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| gbonE |
 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: Push Pull and Coil Tap Pot |
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Yo bros..Im new with guitar..
Where can i find these COIL TAP pot??
Just got a CORT G254 model n cheap cz rosak sane sini n I want to rebuild it
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| Jiro |
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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ok2..aku silap tanye kot..mesti ade different..n aku da igt da different dia
ok solan aku...MANA AKU NAK DAPATKAN COILTAP POT NI?
adoiiiiiii...susahnye~
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bentley ade jual...
fender replacement part... around rm30++... tak ingat plak harga nya...
wow G254... best.. aku pun nak gak.. haha
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| gbonE |
| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ETERNAL wrote: | bentley ade jual...
fender replacement part... around rm30++... tak ingat plak harga nya...
wow G254... best.. aku pun nak gak.. haha |
serius shit?
ko bole tlg rikikan utk aku?
huhuhu
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| Quote: | | Where can i find these COIL TAP pot?? |
Coil tap pot tarak, tapi push n pull pot with switch ada laa.
- nanti sellman kedai guitar terkezuk, terpingga pingga, trus kita kata kedai tu poyo, walopun asalnya masalah tu dari kita sendiri.
- Utk buat coil tap, kita perlu switch.
- Just SPDT switch pun dah memadai.
- Tapi kalo tak install switch sebab kena tebuk lubang baru, so kita pakai push n pull pot supaya tak der modify diperlukan.
- kengkadang buat coil tap wiring pasa pickup selection switch pun boleh.
- biasanya dalam kedudukan bridge+middle, kita kasih bridge pickup pada mode coil tap.
Push n pull pot.
- 2 in 1, pot + 2dpt switch [push pull].
- ada banyak value, 250K or 500K 0r 1M[rare].
- yg penting adalah berapa panjang shaft dan saiz diemeter shaft tersebut.
- Alpha pot, dimarzio biasanya saiz diameter shaft nya kecik.
- berbanding fender dan CTS pot.
- Utk guitar yg pakai pickguard, biasanya kita guna shaft panjang, dan utk guitar tanpa picguard, kita guna shaft pendek.
- tapi kebiasanya shaft panjang tak der masalah, jangan terlalu pendek.
- Dan pekara yg penting adalah, utk pakai push and pull ada baiknya guna knob yg ada skrew lock.
- nanti masa nak pull the knob, ada knob guitar tertangal plak... hahhahaah.
- utk u, rasanya tarak masalah sebab replace push n pull pot sebab origanal maybe memang dah pakai skrew knob.
- bawak knob juga, kepala pot pun macam macam size.
- ada besar tak muat knob biasa, ada plak smooth licin tarak gigi gigi.
- Ia bukan roket sicence tapi tak consistance daaa. kejap muat kejap besar sangat... hahahha.
Tempat nak beli.
- Selain dari tempat disenaraikan diatas
- woh fat dan JS music pun ada banyak part push n pull pot.
- serius, tak pasti mana boleh dapat area muar or batu pahat.
- Ada baiknya, bawak pot lama or guitar supaya senang nak bandingkan, sama ada muat or tak.
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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gbone:
aku dah beli satu... ko kasi la aku ko punye push pull dimension/ukuran..
bleh compare ngan aku punya.. mane tahu shaft tak sama panjang ke.. susah plak..
pot ko tu 250k ker atau 500k?
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Aha,
- bagi la ukuran.
- maybe gambar dibawah ne boleh dijadikan guide.
- 3/8 inchi tu berapa besar shaft nya
- 5/16 inchi tu berapa panjang shaft nya.
- 1/4 inchi berapa besar kepalanya.
- 1 1/16 adalah kedalaman pot tersebut, penting takut tak muat cavity.
- Ne smua dalam inchi, boleh bagi dalam bentuk mm pun takpa.
- baru la broo bro kat iband boleh carik yg sesuai.
- Ini la detail yg ada perlu ada if looking for pot selain value resistance nya.
