KUALA LUMPUR: Petroliam Nasional Bhd (Petronas) will pay about RM88bil less in gas subsidies over the next 22 years following the hike in prices of gas supplied to power producers and certain commercial users.
Based on current prices and consumption, the gas subsidy up to 2022 is expected to amount to RM163.3bil. Petronas’ savings from the revision in pricing is likely to result in an extra RM3.1bil in additional taxes next year.
“Under the previous regulated fixed-priced environment, Petronas would be paying RM252bil in gas subsidy over the next 22 years,” president Tan Sri Hassan Merican told a press briefing yesterday.
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oil reserve ngan gas subsidy tu adelah 2 benda berbeza meskipun berkait
kite mmg tinggal sampai 2013 je (according to the most current oil reserve la) yet Petronas kena bayar subsidi sampai 2022 sbb that was the deal dgn govt.mane diorng korek lps tu,mungkin kat ultra deep oil well dlm negara or kat luar negara.
whatever it is,kita cume ade 5 tahun je lg utk adapt our life into this new situation.After that,when kita betul2 kering (even kalau kita dig kat ultra deep oil well which makes the cost go even higher) kita at least dah cukup bersedia.
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| Scumgrief |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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the fact is, the government failed to act when it truly mattered. The people didn't create this mess. Our leaders failed to lead the country. They failed to have our resources managed efficiently. The failed to make sure the urban area is planned properly. If you sir, try to even argue that this is untrue, all I can say is, you are truly blind. Keep on supporting the blood suckers, who knows one day you can join them, sucking the country dry of her resources. 
Edit: in retrospect, the people did create this mess, by voting the same assholes into the office for the past 50 years...
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| adzakael |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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is it?
the architects,academics and their students have been talking about this issue to the ppl and the govt since decades ago.
and i hv to blame the ppl for their ignorance,too.
When a friend of mine,an architect,proposes for an environmentaly friendly development in Subang Jaya,the ppl objected.so they held a meeting between the stakeholders (MBSJ,consultants and residents).It was the biggest public conference of that kind of that year (2006 )
that friend of mine have explained the concept of the development and how it will help making the Subangites life better but the ppl ignore him.Eventough the concept of the development hv deep consideration of the ppl's well-being,the ppl don't want that change.
in the end,the proposal was scrapped in favour of the people.
if i can,i will show u the proposal here.
when discussing about this i hv to bring up the setinggan issue.Clearly whatever happened in Berembang shows that some ppl don't want to change their lifestyle to the better.They wanted to live in squatter area that is clearly not safe (which has clearly violated many UBBL codes) instead of living in 3 bedrooms public housing that is much better.
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masa aku start bergaul dgn geng2 indie ngan underground,satu benda aku belajar adalah punk attitude,also known as anarchy.attitude dimana kalau kita nak buat sesuatu kita tak perlu tunggu approval dari mana2 authority.tak perlu ade leader utk melaksanakan sebuah pergerakan.kalau rasa nak buat gig buat la,nak buat zine buatla,tak perlu tunggu approval even from fellow punksters.berdasarkan that spirit jugak aku buat bnyk benda termasukla zine dan projek alam sekitar (tak perlu tunggu YB rasmikan,aku ckp kat org2 yg terlibat) and with that same spirit jugak la aku pegi fight on behalf budak indie yg kena tangkap time kes Black Metal dulu.
but now,how i am dissappointed to see some people here are waiting for the govt. to do many things for them walhal benda2 tu bole pikir sendri,common sense.Sungai kotor penuh sampah,walaupon boleh gotong-royong sama2 sekampung bersihkan tp org tetap pilih utk govt. yg bersihkan.semak samun tepi rumah,walaupun bole at least sendri upahkan org utk bersihkan tp still nak tunggu kerajaan bertindak (walhal dak 2-3 org kena rogol dlm semak tu).Anak nakal kat sekolah,instead of kita yg tlg disiplinkan kite bg that task 100% kat govt servants (cikgu).
harga makanan naik turun,sebenarnye konsumer bole kontrol jugak tp instead of that kite choose to wait for govt. action.
apa2 benda yg kite piki bole kontrol,kita sama2 yg kontrol.Benda2 yg kite tak bole nak kontrol baru kite bg govt handlekan.
