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| sungaipelong |
 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:29 am Post subject: Audio Interface yg mana.. |
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Salam semua..
Nak mintak pendapat/nasihat dr korang semua..sya nak beli soundcard dgn budget rm600..dgn budget yg ada ni,A.I ape yg sya mampu miliki?
boleh x suggest kan yg mana yg bagus dan sesuai utk entry level mcm sya ni..
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| Ridzi |
| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Huishh banyak choice for budget RM600
M-Audio Audiophile2496
Soundcard ni memang elok sangat2 untuk sapa2 yang under a tight budget. Pro audio recording at mortal prices. Harga dia aku rasa dalam RM300-RM400.
M-Audio Delta 66
Soundcard ni masuk dalam budget ko kot bro. RM600-RM650. Best banyak sikit input. Memang ramai member aku pakai. Hasil amat bagus.
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| sungaipelong |
| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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ohh tenkiu bro utk cadangan tu..tp klo yg mcm ni kene pasang dlm cpu bukan?
kalau yg utk external plak yg bagaimana yg patut sya cari? |
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Ridzi |
| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Jiro wrote: | try google m-audio ...byk juga choice dalam range harga tuh but tak sure if ada yg guna firewire or usb2.0
kalau nak suggest...byk yg boleh di suggest...how about list down apa yg kau nak from AI yg kau akan purchase nih yg byk input ke, byk output ke, ada free vsti ke, with phantom power atau tak ke |
Dia cakap dia beginner...so aku cadangkan yang dua ni... As a beginner better buat simple2 aje dulu...sebab belum tahu lagi kalau dia nak input/output lebih lagi... bila dah bertambah kefahaman maybe then boleh upgrade.
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:43 am Post subject: |
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agree that...
tapi dari cara dia reply...dia terkejut dgn PCI card...and as common sense in how newbie always thinking, the internal hardware is something bit complicated to think....
after all pun still nak kene tau what and how he want to record and stuff..micing ke, vsti ke...at some point aku byk jumpa newbie macam facepalm bila contoh macam most of AI takda kelebihan macam Line6 product ada Gear Box....
so for me if he a truly beginner, blind shot buying things are big waste. he need to learn on what he want from the AI, and when we know maybe we could suggest properly according to his budget most of AI do basically what others AI do..but the extra value of buying certain AI giving the engineer a good benefit upon his own interest in working with it
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| Ridzi |
| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| Jiro wrote: | agree that...
tapi dari cara dia reply...dia terkejut dgn PCI card...and as common sense in how newbie always thinking, the internal hardware is something bit complicated to think....
after all pun still nak kene tau what and how he want to record and stuff..micing ke, vsti ke...at some point aku byk jumpa newbie macam facepalm bila contoh macam most of AI takda kelebihan macam Line6 product ada Gear Box....
so for me if he a truly beginner, blind shot buying things are big waste. he need to learn on what he want from the AI, and when we know maybe we could suggest properly according to his budget most of AI do basically what others AI do..but the extra value of buying certain AI giving the engineer a good benefit upon his own interest in working with it |
Line 6 punya product is quite restrictive actually. Sure...it can handle guitar and emulation really well. but tell me Jiro - what if the poor guy wants to start using VSTi's?? As far as I know, Line6 products are not meant to be used as a full on replacement for a sound card because its not a soundcard.
For example I know the PODs have ASIO capability, but have you actually seen how much the latency is? Its completely unusable. You wont be able to run third party VSTi's on it either - because thats not what it was designed to do.
Bro Jiro, I dont think he is doing this blindly
He is doing the right thing by asking those who are very experienced like you and others here. I seriously think that these two cards are the best cards for him. Although he might be a newbie at this - kita jangan la nak jadi patronizing pulak. Bukan nya complicated sangat nak pasang PCi ni. Kalau dia tak tahu kita ajar.
Tak pun kalau dia tanak pasang sendiri - kan kedai boleh pasangkan Tapi elok la dia belajar sikit cemana nak pasang betul tak?? Kita semua pun dulu tak tahu juga. Tak cuba tak tahu..
These two cards can help him bypass a lot of the headaches that I went through when I was a beginner. ASIO tak compliant la...latency macam haram la... dan macam2 lagi...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: |
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agree on what you said. but u sounded like offended by my opinion (if u do, im sorry), then u rejecting my opinion like it is worthless (yes im feel offended)..seems like u want to be the righteous one.
i didnt say PCI card are terrible or the worst, like i said, most AI do the same basic like other AI's do. The picture i try to draw is after he asking for 2nd solution like external AI's. Maybe there is a basic reasons why some people like external AI because of easy to plug in, got control knob, and most of it is all in one at on top of ur desk and front of your eyes.
Another factor is, what if the user is using laptop? note book? PCI is not usable on their machine.
Let say we take the example of people like me, who place the PC under the table with a very few spacing at the back of it between wall and the pc. its quite not easy when each of time you want to re-plug things out. But yet, if it ok for people to taking care of it, its not a problem and its not wrong at all.
POD's is well known for unstable latency issue. What im trying to suggest maybe the toneport series, never occurred to me about the latency issue after so many years using it. Which also now the price are affordable. Not that im so passionately suggesting people to buy Line6 product, but this is my experience answering alot of question regarding guitar vsti, most of them want it to be easy as using pod farm or gearbox, standalone. But yet, doesnt mean u need to buy Line 6 just because i say so. There is always other solution, but most of the VSTi is not standalone, it need to load into DAW and taking up alot of CPU usage. And most of beginners always found out that to record DI, and just patch with send fx of vsti not very pleasant with the result. Yet, different people, different way. Miccing is still the best. And this Line 6 is for me only doing really good for guitar and bass, for vocal so so and which i learn vocal much depends on your room enviroment, for line-in or midi or else, not the best yet still workable. There is always pro and cons of each AI of that price range.
