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IZZI
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Alternate fingering? Reply with quote



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Siapa yg gila alternate picking tu tgk ni dulu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7sLHbGREgg


anyway, apa cara terbaik utk cepat improve picking? aku tengok budak baru 2-3 tahun main guitar tapi picking dah perfect. Aku dah bertahun2 tak lepas2 lagi..

sapa ada tips yg terbukti berkesan?

problem aku ni bila seminggu tak main guitar, terus yg aku praktis 8 jam minggu lepas hilang begitu saja.. hehe..
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Haiiii Izzi mau picking laju ke perlahan...jgn laju sgt nanti cpt lumpuh mcm jason becker...huhuhhuhu...

aku pon kantoi lagi picking....tapi masa mula mula aku belaja picking lagu mamstin.....aku tgk video...
pastu member aku aja plak klu nak picking meletop mcm petrucci ngan gilbert kene main stail alternate ......klu ekonomi memang senang sikit la...sebab aku alternate pon baru belaja tahun ni..alternate ni maksud nye mcm picking berlawanan la...tak mcm ekonomi ko lepas down down lagi....klu alternate down pastu up...3 note per string....susah ....nak lagi senang main hammer la lagi pon jari ko kuat sb ko main fender...

ko tanyer Ultraman Father la ...dia ilmu tinggi...klu ko pernah jumpe org buat apijos pkai alternate memang power la mamat tu...

ok izzi babai
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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atok ko ke tu ery?

lestebiat.. tahnsk for the tips.. arpegeo alternate picking? perghh gilerr susah...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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aku penah tgk satu video dulu citer psl arpeggios ni.. the best way still sweep... tp ade gak cara yg pk alternate picking.. aku x brp igt.. aku rs us have to slightly palm for arperggio alternate pick ni.. tp still a pain in the #ss gak.. huhu.. aku mmg xkan bole la wat sweep tuh.. huhu.. len la main arpeggio mcm tips yg sham bagi tu.. mamsteen pun bleh nangis tuu.. ahahah...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kalo pasal picking ne, aku lebih suka pakai keadah Frank Gambale... ada alternet + sweep kalo tukar tali. So tangan tak membiasakan terlalu alternate.

look for Frank Gambale Monster Licks & Speed Picking,Modes : No More Mystery or Chop Builder. Saper suruh tengok video tu sampai abisss, celok part part penting dah ler... hahhaah.

Aku stuju dengan pendapat dia , picking not about speed , tapi picking is about consistency n accuracy. buat utk tempoh beat slow yang selesa secara marathon 2 or 3 jam. fokus kat consistency and accuracy. Then sampai tangan dan biasa dengan style picking baru lah kita cuba speed. biasanya speed akan terjadi secara semula jadi.

Kata diaa....
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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aku setuju tu tomen..
lagi pun frank gambale punya picking mmg giler..seketul2 note dgr..
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Bila tengok topik ni baru aku perasan yang dah lama aku tak exercise picking and finger practice..... no wonder asyik terkucil je.....

setju dengan slow picking dulu... then tambah speed sikt demi sedikit.... lagi cantik kalau ada metronome...... most multieffect pun ada metronome sekarang.... then, it helps for me
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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wan,ko nak alternate pakai pick ke atau jari mcm uncle tu?
nak laju kne mula dgn slow2 laa,mcm yg brader2 gitar kt atas suggest,
pakai metronome.
klo nak buku arpeggio frank gambale punye style,..mintak kt ery.
dulu aku dah bagi dia,entah dia guna ke tak.. Laughing
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mana aku letak,, nih,.. kena cari balik,,.. ngahahaha,.. aku baru nak start main arpegio,..nagaghahha
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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kalo ceta pasal picking ne biasa orang akan fikir cam mana nak bagi jari kuat seragam kiri dan kanan. Yea every body tau picking adalah pasal combination tangan kiri dan kanan. Bagi aku yang paling penting dalam cita traning picking ne adalah how kita traning our brain [otak]. nothing wrong about our jari tapi sebenarnya signal jer lambat datang dari otak. Semua nya pergerakan otot jari pun signal asalnya dari otak juga. Seperti yang aku pernah ceta tak kengkawan lain, asalnya dari permanian pingpong yang aku dok traning masa study dulu aku dapati dengan traning yang bagus, refleks akan bertambah, kengkadang belom terfikir how to return the bola, tangan kita dah buat keputusan sendiri. Tapi tak banyak cara selain dari keep traning n traning all the simple or comples thing again n again. Maybe aper yang boleh di suggestkan adalah the method of traning. Myabe just masa, kecekalan, minat n sebangainya jadi penghalang or pemberi semangat.