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| OneMB |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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aku setuju dengan adzakael
jgn harap sangat keuntungan petronas
takkan semua nak suruh minta petronas suap
patut tak payah pun kasi subsidi minyak tu tp kerajaan masih bg gak
bukan kerajaan sekarang ni tak membantu langsung
it's up to government utk tentukan berape yg perlu diberi
kalau nak diseleweng, ramai org dalam petronas yg akan perasan
bukan semua org dlm petronas tu pun pro kerajaan atau suke duit haram
sekali dapat bukti sebar kat net, masak, x de pun bukti˛ kena seleweng
off topic:
aku tengok aktivis luar negara pakai kenderaan diesel
gune sisa minyak sayur yang byk restoran dgn hotel buang
minyak tu ditapis dan dijadikan minyak enjin diesel
inspiring, 90% efficient dibanding dgn minyak diesel yg betul
entah ade entah tidak aktivis yg mcm ni kat malaysia |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Oklah, kita start dari sekarang untuk bergotong-royong, why stop at cleaning our longkangs and rivers, let's rebuild KL!!!!
JOM I-banders semua kita gotong royong bina jalan, sekolah, klinik hospital bank semua bagai...
Walaupun kita semua dah bayar INCOME TAX untuk pastikan semua kemudahan ni disediakan oleh kerajaan, mari kita semua bina semula Kuala Lumpur bersama-sama...
Seriously though, now you are just making yourself look dumb... and I am done. My IQ is dropping by the second as long as I am reading your pointless and inane responses...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| OneMB wrote: |
kalau nak diseleweng, ramai org dalam petronas yg akan perasan
bukan semua org dlm petronas tu pun pro kerajaan atau suke duit haram
sekali dapat bukti sebar kat net, masak, x de pun bukti˛ kena seleweng
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Then make Petronas accounts public. As of now, Petronas is only answerable to the PM, not even the Parliament can touch them. They were voted the most unethical oil company back in 2006 if i am not mistaken.
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aku tengok aktivis luar negara pakai kenderaan diesel
gune sisa minyak sayur yang byk restoran dgn hotel buang
minyak tu ditapis dan dijadikan minyak enjin diesel
inspiring, 90% efficient dibanding dgn minyak diesel yg betul
entah ade entah tidak aktivis yg mcm ni kat malaysia |
Kalo ko baca thread ni from start to finish, you'll find your answer.
NOW I am done...
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| OneMB |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Scumgrief wrote: |
Kalo ko baca thread ni from start to finish, you'll find your answer.
NOW I am done... |
poundcake punye kawan naik turun bank nak buat research pasal biodiesel,
yg aku bagi tau gune sisa minyak masak utk jadi biodiesel,
tak perlu buat r n d, tapis je sisa minyak sayur tu,
tuang dalam kenderaan enjin diesel, walla,
geram aku tengok setiap kali benda ni keluar kat tv,
terfikir lak aku, macam mane kat negara dunia ke 3 yang tak hasil minyak,
duduk kat malaysia ni kire macam bonus la jugak sbb ade hasil minyak,
dapat subsidi sikit pun jadi la, dari tak dapat langsung,
jgn marah aku, ni cume pendapat aku. |
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| adzakael |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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well good for u
tp aneh gak,aku perasan satu positive suggestion langsung x kluar dr ko
maybe u are a true pessemist who cannot think positively.
