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Kurt_Kozam
PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:09 pm    Post subject: Mari upgrade gitar Reply with quote



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Apa yang perlu kita buat nak bg gitar kita sedap ikut selera?
Tukar pick-up?
Tukar neck?
Kalau gitar dah power tak yah wat pa per dah..
tp bagi mereka yg ada budgetary gitar cam aku nih, camano?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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bagi aku kalu gitar dah siap tu elok tukar pickup jek la... kang tukar bende2 lain kang tak ngam pulak... hehe!!! tapi kalau betul2 nak ikut selera buat custom guitar la.. baru best!!! kuikuikui!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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kalau nak upgrade gitar biasanya tukar pickup je la kot...
yg lelain tu kena tukar bila perlu / ikut kesesuaian...
the keyword here is "ikut selera"...

bridge: kalau setakat main lagu2 slow, takyah la nak upgrade bridge ke floyd rose ke hape... unless kalau lagu2 yg dimainkan banyak guna efx dive-bombing! atau riffing2 yg boleh kacau intonation gitar.. kalau main metal ganasz gile, locking tu penting jugak tapi leceh bila nak restring!

neck: bila frets dah buzzing, neck bengkok, kurang sustain, elok la tukar.. masalah buzzing pon maybe sbb fretwire je kot. anyway, ada yg tukar neck semata-mata utk keselesaan tangan pemain, ada yg tukar semata-mata utk kosmetik (nak inlays lagi cun, headstock terbalik, etc)... itu ikut selera masing2 la...

pickup: kalau budget gitar nih, biasanya pickup tu WAJIB tukar... pemilihan pickup pulak depends pada music style... single / humbucker, etc. Standard metal mesti mau pakai Seymour Duncan JB humbucker, EMG-81, etc... it depends pada individual.

secara keseluruhannya, yg menyedapkan sound gitar nih is the combination of pickups, material of the body, fretboard and neck. yg lelain tu cuma additional features / accesories utk kepentingan dari segi kosmetik atau kecanggihan - takde effect dari segi sound pon.

Ntah la, ini cuma pendapat aku je, aku pon tak pernah upgrade gitar... hahahha cakap mcm poyo je! Aku pon ada gitar murah gak, tunggu la kalau ada sen lebih sikit baru nak tukar pickup...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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aku pun berangan jugak nak tukar pickup.. tapi aku nak buat skali jalan je.. 3 pickup skali aku tukar ... senang skit.. takde la nak bukak gitar tu 2-3 kali ... hehe!!!

floyd rose?? ermm... mmg tension kalu nak restring ... paling cepat aku bleh buat pun setengah jam.. kang wat lelaju lain plak jadi... hahahaha!!! baik pikir 2-3 kali kalu nak pakai bridge nih... kena tali putus kat gig dah takleh main langsung.. abis lari tune sume... huhu!!!
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Kurt_Kozam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Bagi aku keselesaan semasa mencinncang gitar kita pun penting..feel semasa bermain tu penting.
saiz neck,berat body,string action and of course tone yg betul kita nak dgr keluar dari gitar kita adalah penting,semua ini bleh mempengaruhi feel waktu main...

bagi aku ,aku suka gitar yang saiz neck kecil,body yang tak terlalu berat and sound yang tak terlalu digital..masalah nya aku pakai zoom,dah tentu sound dia rasa artificial..tapi nak beli effect satu-satu mana termampu..so selain setting pada gitar,setting pada zoom dan amp juga amat penting IKUT SELERA KITA
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IZZI
PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Hi en. Kozam,

Apa yang kau sebut tu memang betul. Tapi pada aku, apa yang kau cakap tu macam saiz neck, berat body tu semua adalah perkara2 yang perlu ko tekankan masa nak beli guitar. Bab action, intonation dll tu terkandung dalam bab nak setup guitar.