Aku ader beberapa tip pasal picking ne maybe nak kongsikan dengan kengkawan.

Warm up.
- rasanya macam main sukan, traning picking pun kene ader warm up. Ader macam macam. aku pun biasa stratch tangan and jari macam orang buat biasa. tapi kengkadang bila dah lama sangat scaling tu aku berinti and exercise jari. Buat lar aper aper cara warm up yang bagi otot release skit.
- kalo ader orang yang boleh tunjukan cara warm up jari or bhagian lain utk traning guitar, aku sangat berbesar hati nak dengar.

Soft picking.
- biasa kita traning picking, fikir nak improbe speed jer, pastu mula lah picking sekuat hati. nak cepat la pasal.
- ne part paling susah sebenarnya. Sebenarnya utk pekara ne kita traning kita punya ketepatan time picking. jangan guna beat laju sangat 120 or 140 bpm. Caranya mudah, try picking cam biasa, triplat, ker 16 note ker, aperjioes ker or aper jaer asalkan gunakan a very soft picking tapi beat tak lari.
- utk picking yang laju semestinya kita akan pick kuat. try soft picking dari beat slow and increase the tempo.
- bila u guna motion yang slow, kirang akan perlukan accuracy yang tinggi berbanding guna motion yang kuat.
- try pick paling soft tapi beat kene mantain.
- then try practice the same pattern dari soft picking to hard picking but still mantain the count.
- bagi aku this is antara yang paling berkesan.


Move ur kaki. ikut rentak dan irama.
- Aku tau biasa kita guna metronom or drum beat utk traning picking.
- we do the same thing over n over sampai ngantuk.
- amacam kalo cuba gerak skit kaki tu bagi ikut tempoh.
- Walo pun kita guna pendengaran utk count the beat tapi pergerakan otot lain seperti kaki or kepala or aper aper jer akan membantu kita maintain jari punya beat. Bagi aku hentak kaki kiri ikut snare or kanan ikut bass contohnya akan buat kita lebih mudah mantain the beat.
- AND yang paling penting adalah kiranya hentak kaki tu jadi satu habbit maka atas stage kita tak nampak macam tunggul kayu main guitar. kira ader juga kaki gerak.
- NExt time on stage, without metronom or sebagainya... u can still count the beat guna kaki.


Jangan terlalu fokus, do it selamberrr.
- selamber macam MIN. hehhehehe
- memang boring kalo dok traning the thing berulang n berulang.
- aper kata kita fikirkan benda lain but jari n tangan still main the scaling.
- even kita sendiri pun tak tau berapa kali dah ulang daaa.
- Ader berita baik WORLD CUP dah dekat. [ada kaitan kaaaa]
- Salah satu cara aku traning scaling triplet, 8 note. 16 not and bla bla adalah sambil mata aku tengok bola. jari buat scaling without fokus but mata sebenarnye fokus kat perlawanan bola tu.
- i even traning the scaling sambil dengar lagu, sambil melayan lagu gun n roses jari gua repeating the pettern sambil nyayi ikut lagu.
- pastu bila dah main bebetul tetiba rasa jari jadi cerdik plak cepat buat aper yang kita endak.
- jangan terlalu fokus, let the other side of the brain do the scaling work. Aku pun tak reti nak menerang daaa... part part serebrum otak ne... maybe doktor bode boleh bantu.
- perasan tak bila kita terlalu fokus kan nyebabkan kita make the mistake. Tapi kalo just main goreng n follow the heart jadi best plak.
- So just main dengan selamber. don take it to hard... hehhehe