Other factor that need to be consider is those AI manufacture driver. Win 7 64bit are getting famous, some of it the driver are not stable, even for Line 6. But for M-Audio, it was great. Never heard any issue with M-audio for driver stability.
***why 64 bit? because you can add more RAMs than 32bit which RAM are limited to below 3gb.
Regarding to driver, some AI do not allowed sharing driver when the driver is being use by DAW. Do not panic when ure are working, and suddenly try to listen to sample from youtube, there is no sound until u close ur DAW.
Im not saying what he do by asking our opinion is blindly. What i mean by blind is if u just considered what people suggested without thinking about what u think is suits your needs, that's blind. By just asking question is not blind, but not knowing what you get into, that is blind. I got alot of friend in this kind of field, and most of them keep changing equipment, not because the rig is not good, but just because it doesnt meet what they need, yet ada yg sampai berhutang beribu-ribu. So before you waste your money to something that later maybe in a very short time u want to change it, think about the market and value on reselling it. Or else just learn how to live with it. No rights, No wrong in learning process, learning from mistake is the champ. But other people mistakes doesnt mean sometimes its gonna be a mistake to you.
Im not trying to be patronize, just want to educate and sharing the way of im thinking, yet not asking people just to follow my opinion like an instruction. Take what ever my word that comfort your way of thinking, and leave the bad idea of mine so it wont be a hassle in future.
p/s: are u racist towards Line 6 product? haha  LARI~~
sungai pelong: sorry kalau aku terbahasa kan diri kau as beginner, huhu aku tatau level entry kau camne...so sorry tau. but back to your question, for external, maybe Toneport atau Audiofire pun ok gak.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: |
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ohh ok mmmmm:? sori kalau penerangan sya buat kan korg konpius..hehe
1. sya pakai komputer ala laptop dimana segala isi perutnya berada dibelakang monitor..jd untuk pakai PCI tu sya rasa komputer sya not capable to do so..sya rasalah.. Jadi,A.I yg menggunakan USB lebih sesuai buat sya..sya rasalah..
2. utk level sekarang ni,sya rasa sya tidak memerlukan input/output yg banyak atas sbb sya xnampak kegunaan dia utk masa sekarang.hmm 
3. Sya hendak memiliki A.I yg mempunyai phantom power..
4. Penggunaan sya akan lebih kepada komposisi lagu utk dirumah(demo level),mengambil kira dimana sya lebih suka bekerja didalam studio yg betul utk production
5. A.I yg senang bekerjasama dengan EZD,amplitube dan segala benda yg patut..kira VSTi la ni kan?hehe
6. Yg ada kasi benda2 free software..
7. Sya teringin nak blaja pakai Pro Tools..jd ada ke A.I dlm budget sya tu yg boleh bekerja dgn software ni?
Sori tp seriusly mg sya buta huruf dan segalanya kabur pasal benda rekoding2 ni..hehe
neway..many thanks ya utk pandangan anda tu..
btw..M-Audio mcm ada yg menepati citarasa sya..tp masih lg memerlukan pandangan ramai |
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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hehehe
cuba kau research M-audio utk external...or Echo AudioFire 4 ke.
utk pro tools, tak really sure, but selalu u nye yg org guna pro tools cakap kat aku most of pro tools hanya work best and compitable the barang pro tools sendiri, nuendo nama DAW dia. Kesahihan nya tak pasti, tak pernah try invest utk pro tools.
1. Laptop, tak jadi masalah kalau demo entry.
2. less input / output, normal AI dalam range harga tuh selalu nya ada 1 line in, 1 mic in, 2 analog output ,1 headphone out put, 1 spdif
3. Kene check each spec ada phantom power tak, better google yg mana rasa nak beli tuh
4. Demo entry atau post-production mixing, workable, dont worry.
5. Semua AI dalam range harga tuh compitable dgn standard VSTi. Cuma cpu je yg kene risau boleh tampung all vsti at a time atau tak.
6. free software, kene tanya kedai, kekadang mmg derang ada bagi sekali, macam line 6 bagi Ableton Live, pod farm dan gearbox.
7. pro tools, refer atas.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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hehe orite..thanks Jiro dgn penjelasan anda..sekarang sudah terang sedikit kekaburannya..haha
Echo Audiofire 4 tu mcm sempoi jugak..
dengan M Audio Fast Track
tp masih lg mencari dan mencari.. |
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Bro2 sekalian...
Different ppl will have different expectation yaya.. I've gone thru this b4, it's challenging to hear different2 opinion
Wizard below.. helps me alot.. NOT on choosing the AI but help me to understand the features that available in d market and wat it the most suitable for my setup..
Give it a try..
http://www.recordingreview.com/soundcard/soundcard_wizard.php
Once u understand the AI's features... then u can rajin2 download the product manual... juz bace spek cukup da and definetely u will find the ONE...
Gud Luck!
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| brynwkh wrote: | Bro2 sekalian...
Different ppl will have different expectation yaya.. I've gone thru this b4, it's challenging to hear different2 opinion
Wizard below.. helps me alot.. NOT on choosing the AI but help me to understand the features that available in d market and wat it the most suitable for my setup..
Give it a try..
http://www.recordingreview.com/soundcard/soundcard_wizard.php
Once u understand the AI's features... then u can rajin2 download the product manual... juz bace spek cukup da and definetely u will find the ONE...
Gud Luck! |
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