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| mactreouser |
 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:28 am Post subject: Production Cost |
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Hi guys,
I'm wondering about what's the production cost might pay for an album recently?!
Nowadays, Studio still charges base in Studio time?
How's the business run now?
How much it charge for:
-studio time
-mixing & mastering
-recording
-producing (plan & guide)
do you think, a lot of friends around w'ld loves to go for home studio but sound not much difference from the large studio?! How's the charges of a home studio regarding the above details? |
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: |
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how much will you pay i-bands for this information?
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| Jiro |
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| Mixboy2105 |
| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Rates are not a classified secret.
Anyway, I'm prepared to answer mactreouser's question about rate later, but I'm going to address some other issues first.
I'm guessing you're thinking of starting a home studio... to record your own material or maybe a friend's and outting out a CD? Soon you'll want to advertise and get outside clients to record at your place. My question to you is this something you want to do for fun? Or is this going to be run as a business?
Next is about home studio vs pro studio.
No. I don't think a home studio can obtain the quality of a pro studio. Some records that come out of home studios admittedly, DO sound almost as good as an big studio...
But an BIG difference between the two is that very often ... the home studio has had MONTHS or even YEARS to record, tweak, mix, remix and fiddle around with a recording until heart's content.
A big studio is paid and expected to achieve the same, if not higher level of quality within a much more SHORTER timeframe that's measured in days and weeks (sometimes even a matter of hours).
A home studio, usually works on a few projects (usually that of the owner himself) a year, but a big studio and it's skilled (hopefully) engineers do this HUNDREDS of times, over and over again in a year.
A home studio has LOTS of distractions. A pro studio is a conducive working envinronment where everybody means business, is in a productive frame of mind (whilst still having fun of course).
A pro studio with pro gear and an engineer who knows how to use them, will sonically outperform a home studio with prosumer gear anytime.
A home studio is usually NOT very impressive to paying clients. A studio in a commercial lot should always gives a client the impression of PROFFESIONALISM.
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| MY-MIC |
| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:49 am Post subject: |
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yo bro! my suggestion is, show pics of your studio and upload the quality that you can achieve from your studio. List all the equipments you have now.
Easier to help answer your question. For me that is.
Thanks.
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| brynwkh |
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| jedi wrote: |
A pro studio with pro gear and an engineer who knows how to use them, will sonically outperform a home studio with prosumer gear anytime.
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JD,
Juz wonder, would an engineer like yourself able to use prosumer gears and bring it to commercial standards? In other words, being a skilled engineer can outperform the gears instead?...
I always have this similar metaphor... it's not how expensive the guitar tat we used... but the skills that we had nurtured tat matter the most...
Tolong debunk the myth yaya..
Tx!
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| brynwkh wrote: | | jedi wrote: |
A pro studio with pro gear and an engineer who knows how to use them, will sonically outperform a home studio with prosumer gear anytime.
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JD,
Juz wonder, would an engineer like yourself able to use prosumer gears and bring it to commercial standards? In other words, being a skilled engineer can outperform the gears instead?...
I always have this similar metaphor... it's not how expensive the guitar tat we used... but the skills that we had nurtured tat matter the most...
Tolong debunk the myth yaya..
Tx! |
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| mactreouser |
| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Jedi,
Thanks a lot and i love your say!!! 
"I'm guessing you're thinking of starting a home studio... to record your own material or maybe a friend's and outting out a CD? Soon you'll want to advertise and get outside clients to record at your place. My question to you is this something you want to do for fun? Or is this going to be run as a business?"
Honestly, Home Studio everywhere.
Started a Home Studio Business? Do you think this is fun?  But, since you did mention, i'll think bout it!! haaaa...  (your motivation)
Do you know, actually there are a lot of Singers who went for contest and only the Champion will be took for Pro Album and others...Sorry Sorry Sorry...haaaa...And, Home Studio is the best bet for them to fulfill their dreams with a small token and comparable/reasonable quality of final product so...
"Next is about home studio vs pro studio.
No. I don't think a home studio can obtain the quality of a pro studio. Some records that come out of home studios admittedly, DO sound almost as good as an big studio... "
Yup, it's true, most of the Home Studio no budget for a high quality of Room Acoustic built, therefor, from the very first step of RECORDING they do failed to get the Pro Sound. Plus, Electrical Issue, there are a lot of Buzzing or Hum and others Electrical's Noise for a Home Studio... and so on...
"But an BIG difference between the two is that very often ... the home studio has had MONTHS or even YEARS to record, tweak, mix, remix and fiddle around with a recording until heart's content. "
I think it's really about experiences...means the man who sitting there and play the PRO.
"A pro studio with pro gear and an engineer who knows how to use them, will sonically outperform a home studio with prosumer gear anytime. "
That's Call Home Studio just because of they are using a reasonable gears and place to fulfill someone dreams!!!  But, as we know, some might upgrade their gears time to time... I have been to some Pro Studio, I'm sorry to tell you that i'm so disapointed. High Studio Time Low Quality of Gears and especially Engineer...but Room Acoustic is good!!!
"A home studio is usually NOT very impressive to paying clients. A studio in a commercial lot should always gives a client the impression of PROFFESIONALISM"
I think a lot of friends do agree the "Impression" of Gears but not really to the Engineers' experiences... Why i say so, that's just because of some experienced Engineer do started their own Home Studio as well (Just my experience). So, i met some engineers in the Pro Studio was a Fresh Graduate engineer...OMG!!! Impressive right! But Most of those Pro Studio do remain their quality all around BTW!!!