[sampai sini jer tip bodoh aku hahhaha]

Enviorement picking traning GUA.
- aku tak traning pakai metronome sebanrnya... tik tik tik tok boleh buat aku tido.
- Bukan ler maksudnya pakai metronome tu tak baik tapi drum beat ne kurang membosankan dan ader banyak pettern, banyak jenis style rentak dan sebagainya.
- biasanya aku traning guna drum beat. Aku biasa guna Steinberg Groove Agent 2 or Band in box.
- sebabnya ader banyak beat yang berbeza boleh traning.
- sesambil traning tu biasa aku tak suka terlalu fokus n try fikirkan benda lain seperti tengok movie smallville yang download or cam biasa game bole.
- biasa aku ader guitar khas utk traning. Third guitar yang di install dengan tali besar gedabak dan tak kisah kalo calar balar. Aku suka traning dengan tali yang besar n action yang tinggi skit dari action guitar favorite aku.
- Pick guitar aku pakai jim dunlop Tortex® Sharp .73 mm, panjang mata dia dan memang susah nak picking. Kalo aku pakai shape biasa akan jadi sangat selesa. Saja menyusahkan diri sendiri lah ne.
- Biasa aku traning dengan clean guitar... tapi kengkadang pakai overdrive juga bagi bunyi sedap skit tak ker boring. tapi distortion biasa aku tak guna sebab tak leh dengar betul ker tak picking kita. Utk apergieo aku biasa traning clean channel, tapi aku test main dia kat dirty channel. Sebab traning apergios ne bukan pasal picking saja tapi lebih kepada muting technic. So utk gain tinggi senang nak dengar kalo muting kita tak bagus.
- alternet or sweep or fingering or double or taping and sebagainya sebanarnya semuanya penting. jangan forkus kat satu tapi semuanya biasa selari lah. Sebab memasing keadah tu ada dia punya feel tersendiri.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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wehh.. ini bagus ni.. mmg btol pun.. pk metronome aku ngantuk tp bile pakai drum beat.. niat asal dah lari.. asal2 nak train picking, jd train improvising.. sudah nyer aku shread bender2 ngarut.. huhu..

well, aku stuju.. lg2 bab kate picking slaber mcm MiN tuh.. huhu..

i guess bender nak kene disiplin tinggi.. kalo x, hurm.. picking 2-3 kali.. rs x best.. cabut kable.. tgk tv.. huhu.. aku lah biase mcm ni..
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ultraman_cosmo wrote:


Jangan terlalu fokus, do it selamberrr.
- selamber macam MIN. hehhehehe
- memang boring kalo dok traning the thing berulang n berulang.
- aper kata kita fikirkan benda lain but jari n tangan still main the scaling.
- even kita sendiri pun tak tau berapa kali dah ulang daaa.
- Ader berita baik WORLD CUP dah dekat. [ada kaitan kaaaa]
- Salah satu cara aku traning scaling triplet, 8 note. 16 not and bla bla adalah sambil mata aku tengok bola. jari buat scaling without fokus but mata sebenarnye fokus kat perlawanan bola tu.
- i even traning the scaling sambil dengar lagu, sambil melayan lagu gun n roses jari gua repeating the pettern sambil nyayi ikut lagu.
- pastu bila dah main bebetul tetiba rasa jari jadi cerdik plak cepat buat aper yang kita endak.
- jangan terlalu fokus, let the other side of the brain do the scaling work. Aku pun tak reti nak menerang daaa... part part serebrum otak ne... maybe doktor bode boleh bantu.
- perasan tak bila kita terlalu fokus kan nyebabkan kita make the mistake. Tapi kalo just main goreng n follow the heart jadi best plak.
- So just main dengan selamber. don take it to hard... hehhehe


2sen


hi ultraman,

aper yg selamber? muka aku ker?

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MIN yang selamber... BEST.
Finger work yang selamber... hahahahaha.
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