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Jiro
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:34 pm    Post subject: Susunan pedal atas pedal board Reply with quote



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ok bro sekalian.. hari nih aku tetiba je nak tau about susunan pedal board yg lebih effective dan hasil nya.

aku cuba bermain dgn pedal board aku utk tgk sound mana yg lebih menarik, tapi dari segi technical result aku kurang dapat penjelasan dari pendengaran telinga aku sendiri.

macam sekarang susunan pedal aku

Guitar > Dist > OD > Volume/Gain > Tremolo > Compressor > OD > Tuner > Amp

Jadi aku macam wondering jikalau aku letak Compressor di depan sebelum dist/od ada kah ia nya lebih menarik dari selepas? Kenapa?

yang commonly aku baca kat net, usually org akan letak

wah > comp > dist/od > eq > modulator > pitch shifter > level > delay > reverb

jadi susunan yg berbeza tentu akan memberi impact dan hasil yg berbeza...so jom share apa pandangan korang dgn susunan fav korang Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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err...kalo pakai guitar rig leh join tak? huhuhu
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Selalunya orang letak tuner first sekali lepas gitar sebab dia bukan 'efx pedal'. Kenapa ko letak kat ujung sebelum amp jiro? hehe Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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aku letak di hujung sbb dia bukan fx pedal juga... Smile sbb aku rasa semak letak depan..aku tak guna bypass pun tuner..bila nak tune je baru pijak.. Smile

plus lagi satu pun sbb CNB punya pedal case di kedalam skit..so bila nak cucuk cabut cable for amp agak cam sempit...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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"wah > comp > dist/od > eq > modulator > pitch shifter > level > delay > reverb"

ikut kesedapan ko gak le.. takyah ikut sgt.. kat atas tu basic..

mcm mana plak kalo ko nak separate..antara dist + delay dgn clean sound chorus + delay.. mesti pening.. sebab ko pakai 2 delay..

aku penah setting cara ni

wah > dist > delay > EQ > flanger > chorus > delay

agak pening bila aku nak off/on dari clean ke dist sound walaupun basic aje tu..kaki ade 2 je beb..nak off delay pastu nak off chorus pastu nak on dist plak...perghh..hehehe..

ape pun yg penting aku rasa.. rancang baik2 sususan pedal yg akan kerap ko guna.. biar dekat satu sama lain..

problem setel bila aku mula pakai Switch / looper.. sebab aku perlu step 1 button aje tuk tuka channel clean ke dist..

nih contoh nye..
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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T|melessness- ait... mcm nk pomot je bro...huhu Razz

menarik jgk thread nih...leh jgk blajar susun2 efx...cool
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kebiasannya,
- dalam susunan pedal efect ne kita ada guide.
- Just guide dan bukan law pun.
- biasanya kita ketegorikan dulu pedal pedal tersebut ikut kegunaan dan cara pemprosesannya la.

1. tone modify.
- effect tukar single coil ker humbuker.
- nak tukar pickup bunyi piano kaaaa.

2. compressor/limiter/gate
- pedal pedal compressor

3. filter eq
- macam wah wah, auto wah.

4. Drive
- semua pekara dist, fuzz, booster, OD.

5. Modul
- modul ne bebenda macam chorus, fanger, tremolo, vibe, phaser

6. echo
- ne semua ketegory delay

7. ambient
- reverb dan adik kakaknya.

8. EQ
- Sebenarnya EQ lebih menyeluruh, semua tempat boleh berada.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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makin best nih Smile

tapi aku just cam tak dapat beza kan antara compressor > dist dgn dist > compressor

for right, aku beli compressor for easy booster (Comp 66 visual sound v1), so aku off kan tone control dan tweak sustain dgn gain.

aku plan of instead guna compressor, aku nak pakai MXR micro amp sekali 2, as 1 akan on by default (bcause aku suka sound dia yg force gain up), cuma lagi satu utk booster, seperti rig setup nick valensi dari the strokes.

dan issue lagi satu utk tremolo pedal, which aku tak bole nak decide which aku patut letak dia as pre atau post, sebelum drive pedal atau selepas.

aku experiment, bila letak pre, dist level tak kacau, tapi trem dia dgr slow je kat belakang, macam konsep double layer. tapi bila post, trem tuh sound nice tapi masalah dia akan kacau volume yg sgt ketara. As tremolo pedal aku hanya ada depth dan speed, so tak bole nak control gain dia.

ultraman cosmo...cuma nak kepastian, anda melabelkan tremolo adalah tergolong dalam modulator, nih yg buat saya lagi confuse, sebab 10/10 forum dan web yg aku search, tremolo adalah bukan dalam kategori modulator, dia dalam categori Level pedal macam volume pedal dan sebagai nya....

dalam pemahaman yg simple dari pembacaan, modulator more too like color pedal, which dia mods kan sound/tone yg in, which tremolo tak mods kan, cuma dia bermain dgn depth macam konsep volume pedal secara manual.



jadi aku just nak survey cita rasa org, compressor di hadapan atau di belakang? dan kenapa?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ekceli aku terjumpa yg nih..giler sume boss ahaha
ehem bukan itu yg aku maksud kan

aku baca kt situ drg bincang psl "delay ke chorus dulu" ...aku tgk pon dah pening, tibe2 ade tuner lak kat tgh2..pelik plak aku...huhuhu mcm ne tu?

sos- http://www.tdpri.com/forum/stomp-box/72101-delay-chorus-first.html
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walaupun kau tahu aku punya planned pedal arrangement.. aku nak cite gak...