aku teringat zaman dulu2
org2 kat Perlis ramai2 derma duit buat skolah
dan dinamakan Sekolah Menengah Derma
kat kampung2 pun diorng dah lama buat benda2 camni
sumbang duit dan tenaga bina dan upgrade facilities semampu yg mungkin
Tan Sri Syed Mokhtar,walaupun seorang bilionwan
tp x pernah lokek duit utk mendermakan hartanya utk charity
setiap org bole menyumbang budi mcm die gak ikut kemampuan
kalu x mampu bg duit,at least buatla public service
kalu badan tu kuat dan bertenaga bole la jd askar wataniah,tlg askar jaga negara,dpt elaun lagi tu
kalu ilmu bnyk dlm kepala,buatla kelas tuisyen free utk budak2 kat area perumahan (diorng berjaya dlm UPSR kita jugak yg bangga)
sedikit sebanyak sumbangan camtu uleh mengurangkan beban mak bapak utk byr bil anak diorng pegi tuisyen
kolam bekas lombong tu penuh jentik2 letak la ikan bnyk2 dlm tu supaya nyamuk aedes boleh dikawal
dlm Islam pun digalakkan buat benda yg bole jd wakaf
(pondok wakaf,pokok wakaf)
lgpun sumbangan dr kita utk masyarakat even lps mati pon dpt pahala lagi
OneMB
teknologi biodiesel yg ko mention tu kat UK org buat secara indie
bukak kompeni minyak independent kecik yg dpt supply dr restoran dan hotel,dah lama gak diorng buat ni.
kat sini org buat jd backyard industry je.
basically ko kena tapis the oil and then campur skit ngan fossil diesel supaya bole pakai dlm enjin diesel
polisi kerajaan ialah to hv a composition of 95% of fossil diesel and 5% minyak sawit dlm biodiesel
apparently itu mixture ratio plg efisien dr segi performance output and emission
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Lets be realistic
do u know if petrol increase will also affect the Public transportation system? Because under the PAN Malaysian Bus Operators etc that entitled them of diesel at rm1.43 per litre is definately insufficient. it will cause a break down in the Public Transport system.
There is not enough Monorails and lrt etc systems to accomodate the people. Besides it is not fully located at the startegic location like sunway or puchong or other busy places but they only have to rely on buses? Which will definately be increased? As they are entitled of a maximum charge of 15 sen per km.
What about those working in bukit jalil, especially the ladies? there are not proper transportation back to their homes? are they going to risk their security? quit their jobs?
so what is the use of using public transport and get stuffed in buses like sardins in a can? no difference. even with heavy traffic jam, we do pass by seeing a few people dangling dangerously at the door. What about old people? you think we malaysians are that courteous to let them have our seat? not all. What about those who need to frequent the hospitals and take their kids to school? do you mean we have to take the public transportation too? What the goverment also implied on changing our way of living does not make any sense at all.
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f they increase the fuel to take the 35% of the profit given to the gov to put it in good use. its ok. but using that amount to create more themeparks to attract tourists and sending another guy to space to eat roti canai or know nuts about astronomy but just because he is cute and is in good shape. does not make any sense either.
I am against on the public transport system and do you know you tend to pay more on public transport itself? believe me you, i have been taking the public transport for years now. Plus. Our stupid crime rate is so high and taking the public transport is not safe for the public too. with pick pockets incidents and also being gropped in a packed area. Furthermore, buses having high in summons and we risk being plunged into the ravine with corpse all pilled on top of us.
They can raise fuel but can they fix the crime first. Our economy sucks
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| adzakael |
| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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then we should lobby the govt to divert the funding on crime busting effort
but then again to tackle crime we need full public support
some of us tend to harbour the criminals,some just because they are our friend (so we let them selling drugs on the street)
talking about risk of getting plunge into the ravine
all transportation system have their risks associated with them
plane crashes,bus exploded,train collided
even when u were driving in ur private car,it does not eliminate the risk of getting hit by falling concrete like this ----> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=64e_1205910050
but i agree on crimes in public transportation system
i almost fell victim to some kaki pau a few time,that is why i always sit near the driver's seat,never on the rear side.
criminals took advantage of our society since we don't really care on each others welfare.We tend not to get involve when we see some situation that need assistance (thats why there were ppl who got robbed in broad daylight in public space in KL).Like u said Irene,it appears that most of us no longer have the heart to even give the needy their rightful seat in the LRT.
