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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Cable story What, Why, How, Which, When... Reply with quote

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The Truth About Guitar Cords
By Craig Anderton


If a guitar player hears something that an engineer says is impossible, lay your bets on the guitarist. For example, some guitarists can hear differences between different cords. Although some would ridicule that idea—wire is wire, right?—different cords can affect your sound, and in some cases, the difference can be drastic. What's more, there's a solid, repeatable, technically valid reason why this is so.

However, cords that sound very different with one amp may sound identical with a different amp, or when using different pickups. No wonder guitarists verge on the superstitious about using a particular pickup, cord, and amp. But you needn't be subjected to this kind of uncertainty if you learn why these differences occur, and how to compensate for them.

The Cordal Trinity
Even before your axe hits its first effect or amp input, much of its sound is already locked in due to three factors:

Pickup output impedance (we assume you're using standard pickups, not active types)
Cable capacitance
Amplifier input impedance
We'll start with cable capacitance, as that's a fairly easy concept to understand. In fact, cable capacitance is really nothing more than a second tone control applied across your pickup.

A standard tone control places a capacitor from your "hot" signal line to ground. A capacitor is a frequency-sensitive component that passes high frequencies more readily than low frequencies. Placing the capacitor across the signal line shunts high frequencies to ground, which reduces the treble. However the capacitor blocks lower frequencies , so they are not shunted to ground and instead shuffle along to the output. (For the technically-minded, a capacitor consists of two conductors separated by an insulator—a definition which just happens to describe shielded cable as well.)

Any cable exhibits some capacitance—not nearly as much as a tone control, but enough to be significant in some situations. However, whether this has a major effect or not depends on the two other factors (guitar output impedance and amp input impedance) mentioned earlier.

Amp Input Impedance
When sending a signal to an amplifier, some of the signal gets lost along the way—sort of like having a leak in a pipe that's transferring water from one place to another. Whether this leak is a pinhole or gaping chasm depends on the amp's input impedance. With stock guitar pickups, lower input impedances load down the guitar and produce a "duller" sound (interestingly, tubes have an inherently high input impedance, which might account for one aspect of the tube's enduring popularity with guitarists).

Impedance affects not only level, but the tone control action as well. The capacitor itself is only one piece of the tone control puzzle, because it's influenced by the amp's input impedance. The higher the impedance, the greater the effect of the tone control. This is why a tone control can seem very effective with some amps and not with others.

Although a high amp input impedance keeps the level up and provides smooth tone control action (the downside is that high impedances are more susceptible to picking up noise, RF, and other types of interference), it also accentuates the effects of cable capacitance. A cable that robs highs when used with a high input impedance amp can have no audible effect with a low input impedance amp.

The Final Piece Of The Puzzle
Our final interactive component of this whole mess is the guitar's output impedance. This impedance is equivalent to sticking a resistor in series with the guitar that lowers volume somewhat. Almost all stock pickups have a relatively high output impedance, while active pickups have a low output impedance. As with amp input impedance, this interacts with your cable to alter the sound. Any cable capacitance will be accented if the guitar has a high output impedance, and have less effect if the output impedance is low.

There's one other consideration: the guitar output impedance and amp input impedance interact. Generally, you want a very high amplifier input impedance if you're using stock pickups, as this minimizes loss (in particular, high frequency loss). However, active pickups with low output impedances are relatively immune to an amp's input impedance.

The Bottom Line
So what does all this mean? Here are a few guidelines.

Low guitar output impedance + low amp input impedance. Cable capacitance won't make much difference, and the capacitor used with a standard tone control may not appear to have much of an effect. Increasing the tone control's capacitor value will give a more pronounced high frequency cut. (Note: if you replace stock pickups with active pickups, keep this in mind if the tone control doesn't seem as effective as it had been.) Bottom line: you can use just about any cord, and it won't make much difference.

Low guitar output impedance + high amp input impedance. With the guitar's volume control up full, the guitar output connects directly to the amp input, so the same basic comments as above (low guitar output Z with low amp input Z) applies. However, turning down the volume control isolates the guitar output from the amp input. At this point, cable capacitance has more of an effect, especially of the control is a high-resistance type (greater than 250k).

High guitar output impedance + low amp input impedance. Just say no. This maims your guitar's level and high frequency response, and is not recommended.

High guitar output impedance + high amp input impedance. This is the common, 50s/60s setup scenario with a passive guitar and tube amp. In this case, cable capacitance can have a major effect. In particular, coil cords have a lot more capacitance than standard cords, and can make a huge sonic difference. However, the amp provides minimum loading on the guitar, which with a quality cord, helps to preserve high end "sheen" and overall level.