Tuner > Comp > OD > DS > CleanBoost/GainControl/EQ > Echo/Delay > Chorus > HighGain Boost...

aku letak depan pasal aku nak balance kan sound clean dan tanak compress sound gain aku..
kalau nak compress/limit kan jugak.. aku bleh guna Highgain booster aka metal pedal...
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Zul / Farid...

Ape kata korang try buat looper baru...
this time looper tu boleh customize susunan channel..

Example:

3 Channel: A, B, C
1 Bypass

setting1: A > B > C
setting2: A > C > B
setting3: B > A > C
setting4: B > C > A
setting5: C > A > B
setting6: C > B > A

dengan ni.. tak payah susah2 tukar kedudukan pedal..
nak letak comp kat depan ker belakang ker... tekan jer switch.. haha
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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ETERNAL wrote:
Zul / Farid...

Ape kata korang try buat looper baru...
this time looper tu boleh customize susunan channel..

Example:

3 Channel: A, B, C
1 Bypass

setting1: A > B > C
setting2: A > C > B
setting3: B > A > C
setting4: B > C > A
setting5: C > A > B
setting6: C > B > A

dengan ni.. tak payah susah2 tukar kedudukan pedal..
nak letak comp kat depan ker belakang ker... tekan jer switch.. haha


Good idea,
seswai tuk org yg cam Jiro
hilang masalah dia
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Haa...yg nih la yg aku maksudkan dulu tu....Mase lepak kat ampang tuh...aku ade tanye Bro Zul, yg aku igt looper tu mcm yg Eternal ckp....
Upenye bukan...jadi...ade ke Looper yg mcm Eternal ckp tu?....tapi mcm lebih kurang multi Fx je....kot... Rolling Eyes


Midi Controller tu fungsi die mcm yg Eternal ckp tu kan?...
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ultraman cosmo...cuma nak kepastian, anda melabelkan tremolo adalah tergolong dalam modulator, nih yg buat saya lagi confuse, sebab 10/10 forum dan web yg aku search, tremolo adalah bukan dalam kategori modulator, dia dalam categori Level pedal macam volume pedal dan sebagai nya....

dalam pemahaman yg simple dari pembacaan, modulator more too like color pedal, which dia mods kan sound/tone yg in, which tremolo tak mods kan, cuma dia bermain dgn depth macam konsep volume pedal secara manual.


ya betul. tremolo adalah volume effect.
- adik beradik dengan panning effect.

As kita tahu bebenda volume dan eq boleh berada dimana mana chain effect.
- tapi tremolo khasnya paling bagus berada kat hujung effect.
- ... drive> module > tremolo > delay > reverb
- or ... drive> module > delay > reverb > tremolo > amp
- sebenarnya tremolo paling berkesan adalah dalam circuit power amp section dalam amplifier kita.
- Aku suka angap tremolo adalah module, tapi dalam cetegory module aku anggap ia effect paling hujung kearah amp.
- Antara sebab aku katakan ia sebagai module, sebab tremolo effect ne ada algorithm nya sendiri, ada depth dan speed.
- it similar to chorus dan phasor dari segi design cuma tiada effect pitch vibration.
- ini salah satu sebab kenapa kebanyakan chorus dan phasor boleh modify ker tremolo.


if tremolo, anda letak before drive.
- kurang effect tremolonya.
- sebab bila tremolo volume slide turun, kedengaran drive pula yg turun.
- Volume > drive = drive akan bertambah or berkurang tapi volume selepas drive masih sama.
- Sama macam kita pakai DS-1, then kita roll down volume kat guitar, akan menyebabkan bunyi akan bertambah clean dan less distort.
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ETERNAL wrote:
Zul / Farid...

Ape kata korang try buat looper baru...
this time looper tu boleh customize susunan channel..

Example:

3 Channel: A, B, C
1 Bypass

setting1: A > B > C
setting2: A > C > B
setting3: B > A > C
setting4: B > C > A
setting5: C > A > B
setting6: C > B > A

dengan ni.. tak payah susah2 tukar kedudukan pedal..
nak letak comp kat depan ker belakang ker... tekan jer switch.. haha


Pada gua ia tak practical.
- Sebab aper, sam ada anda nak guna satu effect tu pre pr post position, anda still kena tweak balik parameternya.
- maksudnya, kata la anda pakai OD>DS vs DS>OD, setting utk kedua dua pedal tu dah lain.
- So what for kalo kita ada satu looper yg boleh split A>B or B>A, still kena tweak balik.
- even chorus nak letak before drive or before drive pun nak kena tweak balik the chorus parameter.

pada gua baik buat looper ala channel.
- Chanel ABCnD
- Suka hati la, tekan chanel A, chabel lain off
- tekan B chanel lain off.
- So set la, chanel A clean, chanel B dirty, C crunch or D solo.
- Benda ne biasa kita guna pada multieffect macam GT or pod.
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