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| Jiro |
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| ETERNAL |
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| Jiro wrote: | | aku still tak faham quality punya point of view.. |
kualiti = hasil pembuatan = takde kena mengena dengan tone...
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| eniQma |
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for me...salah satunya...finishing tu la...
err...
yg lain?
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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ntah...bagi aku kalo berbaloi ngan harga tu ok la...kalo byr mahal2 tp plywood ke...x kemas tu...baru mcm hampes kuar duit....huhu
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_(philosophy)
Conceptions of quality
Main article: Qualia
| Quote: | | Philosophy and common sense tend to see qualities as related either to subjective feelings or to objective facts. The qualities of something depends on the criteria being applied to and, from a neutral point of view, doe not determine its value (the philosophical value as well as economic value). Subjectively, something might be good because it is useful, because it is beautiful, or simply because it exists. Determining or finding qualities therefore involves understanding what is useful, what is beautiful and what exists. Commonly, quality can mean degree of excellence, as in, "a quality product" or "work of average quality". It can also refer to a property of something such as "the addictive quality of nicotine".[6] In his book, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert M. Pirsig examines concepts of quality in classical and romantic, seeking a Metaphysics of Quality and a reconciliation of those views in terms of non-dualistic holism. |
Based on wiki...
It stated that it is kind of subjective.
e.g:
- using a parts that can last long...
- built as perfect as possible (define perfect)
- manufactured as constant as possible (define constant)
- bla bla bla...
IMHO, quality in manufacturing is to manufacture aka to duplicate the product to be the same as the original/prototype spec as near as possible.
including the tone and sound... or depends on any benchmark that has been set by manufacturer, buyers or pros, etc...
e.g: we say that MIC squire is quality product. But the benchmark is it being compared to other MIC product within the price range and affordability. but it is nothing to be compared to MIJ etc.
so for me: Quality = comparison = benchmark
err... aku ada jawab soklan ko tak? hahaha
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| oRden |
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sebab duitla kita pandang pada kualiti. manala tau time test kat kedai bunyik dah sedap, tapi bila dah beli baru pakai dua bulan neck dah warp, body kat bridge route dah retak, bridge bengkok, wayar lilit pikap putus, monojack tercabut, switch patah, fretwire tertanggal, fretboard terkopak, tuners loose...
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| boyroy |
| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:02 am Post subject: |
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kalo ikut konsep aku la
Quality=mengikuti kehendak pelanggan
kalo pelanggan nak brg semua brg mahal, aku bg yg mahal
kalo diorg nk brg yg murah, aku bg yg murah
tp yg x tahan nyer,
brg nk yg bgs, tp hrg nk mrh
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nak hsl kerja yg cantek, bajet x der,
kui kuyi kui.........
buat keja siang mlm x tdo, masyuk nyer ciputputputputpuuuuut.....
hahahaha..... tawa dlm lenangan air mata nih...
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| Jiro |
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Jiro wrote: | betul kata boyroy...
so apa yg aku cuba sampai kan ada lah...apa itu sebenar nya kualiti?
kalau kita rasa bende tuh elok dan bagus..kita akan cakap bende tuh kuality...so kalau org lain cakap itu tak kualiti...
macam mana? so utk apa cari kualiti?
p/s: sebenar nya, tak best kalau beli barang tapi org tak jeles...itu kualiti  wahahahahha |
riak namanya tu...wahahaha
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| ETERNAL |
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hahaha...warning..
jiro dah datang antu speaker dia... haha...
jangan dilayan orang yang tension.. haha
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| IZZI |
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| Jiro wrote: | | penting sgt ke quality tuh? aku still tak faham |
Berlapis2 jugak maksud abstrak kau ni Jiro..POWER la ko!
tak apa kita letak muzik ketepi dulu.
Kita anggap guitar ni mcm brg biasa. Aku try jawab soalan power ko.
Aku sempitkan skop jawapan pada gitar sahaja.
APA kebendanya kualiti?
aku terfikir mungkin kualiti gitar ni ada 2 jenis
1) Kualiti pembuatan/hasil kerja
- Contoh: ketepatan pemasangan fret ada buzzing ke tak, ikut scale ke tak etc..
2) Kualiti material
- Contoh: material fretwire guna besi murah die cast atau pakai material stainless steel etc.
KENAPA perlu material berkualiti? - Untuk mendapatkan bunyi asas yang berkualiti. Guitar ni berkaitan dgn pemindahan getaran. So materials that allow higher rate of resonance transfer are more quality. The higher the transfer rate, the more the quality.
OK ini tricky part yg Jiro maksudkan
BAGAIMANA nak menilai quality?
Ada 3 approaches:
1) Quality by itself (kualiti sebenar)
- ini the highest level. Tuhan je tau *LOL*
2) Quality based on our understanding & experience
- maksudnya ikut apa yg kita sendiri faham tentang kualiti. Kalau kita tgk gitar cantik kita kata itu kualiti, so thats it! Kalau kita dengar bunyi halus kontot kita rasa sedap dan kita suka, so thats it! Terpulang pada benchmark masing2. Tak ada salah betulnya. Tapi biasanya benda ni berubah-ubah from time to time.
3) Quality by money spent
- maksudya kita menilai apa yg kita dapat berdasarkan apa yang kita belanjakan. Belanja RM120 tapi dapat Les Paul replica made in China kita akan cakap kita dapat barang yang berkualiti dgn apa yg kita belanjakan.
So itu lah apa yg aku boleh cuba fikir setakat ni untuk menjawab soalan power yang Jiro kemukakan. Kesimpulannya, PENTING SANGAT KE KUALITI TUH? Jawapan: Aku tak ada produce music lagi. Kecoh kualiti je lebeh. Hahaha kau mmg power la Jiro. Soalan pendek tp pukul rata! SIOT BTOL!
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Something yg aku dapat dari marty friedman fan site, fan tanye soalan, friedman jwb, saje2 sharing
QUESTION:
I'm an 18 year old who graduated highschool this year and had a brief stint with the military. I currently work two jobs just to keep my bills paid and to have a little cash on the side. I'm having serious problems trying to afford quality gear. When you were my age how did you go about acquiring quality gear?
MARTY'S ANSWER:
It is funny, a player`s playing usually somehow winds up matching the quality of the gear he plays. If someone lives and breathes music, and gets decent at playing, he will find a way to get gear that he can work with. Please note-although it`s best to play well and have good gear(does NOT have to be expensive) it is better to be a good player on crap gear than a crap player on good gear. Just keep playing. Eventually you will be able to get the gear your playing is worthy of.
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