if we really wanted to curb crime,we MUST act now.the least we can do is to give info on the whereabout of criminals that we know.If we don't want to do it because we feel that it is unethical to betray a friend,then our wish will only remain a wish that cannot be granted.
i hv received info that it is not feasable to invest in public buses and trains,it is much profitable to invest in cheap airline system.and it is no secret that within the public transportation providers,they failed to reach an agreement to unify the systems into a single system,which potentially means that we can travel on 3 different systems with one card (like the Melbourne's Metcard system and most public transportation system in Europe).The travelling expense on this kind of system is based on timeframe and zones,not solely on the distance of the travel.
as i said before,we need to inform these private providers that the unified system is what we need now.on my side,i will definitely lobby the govt. on this kind of thing,among other issues(hopefully KJ will not interfere on this).
p/s:btw,the astronaut program is a free of charge program,Russian govt. yg belanja everything.
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| adzakael wrote: |
well good for u
tp aneh gak,aku perasan satu positive suggestion langsung x kluar dr ko
maybe u are a true pessemist who cannot think positively.
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Let me spell it out for you, you dumb piece of shit... You don't think I don't know what to do since cost of living is going up tremendously. Yeah somethings need to be changed, reduced and what not. Yeah there are some changes thats gonna happen in my family. This thread is not about suggestions what can you do to help the people around you. It's about how the government are robbing the peoples hard earned money. You think people like me never done anything for charity ke? Aku okey je, i have somethings i can reduce, but what about the makcik goreng pisang, or the makcik nasik lemak?
Say this to my face and seriously, I'll fucking punch you square in the nuts...
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aku teringat zaman dulu2
org2 kat Perlis ramai2 derma duit buat skolah
dan dinamakan Sekolah Menengah Derma
kat kampung2 pun diorng dah lama buat benda2 camni
sumbang duit dan tenaga bina dan upgrade facilities semampu yg mungkin
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Hey asshole... I pay income tax and zakat for what aaa? Bukan sumbang duit untuk pembangunan negara ke... itu belum masuk government tax aku beli kereta, government tax makan kat kedai, government tax aku bayar bil maxis, government tax bayar bil streamyx, government tax segala bil lain lagi cukai pintu, cukai itu, cukai ini, seribu satu cukai aku bayar...
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Setelah membaca apa yg dihujahkan. Aku berpendapat demikian.
-Adzakael adalah anak Datuk kaya-raya disuap rasuah kerajaan berparti UMNO yg tak yah kerja dan bermati-matian menyebelahi BN yang sudah kolot tu.
-Adzakael xdak mempunyai daya pemikiran yg cukup dalam bidang ekonomi untuk menyarankan komuniti i-bands untuk menyetujui pendapatnya yg berteras 'acceptance'.
-Adzakael adalah golongan elit yg dpt gi Australia dengan wang suapan Bapak dari projek projek kerajaan yg di tanam di kebun/ladang kerana ia berbentuk cash. Dengan adanya kekayaan dan wang dengan cara yg SENANG dan membelot rakyat negara sendiri, apalah dia kisah sangat dengan harga minyak naik? Bapak kasi satu bulan RM20k buat belanja.
-Adzakael cetek pemikirannya. Ingatkan duduk kat Australia nak tajakan sendiri sebagai rakyat negara yg moden, tapi, hanya dapat membentangkan hujahan berbentuk sinikel dan menyinggungi perasaan komuniti yg rugi besar dalam kenaikan harga.
-Adzakael hensem kerana guna botox. Kehenseman dia dapat mengkaburi org lain supaya memikir pendapat dia sebagai fakta. Helah ini juga diguna oleh Doktor Gigi Khir.
-Adzakael ade inferiority complex sebab batang dio terlalu pendek.
LOL.
OK, relek brader Adzakael. Aku joking sajo. Kita masih kawan eh. Post ni ku buat secara sinikel sajo. |
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