Tapi dalam soal UPGRADE guitar, kalau kau dah beli satu budget guitar.. ini ada perkara yang ko boleh upgrade (ikut pendapat aku). Aku senaraikan ikut yang paling penting:

1.Machine Head/Tuner.
Ini paling penting. (Aku tak utamakan pickup sebab sound boleh tweak guna multieffect mcm zoom kozam tu) Kebanyakan guitar murah punya machine head tak stay in tune. Bila ko bend atau main tremolo, tune mesti lari. Bila ko tengah jamming dgn tune yang dah lari.. memang teling tak sedap dengar walaupun ko pakai Bill Lawrence custom pickup. Untuk tukar machine head yang branded macam Gotoh, Schaller, Grover dll, costnya lebih kurang dalam rm100 ke rm180.

2. Pickup
Guitar murah memang selalunya dilengkapkan dengan pickup yang bersifat microphonic (Middle tinggi+bass kurang+noise kuat). Tp nak tukar Pickup bukan main ikut orang. Ko kena tau sound apa yang ko idamkan. Buat kajian sikit kat internet, baca review dgn komen orang. Ada active pickup ada passive. Pickup active ko boleh control basic EQ pada tone knob(treble & bass). Haa kat website seymour duncan ada tone wizard yang boleh tolong ko pilih pickup yang sesuai dgn selera ko.

3. Electronic.
Electronic parts pada guitar murah biasanya low end dan menyumbang pada noise sound. Ko boleh tukar pot, jenis wire yang baik. Kos dia tak mahal mcm tukar pickup. Ko tau la.. pickup satu je pun dah cecah 3 rat.

4. Bridge / saddles.
Bridge yang murah pun boleh menyebabkan guitar sumbang bila ko guna tremolo. Besi bridge dan saddle yang berkualiti akan meningkatkan string vibration. Ini menyebabkan kualiti sound dan sustain bertambah. Nak tukar nut sekali pun boleh. Jenis material untuk nut pun menentukan quality bunyi.

5. Laquer neck.

Ni kalau ko dah takde benda nak buat dan duit terlebih, so boleh la ko laquer neck ko sebab guitar murah biasanya neck dia cuma sapu PLY (polyurithane) nipis je. Bila ko laquer neck, tone guitar akan berubah. Bunyi bass pada neck akan bertambah. Tapi tgk jenis gitar dan neck. Biasanya orang laquer pada neck dari kayu maple dan fretboard pun maple. So bila dah laquer tu , berkilat woo..!!

6. Tukar body.

Ini lagi la.. kalau duit byk boleh la buat sebab nak buat body bukan murah. Paling murah aku tanya kat GIM - Rm380 . Itu pun guna kayu meranti jer.. heheh.. meranti mempunyai character yang sama dengan mahogany. Kayu meranti dieksport ke europe dengan nama Borneo Mahogany utk buat perabot. Tapi meranti adalah kategori hardwood dan jauh lebih baik dari kayu agathis sebab kayu agathis adalah dari kategori botanical wood yang soft. Di Malaysia, agathis dikenali dengan nama Damar Minyak yang mempunyai density yang rendah. Kalau ko banyak duit ko boleh order kat internet dari US.. Warmoth.com dikatakan pembuat guitar componen terbaik dunia.

7. Tukar neck

hahahah.. bila ko sampai ke tahap ni bermakna ko dah totally tukar guitar baru sebab neck, body, bridge dan semuanya ko dah tukar. Jadi komponen guitar lama ko tu ko boleh assamble balik dan bagi kat aku sebab aku takde guitar! huhuuuu..

Sekian..
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sesungguhnya tinggi ilmu anda walaupun tidak mempunyai gitar...respect!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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saya pun respect ngan abang izuan.
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Bode
PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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izuanhafez wrote:
6. Tukar body.

Ini lagi la.. kalau duit byk boleh la buat sebab nak buat body bukan murah. Paling murah aku tanya kat GIM - Rm380 . Itu pun guna kayu meranti jer.. heheh.. meranti mempunyai character yang sama dengan mahogany. Kayu meranti dieksport ke europe dengan nama Borneo Mahogany utk buat perabot. Tapi meranti adalah kategori hardwood dan jauh lebih baik dari kayu agathis sebab kayu agathis adalah dari kategori botanical wood yang soft. Di Malaysia, agathis dikenali dengan nama Damar Minyak yang mempunyai density yang rendah. Kalau ko banyak duit ko boleh order kat internet dari US.. Warmoth.com dikatakan pembuat guitar componen terbaik dunia.