Taking all the above into account, if you want a more consistent guitar setup that sounds pretty much the same regardless of what cable you use (and is also relatively immune to amplifier loading), consider replacing your stock pickups with active types. Alternately, you can add an impedance converter ("buffer board") right after the guitar output (or for that matter, any effect such as a compressor, distortion box, etc. that has a high input impedance and low output impedance). This will isolate your guitar from any negative effects of high-capacitance cables or low impedance amp inputs.

If you're committed to using a stock guitar and high impedance amp, there are still a few things you can do to preserve your sound:

Keep the guitar cord as short as possible. The longer the cable, the greater the accumulated cable capacitance.
Cable specs will include a figure for capacitance (usually specified in "picofarads [pF] per foot"). If you make your own cables, choose cable with the lowest pF per foot, consistent with cable strength. (Paradoxically, strong, macho cables often have more capacitance, whereas light weight cables have less.)
Avoid coil cords, and keep your volume control as high up as possible.
Don't believe the hype about "audiophile cords." They may make a difference; they may not. If you don't hear any difference with your setup, then save your money and go with something less expensive.
Remember, if you axe doesn't sound quite right, don't immediately reach for the amp: There's a lot going on even before your signal hits the amp's input jack. And if a guitarist swears that one cord sounds different from another, that could very well be the case—however, now you know why that is, and what to do about it.

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Cables - Signal loss - Buffers
There is a lot to say about cables, quality, affect on your signal, etc. I'll try to explain the fundamentals of guitar and speaker cables, signal loss and the help of buffers.

One important note: never use a guitar cable for speaker connections and vise versa!


Guitar cables
The output signal of a passive electric guitar is weak (high impedance) and directly influenced by the capacitance of cables and the impedance (resistance) of the used effects and amplifier inputs. When you only use a short guitar cable of high quality you won't notice much signal loss. But when you use several effects and longer cables, the loss is apparent for most people. Typical signs are loss of highs (brilliance), less clarity, weak low end, mediocre attack, etc. To prevent this low capacitance cables should be used, in combination with a way to change the high impedance signal of your guitar to low impedance.

For normal guitar cables the most important factor regarding the signal loss is the capacitance of the cable. This is measured in pF per metre or feet. If the capacitance of the guitar cable is high then you will notice that your guitar lacks some presence/highs. Sounds a bit like you've turned your tone control on your guitar down a fraction. Because capacitance is directly related to the length of the cable, the longer the cable the more noticeable the signal loss becomes.Now there are some guitar players who love the way their guitar sounds with long guitar cables, but I rather have this factor over my sound more in control. Due to the low power nature of the guitar signal, resistance is not really a factor.

A standard guitar cable has a capacitance of aprox 120 pF/m, a good cable has a capacitance below 100 pF/m and a high quality guitar cable has a capacitance below 50 pF/m. So a standard guitar cable of 6 metres has a capacitance of 720 pF, while a high quality guitar cable would have a capacitance of 300 pF. How important are these figures? Well connect a guitar cable of one metre between your guitar and amp and then change it with a cable which is 6 metres. Most guitar players will notice the difference.

What can you do to prevent signal loss? Well there are several options:

Live with it,
1. Buy extremely expensive low capacitance gold/silver audio cables,
2. Buy active pickups for all your guitars,
3. Buy on board preamps for each guitar you own,
4. Buy an effect pedal which slightly boost the signal,
5. Buy a unit which changes the impedance, such as the VHT Valvulator,
6. Use a cable with a built in buffer.

Option 2 is a pretty nice solutions if you are a purist, but will cost you a fortune. The most cost and signal affective solutions are 3-7. They all change the impedance of the guitar and "protect" it against signal loss. Changing the impedance does not have to influence your sound, sometimes they are designed to boost the signal as well with some extra volume.

Because options 1-6 all had their down sides for me, I worked on a cable with a built in FET buffer placed in the jack that goes into the guitar. That way all my guitars have a buffered signal and I don't have to modify anything. The signal has improved a lot: besides the restored highs, I also noticed the clarity was much better, the attack more defined, the low end became powerful and the response of the volume knob was better. But best of all, when compared to a short high quality cable there was no change of my sound or the volume! For more information on the buffer, check the Briljant Box Custom & Reactive Cable and the Guitar Signal Buffer page at the schematics section.

Shielding
To prevent noise, hiss, radio interferance a good shield is vital. Especially when you run them next to adapters, mains cables, transformers, etc. Never use cables with foil shielding, they will make a lot of noise. Although the "armoured cable" does an excellent job in shielding, the quality of the cable it self is quite poor, so do some research before you spend money on hoaxes.

Materials
Most cables are made from oxygen free copper (OFC). Many high quality cables use silver and gold. The difference in conductance between copper, silver and gold won't be noticed too much. The main advantage is the way they react to oxygen. Silver and gold are more prone to to this and this prevents the cable from getting "rusty".