Really wish to hear more about this topic from you guys...learn a lot.. |
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Aiya...macam ni ke?  |
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| brynwkh wrote: | | jedi wrote: |
A pro studio with pro gear and an engineer who knows how to use them, will sonically outperform a home studio with prosumer gear anytime.
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JD,
Juz wonder, would an engineer like yourself able to use prosumer gears and bring it to commercial standards? In other words, being a skilled engineer can outperform the gears instead?...
I always have this similar metaphor... it's not how expensive the guitar tat we used... but the skills that we had nurtured tat matter the most...
Tolong debunk the myth yaya..
Tx! |
I started out in exactly the same situation as described. I've been relying on nothing more than lowly Behringer equipment. Because I wanted to deliver a certain level of quality to my clients (mostly independent bands) whilst meeting a price point that is affordable to them.
Mostly though, I used cheap gear because I couldn't damn well hear the difference back then as well as I do now.
A good engineer can make use of almost whatever gear they're presented with and achieve an acceptable result, but given the option of better gear, the results will almost always sonically be better. Take note, I'm only talking about SONICS, which has nothing to do with the PRODUCTION quality of a song. |
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| mactreouser wrote: | Hey Jedi,
Thanks a lot and i love your say!!!
Do you know, actually there are a lot of Singers who went for contest and only the Champion will be took for Pro Album and others...Sorry Sorry Sorry...haaaa...And, Home Studio is the best bet for them to fulfill their dreams with a small token and comparable/reasonable quality of final product so... |
It's mostly about exploiting the most out of a prospect, whilst keeping costs at a minimum. It is a business after all.
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Yup, it's true, most of the Home Studio no budget for a high quality of Room Acoustic built, therefor, from the very first step of RECORDING they do failed to get the Pro Sound. Plus, Electrical Issue, there are a lot of Buzzing or Hum and others Electrical's Noise for a Home Studio... and so on... |
Thats why a pro studio is "expected" to deliver good acoustics and provide technical functionality with NO problems during paid session time
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I think it's really about experiences...means the man who sitting there and play the PRO. |
Yes, when it comes to the bottomline. Experience matters. Unfortunately a typical hobbyist decides to buy some recording gear and setup a home studio has mostly ZERO real experience of audio engineering. The only sources are from books and the Internet, which really does more harm than good sometimes.
| Quote: | | I think a lot of friends do agree the "Impression" of Gears but not really to the Engineers' experiences... Why i say so, that's just because of some experienced Engineer do started their own Home Studio as well (Just my experience). So, i met some engineers in the Pro Studio was a Fresh Graduate engineer...OMG!!! |
Well with the music industry still in the doldrums, plus shrinking budgets/inflation etc. studios find it hard to afford good full-time staff. Fresh grads are "cheaper" anyway |
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| brynwkh |
| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| jedi wrote: |
Mostly though, I used cheap gear because I couldn't damn well hear the difference back then as well as I do now.
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Can I assume that being season with pro studio gears will have the advantages of hearing the differences if we re-visit these prosumer gears?
I do have similar experience as I'm season with my own gears and i start borrowing my buddies gear, at instant can hear the differences.. lack of definition but after awhile using it... I'm starting to adopt a different standards pulak...
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A good engineer can make use of almost whatever gear they're presented with and achieve an acceptable result, but given the option of better gear, the results will almost always sonically be better. Take note, I'm only talking about SONICS, which has nothing to do with the PRODUCTION quality of a song. |
Can enlighten us what does SONICS is about? Sounded "IN" laa...Lol
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| Mixboy2105 |
| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| brynwkh wrote: |
Can I assume that being season with pro studio gears will have the advantages of hearing the differences if we re-visit these prosumer gears?
I do have similar experience as I'm season with my own gears and i start borrowing my buddies gear, at instant can hear the differences.. lack of definition but after awhile using it... I'm starting to adopt a different standards pulak... |
Yes definitely. But it's something that is hard to describe with words. It's a journey of discovery that will take years and a lot of frustration. Is it worth it? Heck yeah 
As a simple example, making the switch from dynamics to condensers. For you and me, it's probably something obvious but there are some people for whom the difference is MASSIVELY dramatic, simply because they've NEVER had the chance to hear the difference. A similar analogy can be used to compare say a RM500 micpre with one that costs RM5K.
Trouble is, it's a double-edged sword. I find it tough to listen to stuff that has been recorded on prosumer gear. There's so much sonic information lost (which can't be regained) that it bothers me.
Ah... but many will say "I can't hear the difference between a Behringer and Neve!!!" And they're right in some ways because, as I said it takes years of refining one's listening skills to hear the difference.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be a gear slut/elitist .. I still have prosumer gear in my setup that does an OK job, but I also have my top-notch pre and converters for more critical aspects of the recording.
In your case, I think what's more important is that you trust your ears and your instincts. When you hear a difference, try to quantify precisely what the difference is. More 3D-definition? More precise stereo imaging? Better frequency response? Learn to identify and attach attributes to what your ear picks up. This is part of "ear kungfu" ... I suppose
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Can enlighten us what does SONICS is about? Sounded "IN" laa...Lol |
SONICS = Simply put, it's how things sound
For an example in context :
- a record might have great sonics, but poor production values (though this is very rarely the case)
- on the other hand Sgt Pepper Lonely Hearts Club sounds crappy compared to modern day records, but is an amazing work of production.
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