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| rg_x2n |
 Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: teruk sgt ker guitar dgn body agathis nie? |
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the yummy look of an LTD MH250... but with agathis body
aku cuma nak tanya, kenaper LTD dgn agathis body nie mahal sgt?
sebab, dalam price range dier, rm2500, kita dah boleh dpt mahogany, alder, even basswood. kenaper LTD x feature kan guitar series 250 diorg dgn kayu2 yg lebih dikenali nie eh?
adakah tone agathis high gred sama kuality dgn mahogany/alder/basswood within the same price range?
i know that agathis body is good for the money, tapi slalu price dier x cecah rm1500... LTD jer aku tgk, harga cecah rm2500 dgn agathis body...
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| Dufresne |
| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Agathis ni origin dia Asia, & then a few years ago it was discovered to have almost the same acoustically properties as mahogany, so kiranye dah ade cheaper alternative nak dpt tone mahogany with lower cost. Byk brand dah pakai kayu ni, like the Squier & Ibanez, esp those models that were/are made in Korea & China. Personally aku x kan ckp kayu ni x elok; it does sound like mahogany, but doesnt weight as much. But tone purist might agrue with that...
B4 this aku ade jumpe gitar2 of those brands yg pakai agathis, retaling close to Rm2k, but this was a while ago. So aku x terkejut sgt MH250 ni harge dia mcm tu. But then again it is under ESP...personally i always feel that some models r a bit overpriced. Somehow the philopsophy is also adopted by LTD, low end model pon dekat Rm1k. But the MH250 is ok la for the price... neck-thru, maple top lg, EMG-HZ, but i think some might say it's still overpriced, hehe...
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| rg_x2n |
| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Dufresne wrote: | But the MH250 is ok la for the price... neck-thru, maple top lg, EMG-HZ, but i think some might say it's still overpriced, hehe...
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yeah, i agree with you. harga dier tinggi maybe sebab spec dier yg lain like neck thru and EMG-HZ( tapi skang dah tukar, pickup ESP under EMG...). the stock hardware pun nampak btul2 baik. IMO, LTD hardware > ibanez/squier/dean dll...
yup, still overpriced. dari segi tone, aku ader dgr budak UK buat recording dgn LTD MH250NT, x silap aku, sound.... phewww, baieek! but, dier nyer rig pun gila babi ar, siap pakai amp XXX  |
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| SANGAP |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:18 am Post subject: |
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walaupon aku setuju pasal hardware esp/ltd terbaik,esp/ltd memang overpriced..lagik2 kat mesia!bagi aku yang price-value conscious ni la..padahal made in ehem2 takpon uhuk2 je.untuk fixed bridge/agathis die dah bleh dapat yang ade floyd rose/kayu best lain hoho camne tu
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| rg_x2n |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: |
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made in 'ehem2' is not an issue here... as long as dier berkuality, ok lah. china made pun ader gak yg high end dier.
believe it or not, ibanez prestige pun ader china made... hell yes. and the quality is superb IMO. aku dah tgk depat mata kat bentley 
take a look at this, a china made guitar...
and, vai signature acoustic also a china made...
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| okta |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: |
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dude,
for the LTD MH250 yg ko mention tu..
RM 1500 for the guitar
RM 1000 for the LTD logo..
total = RM2500
so, apa lagi mau komplen?!
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| silbi |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: |
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tu baru logo LTD
kalau upgrade jadi logo ESP, berapa pulak? hehe... |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Bagus ke tak bagus ni semuanya cuma persepsi.. tak ada fact of experiment result(maybe belum pernah jumpa) macam tone graph or whatever yang mengatakan agathis tak bagus.. cuma pasal dia murah dan persepsi org pada benda murah ni mmg streotype - tak sebagus yg mahal.
mcm dufrene cakap tu Agathis berasal dari asia.. nama melayu sebenarnya ialah Damar Minyak. Kayu terbahagi kepada dua - hardwood dan softwood dan agathis tergolong dlm kategori softwood. (Aku baca ni dekat website syarikat pembalakan 2-3 tahun lepas, dah lupa URL dia).
#kayu getah tergolong dlm kategori hardwood tp tak la sekeras kayu Meranti, cengal, merbau dan kayu hitam yang mmg boleh digunakan kan utk buat kapal..
dan mengikut kefahaman aku through pass reading, kayu yang menghasilkan tone yg baik mempunyai kadar resonant yang tinggi, dan tak semestinya kayu yg berdensity tinggi(berat) menghasilkan tone yg bagus. Tone lebih bergantung pada grain structure(urat) kayu tu yang dapat memindahkan resonant dgn berkesan dan kurang menyerap getaran.
Tapi aku still tak ada info tentang grain yg macamana merupakan yg terbaik..
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| rg_x2n |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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aha, jawapan yg baik nie izzi, bertambah la lagi pengetahuan aku arinie, thanks!
aper yg izzi kater tu ader point yg kuat. sebab aku plik, org dok kater agathis nie sucks, tapi xder proof yg detail.
well, kalo btul agathis nie murah dan baik, nak gak aku buat loan dgn AM bank, bli LTD MH tuh
kekkekeke, tapi impian aku nak bli kramer nak taruk mana eh..., seven strings pun nak bli gak satu |
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| rg_x2n |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| deadzid wrote: | dude,
for the LTD MH250 yg ko mention tu..
RM 1500 for the guitar
RM 1000 for the LTD logo..
total = RM2500
so, apa lagi mau komplen?!
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kekekekek, maybe lah. nnt aku nak p bli, aku pun nak jual nama, 'woit, aku nie sedara pak lah tau!!!, xkan xleh kasi 50% discount?' |
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| ZiNK |
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| gapster |
| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| ZiNK wrote: | | just knew my warlock is made of mahagony and not agathis |
which series is this ? only original bc rich and bc rich NJ series are made of mahogany...if so..where did you bought it ? i don't remember iron wood bringing in those
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