Utk wiring split coil pada 5way switch guna gambarajah di bawak
- pada gua, aku lebih suka dengar amacam bunyi split coil satu pickup tersebut dulu.
- if sedap or boleh guna, maka kita buat la switching.
- kalo tak sedap, just biarkan the wiring basic jer.
- biasanya guna clip buaya jer nak test.
- test, bridge [tap], sedap ker tak.
- test bridge [tap] + single coil middle. ok ker tak.
- buat benda yg sama if neck pun boleh tap coil.
- kalo ok and sedap baru buat, kalo tak best, lupakan laaa.
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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@ultraman cosmo
ok thanx bro..skrg baru aku tau...nama asal dia ade lah PUSH PULL POT WITH SWITCH....(betul x?or aku salah interpret post ko)
COIL TAP = nama sistem tu je..bukan nama bnde pot tu kn?
Utk kalo normal push pull aku tau bole dapat mana...barang imported steward mac lg..huhu
dia memang dtg originally dgn split coil function utk bridge humbucker pickups dia..configuration pickup adelah HSS...semua pickup MIGHTYMITE
aku nk ubah sket cara dia coil tap tu je
p/s: abg cosmo..nak wiring diagram utk HSS 1 volume , 1 tone (push/pull) , 5-way switch, passive
boleh x bro?aku x jumpe on my research on the net..mostly HSH..huhu
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ETERNAL wrote: | gbone:
aku dah beli satu... ko kasi la aku ko punye push pull dimension/ukuran..
bleh compare ngan aku punya.. mane tahu shaft tak sama panjang ke.. susah plak..
pot ko tu 250k ker atau 500k? |
aku dpt gitar ni already replaced with normal pot...previous owner is not a good/keen guitar player..so its changed to 500k normal pot..i dunno exactly how the original one sized
on my research,originally this guitar came with push pull tone pot..but dunno either 250k or 500k
the dimension..i need the long shaft,this guitar dont have pickguards...n the one with no gigi2..as the knobs are come with allen key locks
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| Quote: | | ok thanx bro..skrg baru aku tau...nama asal dia ade lah PUSH PULL POT WITH SWITCH....(betul x?or aku salah interpret post ko) |
Push pull pot jer.
- orang dah faham itu pot ada switch push pull.
Perhi kat seumour duncan website.
- http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/
- kadang kadang tak der yg sebijik macam kita nak.
- tapi kita boleh modify balik la ikut kehendak kita.
- yg bawah ne paling dekat.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=1h_2s_1v_1t_5w_pp
- cuma push pull nya pada volume.
- In ur case pakai la push pull pada tone.
- Itu pickup wire color, sendiri mau ingat la yaaa, lain puckup warna tak sama.
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| gbonE wrote: |
aku dpt gitar ni already replaced with normal pot...previous owner is not a good/keen guitar player..so its changed to 500k normal pot..i dunno exactly how the original one sized
on my research,originally this guitar came with push pull tone pot..but dunno either 250k or 500k
the dimension..i need the long shaft,this guitar dont have pickguards...n the one with no gigi2..as the knobs are come with allen key locks |
aku punya rasa2 nya 250k (fender part usually 250k kan?)
sorry bro.. this one got gigi and not so long... medium...
encik KOSMO (mcam paper yang informatif haha)...
mintak tolong memberi penjelasan
i've read somewhere by using 250k it will give you warm tone and 500k will give you bright/tight.. (im i correct?)
usually 250k used for single coil & 500k for humbucker
so if we use a HSS... which pot is the great combination?
if i used 500k for volume and 250k for tone.. how will it go?
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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ermmmmm...looks like aku kene ubah totally wiring aku..push/pull on volume mcm SD punye wiring tuh
but still looking for TONE Push/Pull
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| Quote: | encik KOSMO (mcam paper yang informatif haha)...
mintak tolong memberi penjelasan
i've read somewhere by using 250k it will give you warm tone and 500k will give you bright/tight.. (im i correct?)
usually 250k used for single coil & 500k for humbucker
so if we use a HSS... which pot is the great combination?
if i used 500k for volume and 250k for tone.. how will it go? |
Utk passive pickup.
