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| deadzid |
 Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:45 am Post subject: Tech 21 SansAmp GT2 vs. Behringer V-Tone Guitar GDI 21 |
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Setelah aku give-up utk mendapatkan sound heavy yg sedap (especially utk recording) dgn Zoom GFX-5 ni, aku pon mula meracau utk cari analog stompbox / amp modeler yg mampu menghasilkan sound yg ganaszz ala2 Metallica... then i stumbled across this cool gadget from Tech 21 called SansAmp GT2....
Tech 21 SansAmp GT2
 
actually, it's just another amp modeler, but in compact analog stombox mode... this unit features 3 mic settings (classic, off-axis, center), 3 mods (clean, hi gain, hot-wired) and 3 amp models: - Tweed - Fender style amp - sound clip
- British - Marshall style amp - sound clip
- California - Mesa Boogie style amp - sample clip
sebenarnya, aku teruja bila dengar sample clip utk "California" punya amp setting nih, so aku pon terus call SMX (dealer Tech 21 kat mesia) dan diaorang ada stock utk unit nih but sadly the price is over RM700! so aku pon terus batalkan hasrat utk beli menatang nih...
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aku teringat yg aku pernah jumpa satu produk baru nih dari Behringer called V-Tone Guitar GDI-21! It's a 3-in-1 kinda thing: Guitar amp modeler + direct recording pre-amp + DI-box, all in one compact unit! and it has the same buttons / knobs as the SansAmp GT2, but with extra "ground lift" switch. So aku pon call la supplier Behringer aku dan rupanya produk baru nih memang dah sampai mesia pon, and amazingly the price is less than RM200! no shit!! aku dah pon suruh dia order sebijik so weekend nih aku nak test power!
Behringer V-Tone Guitar GDI 21
then aku call Daniel (aka MetalSkeletor) sbb nak suruh dia record sample clip thru his Behringer GMX210 amp, coz that amp has the same amp modeler as the V-Tone GDI21. and here's the result on from Daniel:
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the track consists of 2 parts with the following settings:
1st Half settings - Amp = Calif, Gain = Hot, Speaker = US
2nd Half settings - Amp = Calif, Gain = Hi Gain, Speaker = UK
No effects
of course la sound yg Daniel record ni tak sesedap sound clip from Tech 21, but i think it's close and fair enough considering Daniels limited equipments compare to the one they use on Tech 21's site... | Tech 21 website wrote: | All tracks written, performed and/or programmed by Frederic St-Gelais at "La Chambre" Studio, Montreal, Canada, on March 8th 1999, using the following equipment:- Tech 21 SansAmp GT2 preamp
- Mackie CR1604VLZ console
- Alesis ADAT XT recorder
- 3630 compressor
- Microverb and Midiverb III effects processors
- D4 drum module
- Ensoniq ASR-10 sampler (used as a MIDI controller)
- BOSS DD-5 digital delay and CE-2 chorus FX pedals
- Tascam DA-30 DAT recorder
- Pentium 200mmx running sequencer, audio editor and mp3 encoder programs
- Yamaha Pacifica 120 and 112 guitars
- Yamaha RBX 260 bass.
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Overall, i'm quite satisfied with the "California" amp sound on Behringer's V-Tone GDI21, and i think they did a marvelous job in "ripping-off" the SansAmp GT2! plus, the GDI21 also includes a di-box (with balanced XLR out) and also acts as a direct pre-amp for recording purpose. hehehe i'm gonna get my unit soon, hopefully by this weekend (depends on my pay cheque!)
so what do you guys think? how's the sound from GDI21 compare to SansAmp GT2?
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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zid.. sound v-amp ni jauh kalau nak banding dgn san amp tu. an amp tu solid betul sound dia. Sedap gila. Anyway zid, have u tried Jackhammer tu?
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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jackhammer tu aku nak pinjam ko punya la, test power, kalau best boleh la beli... tapi ko sekarang dah kat JB kan?
anyway, yg Behringer ni tak sama dgn v-amp tuh! yg ni memang klon SansAmp GT2 sebijik... maybe nak kena adjust lagi utk dpt sound mcm GT2 tu, tambah efx ke apa ke...
lagi satu kelebihan GDI-21 nih, dia ada gold-plated XLR out yg berfungsi sbg di-box dan recording pre-amp! dan lagi satu - it's ANALOG!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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ko ni sejak bila pulak nak brg analog nih? wahahha..
anyway aku minat gila dgn sound clip tweed tu.. betul2 taste aku utk skrg ni.. bunyi otai sikit hehe..
zid.. behringer ni mmg bagus bila harga dan DI-box function tu take account. Memang bebaloi gila. Mungkin boleh head to head dgn san amp punya sound kalau ko pandai tweak dgn amp yg best agaknya. Cuma pada sound clip yg ko bagi ni, sound san amp tu mmg jauh better.