Cores
It's preferred to use a cable with two cores and a shield, like a standard mic cable. They can be soldered semi symmetric which is the best way to prevent noise. For more on this topic see the Cable Wiring - Semi Symm page.

Connector
Always use high quality (jack) connectors from brands like Neutrik or Switchcraft. They are designed to survive road abuse. There is nothing more irritating then unplugging your cord and finding out that the tip of the connector broke off and is still in the amp.



Speaker Cables
With guitar signal cables, the capacitance was the most important factor, with speaker cables the resistance of the speaker cable is the key factor. Which is measured in most cases in Ohm/100 m or in Ohm/km. Anything from 6 Ohm/km is good.

Speaker cables are different from guitar cables. They have no shielding, but two thick cores. The more power your amplifier produces the thicker the cores have to be. For normal guitar amp use a 16 gauge cable would be a good choice. For minimum signal loss it's recommended to use 12 gauge speaker cables for 100 watt amps or longer speaker cables. The resistance of a 16 gauge cable is more then doubled, compared to a 12 gauge cable. Using even lower gauge (thicker) cables wouldn't give much more benefit. And finding suitable connectors will be quite difficult.

When you open a Marshall speaker cabinet you'll notice they use very slim cables. Upgrading to 16-12 gauge cables will improve the sound of the cab. Bogner for example uses 12 gauge for internal wiring of all their cabinets.

There are a wide variety of speaker cables available. When you buy it, keep a few factors in mind:

Gauge (how thick is it)
Resistance
Materials
Ease of use
A lot of people who are on a tight budget use lampcord as speaker cable, although this is a far better choice then a guitar cable, it's not really designed for such use.
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Thoughts on cable design and sonic performance:

As a general rule, cables with fewer strands or with solid conductors let more of the signal through and are more open and defined sounding than those with more strands. A two conductor (twinax) or four-conductor (quad) typically provides improved signal response over a single conductor/shield (coax) design due the return signal being carried over better quality metal that is further inside than using the shield of a coax cable for the return signal.

Low capacitance is important in a good sounding cable but not the only factor that has a significant impact on how a cable performs sonically. Several advances have been made that include using conductors made of copper or silver that is extremely pure or an alloy of copper and silver, and solid versus stranded cable designs to improve sonic performance. Two main things in cable design have a significant impact on reducing capacitance: 1. the size and type of the dielectric - typically large foamed polyethylene (PE) works best to reduce capacitance. 2. Reducing the number of strands used or using a solid conductor.

For many, many years mass produced copper coax has been the standard for guitar and instrument cables as well as speaker cables in the Music Industry. Many smaller companies have arisen in the last 20-30 years that have sought to improve upon this basic design. Hi-Fi enthusiasts have known for more than 25 years the benefits of good quality cable and it has only been in the last 10 years or so that the Music Industry has become more keenly aware of good high-end instrument and speaker cable as well as power cord. As a result of more complex designs, increased use of raw materials, and shorter production runs, these smaller companies have higher production costs than large companies such as Belden, Gepco, Canare, and Mogami who manufacture millions of feet of stranded copper coax (as well as hundreds of other types of cable) a year. So, as with many other innovations in music equipment and gear, good high-end cable will typically cost more than mass produced copper coax.

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bro

aku baca cincai je article ni, tapi nak check betui ka understanding aku ni, i.e.: - " Using a 'speaker cable' as a 'guitar cable' would be a better option? "

pasal kalau macam ni kena convert speaker cable hi-fi aku lah...hehe...tak guna beli cable guitar mahal2 tu...

btw - if you guys are into hi-fi too...some of the above points are basically common points debated in searching for sonic nirvana...
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Speaker Cables
With guitar signal cables, the capacitance was the most important factor, with speaker cables the resistance of the speaker cable is the key factor. Which is measured in most cases in Ohm/100 m or in Ohm/km. Anything from 6 Ohm/km is good.

Speaker cables are different from guitar cables. They have no shielding, but two thick cores. The more power your amplifier produces the thicker the cores have to be. For normal guitar amp use a 16 gauge cable would be a good choice. For minimum signal loss it's recommended to use 12 gauge speaker cables for 100 watt amps or longer speaker cables. The resistance of a 16 gauge cable is more then doubled, compared to a 12 gauge cable. Using even lower gauge (thicker) cables wouldn't give much more benefit. And finding suitable connectors will be quite difficult.


Dari pemahaman aku, spec dan ceta pasal audio cable pasti sentiasa sama. tapi perbezaan utama adalah capacitance lebih diambil kira utk cable guitar berbanding ohm [pada speaker cable] utk per kaki.

Ciri ciri lain hampir sama.
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