- lagi besar pot value, maka makin less high drop.
- So kalo pakai pot 500K akan dengar lagi banyak high la berbanding pakai 250K.
- Kata orang pakai pot besar akan add high, sebenarnya secara teknikalnya salah.
- pot takan add treble to the pickup.
Cth
1. pickup without volume + tone knob
- high freq respone = 100%
- maksimum high respone pickup tu boleh keluarkan.
- ia akan semakin berkurang bila makain banyak pot kita install dan semakin kecik value pot tersebut.
2- pickup yg sama tambah satu volume 500K
- maybe high freq respone turun skit to 90%.
- maksudnya tak derk la pakai 500K pot high akan bertambah jadi 110% contohnya.
3.- Pickup yg sama dengan satu volume 500K + tone pot 500K
- maybe high freq respone dah kurang to 80.
- sebab tu ada yg tak suka pakai tone knod pada sesetengah guitar terutamanya humbuker utk mamtain the high.
4. Pickup dengan volume 250K+ tone pot 250K
- kali ne high freq respone dah makin turun to 70% maybe.
Utk guitar HSS
- tak kisah nak pakai 500K or 250K.
- Tapi kebanyakan orang pilih 250K sebab ada 2 single coil kat sini.
- tapi kadang kadang pickup single coil pada guitar murah ne terlebih winding menyebabkan high kurang, dalam case ne pakai pot 500K lebih sesuai.
- biasanya kita dengar, if stock single coil sound a bit dull, better pakai pot besar.
- kalo guitar tu sedikit mellow pun boleh pakai 500K bagi high tak banyak hilang, dalam ertikata bertambah skit la dari 250K.
- to be save pakai 250K pot la utk HSS.
Active pickup.
- Makin besar maka makin less bass cut.
- kalo biasa pakai 25K pada emg, pakai 100K akan menyebabkan bass lagi banyak.
- ia terbalik dengan konsep passive pickup.
| Quote: | | if i used 500k for volume and 250k for tone.. how will it go? |
- tak der masalah, boleh ajer.
- Kalo ada 2 set
- set A, 500K vol + 1M tone + cap 022uF
- set B, 500K vol + 500K tone + cap 022uF
- set C, 500K vol + 250K tone + cap 022uF
- Pada volume full dan tone max, Set A akan kedengaran lebih banyak high berbanding Set B dan Set C paling less high.
- biasanya dengan tone pot besar macam 1 M, dia punya sensitivity utk dial the right high cut ne bagus.
overall
- 250K to 500K range yg bagus.
- 250K sesuai utk single coil utk kasih ballance balik bunyi single coil yg banyak high.
- 500K utk humbuker supaya less high cut, sebab humbuker memang dah kurang high freqnya.
- 335K kadang kadang dikatakan value paling ideal utk humbuker.
- boleh simulate 335K guna 500K denga add 1 resister.
- harap guna Audio taper/log/A lah yer sebab ia lebih sesuai utk volume.
- tone pot biasanya linear tak kisah.
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wa..
best btul reply encik KOSMO...
so by using 1x500k and 1x250k is equivalent to the middle value of between using 2x500k & 2x250k...
next question... haha..
typical wiring untuk Strat/RG berbeza dengan LP...
Does this pot value makes any different..
example..
Strat/RG
H -> Switch -> Vol&tone -> output jack
H ->
LP
H -> Vol&tone ->Switch -> Output Jack
H -> Vol&tone ->
Means here..
Strat/RG uses the same vol and tone pot for both Humbuckers..
Meanwhile LP uses dedicated vol & tone pot for each humbucker..
when both pickups activated... the sound and tone character should be totally different.. am i correct?
So what is your comment on this?
Why it creates diff tone? does the outputs from 2 pickups make any different from output from one pickup???
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