Selain dari GIM, ada any other ways aku nak cari body baru?
Kramer Striker aku(Humbucker/single/single with Floyd Rose) punya body dah retak kat Floyd Rose stud mounting.
Kalau ada sesapa nak jual body(body guitar la!) kat aku, sila la sound! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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ermm ada.. kat studio Classic A gombak. Nama brader tu GG. Entah2 bro Bode kenal dia sebab ada ada ajar cara2 membuat guitar dalam majalah Guitar n Bass. Kat sana mahal sikit tapi hasil kerja sangat baik dan memuaskan. Aku tak tau no contact dia tapi aku boleh tolong dapatkan..kalau nak bagi tau..
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Salam sherredders semua…

Ingin aku kenalkan diri aku… dah lama aku baca thread you guys it seems quite interesting so aku ingat nak join gak. The name Jengofett aku dah +/- 18 yrs mainguitar tapi tak gak bagus macam bode tu … hehehe… actually bode was my senior masa kat Sheffield dulu so sejak dengar demo dia way back in 94 terus bersemangat.
Musical influence mainly 80’s metal esp Metallica (Pre Black album), Dokken MSG, Loudness etc.

My tools now consist of 1992 Epiphone Les Paul Std (tobacco sunburst), Squire Stratocaster (XL Headstock) and an Aria Pro II, reverse headstock.

Sebenarnya aku nak citakan pasal Aria Pro II aku tu, way back in 88 someone gave it to me and it was my main tools tapi since 92 start study it was left in a store rumah parent aku …. Lupa aku pasal gitar tu…. Abis tu bila aku baca thread ko rang aku teerus cari gitar tu balik …. After 13 years it still there buried in tons of junk… abis semua terbarai …. The bridge gone, pickup terbukak etc etc.

Then I send kat member aku … infact he was my band advisor way back in 87-88, he was ex guitarist of wings… Tham… so my project now is to “ESP”kan Aria aku tu coz dia ada reverse headstock … so itu lah project aku… Sekarang aku nak respray kan guitar tu and some cement work need to be done…. Any body know where I can send guitar for respraying (other than GIM). Kalau boleh airbrush gambar Darth Vader cun gak….

So kalau ada mana mana tempat yg boleh suggest tu sound kat aku.


To Bode,

Tq for the inspiration and Wafa send his regards to you.
Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Sori aa kalau tak jawab salam tu...aku sesungguhnya bukan seorang shredder.....

kalau aku la....beli je guitar baru yang lagi besh....haw haw haw.... habis cerite....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jengofett wrote:
…. Any body know where I can send guitar for respraying (other than GIM). Kalau boleh airbrush gambar Darth Vader cun gak….

So kalau ada mana mana tempat yg boleh suggest tu sound kat aku.

aku tau satu contact - Julian Mokhtar
phone: 012-3899 435
email: julianmokhtar@hotmail.com

aku pernah contact thru email je. dia ada bagitau pasal finishing - starts from RM300 depends on finish type (solid, metallic, sunburst, etc). Tapi dia tak mention pulak pasal airbrush. Tapi kalau nak bikin airbrush, member aku ada lobang. Budak tu selalu bikin airbrush utk budak2 scooter.

o yeah, welkam to i-bands jengofett! btw, saya pon bukan shredder heheh!

izuan: haha semua ciri2 gitar murah yg ko senarai kan tu memang ada pada Samick Interceptor aku nih! ehehe tapi model nih dah discontinued, dia bikin Interceptor II pulak, dgn features lebih canggih (Grover tuners, dual duncan design humbuckers, hi-tech quilt top, locking trems/string-thru/fixed bridge - depends on model).. camtu banyak la modification yg kena aku bikin!! tapi tunggula biar aku main setahun-dua dulu baru start projek upgrading!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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aku pun mcm ridzi jugak... elok beli gitar baru jek... hehe!! kalau modified pun tukar pickup ngan finishing jek la kot... huhu!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Baguih sungguh cadangan korang semua...nnti aku cuba kat gitar murah aku
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