Aku dah kat JB tapi guiatr semua aku tak bawak lagi. So sepanjang bulan julai ni aku tak sentuh guiatr pun. Bila aku beli dah beli amp nanti baru bawak guitar sekali.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| izuan wrote: | | zid.. behringer ni mmg bagus bila harga dan DI-box function tu take account. Memang bebaloi gila. Mungkin boleh head to head dgn san amp punya sound kalau ko pandai tweak dgn amp yg best agaknya. Cuma pada sound clip yg ko bagi ni, sound san amp tu mmg jauh better. |
in the meantime, aku akan settle down dulu dgn GDI-21 nih, experiment, tweak, adjust mcm2 sampai dapat sound sebijik mcm SansAmp GT2... kalau tak dapat gak, baru le aku consider utk beli Tech 21 punya... alang2, angkat yg rack unit punya - SansAmp PSA, harge lebih kurang RM2800 kot!
by the way, aku dah survey review from pengguna2 GDI-21 ni... ramai yg kata best, sound sebijik mcm SansAmp, tapi ade jugak sekumpulan pengguna yg against behringer version nih... mostly diaorang complain about the bypass mode, ada humming / hissing, reliability to use during live show, etc... entah la, kena beli dulu baru tau!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Kalau aku ada duit... mesti aku angkat Tech 21 punya tu...solid gila bunyi dia...
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Izuan, soundclip aku tu memang beza (read: tak best sangat:)), sebab lepas aku dengar Tech 21 punya, lima minit aku cuba tweak nak dapat sebijik, tapi tak dapat, that is the best I can do so far lah... hehehehe...
But considering the amount of effects that they used on the recording, aku rasa kalau mamat yang produce sound clips tech 21 to work on my sound pu buleh dapat best kot...
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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best... good info.... go behringer... < how to pronouce behringer aaa? is it :
1. beh-ri-nger
2. beh-rin-ger
3. beh-rin-jer ( considering this is a german company)
penting ni nak tahu sebutan yang betul sbb aku penah termalu kerana menyebut flanger > fla-nger .... malu tul kalo pk2 balik... nasib baik yg kantolkan aku tu member.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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hahah .. sama la dgn aku.. Aku pun dulu sebut flanger fla-nger.. bila dengar kat cd baru tau.. so behringer ni aku sebut beh-rin-jer.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| MetalSkeletor wrote: | | aku rasa kalau mamat yang produce sound clips tech 21 to work on my sound pu buleh dapat best kot... |
Ni la yg aku fikirkan masa nak komen masa 1st time tu.. cuma product yg made in china ni selalu kena pandang rendah dari segi kualiti komponen dan parts. Tak tau apsal..
Contohnya amp Marshall made in UK dgn Marshall made in India mesti dibeza2kan kualitinya. Aku tak pasti yg ianya mmg fact atau just impression pada negara yg keluarkan. Ataupun sebab made in india murah.
Behringer adalah product Germany yg dibuat di China.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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zid, angkat je v-amp 2... aku rasa memang ko puas hati punya... huhuuuuuu...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: |
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aku rasa baik angkat V-Tone GDI21 tu zid... aku pun mcm dah berminat.... v-amp2 nampak terlalu digital le.... v-tone to stompbox design... tu yg aku minat tu...... zid ko ade tanye tak... tuner behringer tu100 bile nak masuk sini? aku pun pernah jd cam ko zid, give-up dah dgn multieffect ni, mmg susah nak dpt sound solid .... sbb tu aku beralih kepada single stompboxes.... multieffects ni immitation kpd bunyi2 effect single yg disatukan kedalam 1 unit.... so.... immitation cannot beat the original..... ermm maybe a few.....
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Multieffect ok tp tgk brand la sebab setiap company ada patern algorithm nya utk sesuatu sound. Mcm BOSS Gt-8 dan POD XT pun multi effect tp sound digital dia guna COSM. Lagi satu yang lebih bagus tapi tak jual kat M'sia ialah DIGITECH punya floor base multieffect.
Tapi tak tau la algorithm ZOOM ni bagus tak.. yg aku tau bunyi dia loose kurang solid dan too digital (tajam dan kering). tp ni pengalaman aku guna zoom yg lama la. Tp zoom is getting better.. dah ada effect processor. Yang baru ni mungkin dah bagus kot.
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