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| elmkids |
 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: INTRODUCTION |
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HI there..
nama aku zahid. so this is my first thread..
aku nak tau, ada tak korang kat sini yg record dekat project/home studio, and bila dah abis mix korang bawak master track korang tu utk 'analog summing' kat studio besar; which means korang bawak cd master utk running thru analog machine. kalo ada, korang buat kat mana and how much? |
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| Mixboy2105 |
| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Hi Zahid,
Welcome to the forum!!! Firstly, I'm not too sure if you're referring to
i) mixing or ii) mastering ?
I've assumed that you've already mixed the track and intend to have it mastered at mastering studio which have analog EQs and compressors to do the job. If so feel free to email me and I will pass you the contact.
Pls feel free to visit my studio and have a look at our facilities and our sample songs. My contact details are as belows.
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| elmkids |
| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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hi dude.. thanks for the reply. what i meant is..this analog summing happens after you finish mixing your song. just run your cd to 2track analog machine and from the out of the machine back to cd (digital).
the intention is to get the analog warmth to the sterile digital recording, no matter how good/bad is your mix, this process will sweeten things up. im sure you know what im talking about. i know im sounding a bit too much here, but ive listened to this process and it works well.
andalso, i dont see anything wrong if this process is done after the mastering.
about the mastering charge, wouldnt you midn sharing here? or am i too special thus ill get some kind of special rate? if so just PM me. thanks. |
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| Mixboy2105 |
| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Thanks for the replies. Firstly, to set the record straight, I don't do mastering. Its a highly specialized field of audio engineering, and I always refer my finished mixes to a few trusted mastering engineers.
A proper mastering facility has to have a very accurate listening environment plus dedicated mastering equipment. In Malaysia, there are only a handful of mastering studios, so please beware of many who claim to do mastering (but probably are using some sort of presets on their computers) but don't have the necessary equipment or accuracy to do so.
| elmkids wrote: | | the intention is to get the analog warmth to the sterile digital recording, no matter how good/bad is your mix, this process will sweeten things up. im sure you know what im talking about. i know im sounding a bit too much here, but ive listened to this process and it works well. |
Ask any mastering enginner worth his salt, and he/she will tell you that mastering CANNOT help a bad mix. The analogy "polishing a turd" is the most common one used by writers when it comes to this matter. 
| Quote: | | andalso, i dont see anything wrong if this process is done after the mastering. |
I'd have to disagree. This is where so many get confused about mastering. Mastering IS the FINAL process. This matter has been discussed many times in almost any music forum, that a little Googleing will help you find the answers. 
Hey, hope I don't come across as overbearing in my post.  Would love to share a little of what I know with fellow musicians and like. Making a record is a joy that I hope to see more bands get the opportunity to do!!!
OK, to asnwer your last question. Mastering rates in Malaysia range from RM200-RM250 per song. Depending on the client's preference, I'd recommend Nick Lee (Sonique Productions), CL Toh (Kings Studio - Masterin One) or Fauzi Marzuki.
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| omarjamaludin |
| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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good post there jd! maybe one of these days should do an ibands lawatan sambil belajar to your studio he he
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| Mixboy2105 |
| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Wah... lawatan sambil belajar ke? Kalau rombongan besar, kena sell tckets man... PAnd to be safe, must get those under 21yrs to sign parent consent form LOLz
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| omarjamaludin |
| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| elmkids |
| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: |
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gosh..
you still dont get what i mean. of course, mastering cant do anything to shitty mix.. and of course the term 'fix in the mix' doesnt work if the recorded material is shite. the list goes on and on..
what i have been rambling is...this 'analog summing' will sweeten up the mix.. its kinda giving the analog warmth to the mix. and what im saying here has nothing to do with good/bad mix. all im saying is about GIVING THE ANALOG WARMTH TO COLD STERILE DIGITAL SOUND.
imagine this situation..
you record/mix your song with multi-thousands ProTools TDM system. then you think your mix is good enough..you've got very good balance covering all the frequencies spectrum. you love your mix very much.
Then, try to sync your TDM system to 2track (1/2 or 1/4) analog tape machine. what's the result? does it sound the same? you answer it. you must have experienced it.
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT GETTING 'MAGIC' FROM MASTERING OF BAD MIX, THIS IS ABOUT GETTING ANALOG WARMTH THRU THE TAPE.
The word tape from my first thread=doesnt have anything to deal with ANALOG eq or compressor in mastering stage.
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@I'd have to disagree. This is where so many get confused about mastering. Mastering IS the FINAL process. This matter has been discussed many times in almost any music forum, that a little Googleing will help you find the answers. @
<dude.. i dont know why you still insist talking about mastering.
imagien this situation..you got your digitally-not-so-good-mix which has already been mastered (try imagine butterfinger's debut album was recorded digitally). try doing the method above. will it get the analog warmth? anybody can tell me will this improve the sound or make it worse? technically, i still see it'll sweeten the sound. running through A-D conversion again will degrade the sound? i dont see it happening before 6-7 generations. unless you use those cheap sub rm500 soundcard. im not sure about this one.. correct me if im wrong.
thanks.
btw, if anybody still wanna talk about MIXING OR MASTERING.. im off. these 2things are out of question. |
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| okta |
| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: |
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I'm not asking u to go for mastering...
this CL Toh. he's a mastering engineer at king's studio
cltoh@tm.net.my
maybe u can contact him on wat u want to do.
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| elmkids |
| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| heh.. let me hijack this one.. ive talked to moktar (iseekmusic) a while ago about this guy. he also recommended him. does anyone know what does he use tho? |
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| Mixboy2105 |
| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Ah...the old digital vs analog debate has been dealt with countless times all over the world
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| okta |
| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| wat are u talking about jedi? |
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| okta |
| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: |
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i think i know wat he's asking......(if i'm not mistaken BTW...correct me if i'm wrong..)
some engineers does this...mixing a track....after getting a balance mix...the signal is then routed to and external device(summing amp, tape recorders, summing mixershttp://www.apiaudio.com/8200.html ....) this is not considered a mastering process or watsoever but just some engineer's preference over the sound of the amp or tape...some even argue certain tape have their own saturation sound characteristic....
just like some studios run their signal thru tape before going into their soundcards..just to get the tape saturation even/sound. |
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| elmkids |
| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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SPOT ON DUDE! im proud of you my fellow org taiping..
well, i started this thread bcoz last week i myself heard it. there's a song.. well-mixed on TDM system.. but when 'analog-summed' (sync with 1/2 tape machine) the track turned out magic! |
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