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| hafizshapiee |
 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: what scales they use?? |
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salam wat sume i-bands... hohoho .. lama x online nie..maklum la.. baru je habis matrik mgu lpas
ok...saya buka thread ni sbb nak thu scales pe yg selalu dipakai oleh artis2 atau band seperti berikut:
1.Yngwie malmsteens
2.Versailles (band dari jepun)
3.Dragon force
4.Metallica
no.5 dan seterusnya tu... ikut cita rasa sume i-bands yg mahu kongsi ilmu
tpi korg leh tambah2 la.. kita kongsi pendapat kita tentang penggunaan scales, lagi2 la mcm saya nie yg still newbie.. nak thu gak mcm mne nak guna scales... tpi klu leh bgtau la yer yngwie guna scales pe and versailles guna scales pe?? sbb t'ingin gak nak wat lagu mcm band versailles nie... leh tahan sdap la lagu diorg... harap sume otai2 i-bands dpt bantu saya dan org2 yg bru dlm gitar nie... so, pls help me guys!!! 
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| hafizshapiee |
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| jibraun |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:09 am Post subject: Re: what scales they use?? |
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1.Yngwie malmsteens - Harmonic Minor !!! Yay....
2.Versailles (band dari jepun) - Hizaki pun pakai Harmonic minor byk
3.Dragon force - Tak tau..minor major gak kot
4.Metallica - Lagi tak tau...
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| hafizshapiee |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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hmmmm, harmonis minor nie.. dlm gitar pro de x?? hehehe...
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harmonis dalam guitar pro takde la bro..
harmonic ade kot.. heheh
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| wiwit |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: what scales they use?? |
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| jibraun wrote: | 1.Yngwie malmsteens - Harmonic Minor !!! Yay....
2.Versailles (band dari jepun) - Hizaki pun pakai Harmonic minor byk
3.Dragon force - Tak tau..minor major gak kot
4.Metallica - Lagi tak tau...
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mostly metal tune in harmonic n melodic minor...but depends on melody construction...mcm yngwie lebih suka guna harmonic+diminished arpeggios time speeding...but the melody is almost refer to the classical...Cuba dgr lagu2 beethoven n JS Bach...pastu dgr lagu malmsteen..ibarat classical di 'metal'kan....
-Versailles aku rasa more on harmonic minor...tp ada juga running chromatic scales n main ngn mode spt dorian,mixolydian bla2...
*aku rasa sume gitaris xkan hadkan lagu or composition dorang base on scaling......depend on melody n mood yg dorang create..... |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Pada gua,
- kalo nak master the scale, jangan lupo belajar progression nya juga.
- sebab chord progression sentiasa kena seiring dengan scale nak pakai nya.
- Berbeza, kalo kita belajar mula mula dulu, start chord Am, goreng la Am sampai abis.
- Once u boleh perbagaikan progression, maka nanti tak la cramp sangat otak kena main pada scale Am jer.
- maybe dari Am scale, tukar jadi Am harmonic kejap or tukar ker melodic minor kejap, or maybe ker scale lain.
- benda ne not imposible, tapi kena la kita faham progression nya. dulu
Tapi kalo nak practise single scale,
- itu cara permulaan yg betul.
- emamng kena ambik masa nak faham the scale, pattern dia, neck area dia.
- Drum machine + bass or chord biasanya lebih syok.
- Ada jamtrack, or backing track pun syok juga.
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| hafizshapiee |
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| ultraman_cosmo wrote: | Pada gua,
- kalo nak master the scale, jangan lupo belajar progression nya juga.
- sebab chord progression sentiasa kena seiring dengan scale nak pakai nya.
- Berbeza, kalo kita belajar mula mula dulu, start chord Am, goreng la Am sampai abis.
- Once u boleh perbagaikan progression, maka nanti tak la cramp sangat otak kena main pada scale Am jer.
- maybe dari Am scale, tukar jadi Am harmonic kejap or tukar ker melodic minor kejap, or maybe ker scale lain.
- benda ne not imposible, tapi kena la kita faham progression nya. dulu
Tapi kalo nak practise single scale,
- itu cara permulaan yg betul.
- emamng kena ambik masa nak faham the scale, pattern dia, neck area dia.
- Drum machine + bass or chord biasanya lebih syok.
- Ada jamtrack, or backing track pun syok juga. |
waa.. thx sume, tpi klu de penambahan leh tambah lagi la ya....
tpi bro cosmo.. de soaln ckit nie..
saya ni bginner.. jdi nak thu pe mksud chord progression tu.. and cth.. kasik simple2 punya cth ckup la kot.. hehehe.. sorry klu soaln ni mcm soaln remeh..
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| hafizshapiee |
| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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eternal: alamak.. salah taip... hahaha
jeeli: wooo.. ok... thx bro.. ti sy donload n try.. hehehe
witwit: thx bro...
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | waa.. thx sume, tpi klu de penambahan leh tambah lagi la ya....
tpi bro cosmo.. de soaln ckit nie..
saya ni bginner.. jdi nak thu pe mksud chord progression tu.. and cth.. kasik simple2 punya cth ckup la kot.. hehehe.. sorry klu soaln ni mcm soaln remeh.. |
Chord progression.
- Kita tau, beberapa notes akan perform jadi chord.
- maka beberapa chord pula akan perform jadi progression.
- Pregression chord adalah sequence beberapa chord.
- Biasanya kita tulis dalam huruf roman.
I-IV-V dalam key C
- Cmaj- Fmaj - Gmaj.
- So if u sedang training guna Cmajor Scale, U kena main the scale over this chord progression.
- Kena fikir aper lagi scale or mode yg u boleh main over the whole pregression.
- Dan ada juga boleh fikir aper lagi scale for every single chord dalam the whole scaling.
Contoh 1
- Play the Cmajor scale over I-IV-V dalam key C.
- And try pula F lydian over I-IV-V dalam key C.
- And try pula G mixiladian over I-IV-V dalam key C.
- Yg penting walopun setiap note nya adalah sama, tapi mode akan color the progression menyebabkan ada perbezzanya.
Contoh 2
- Play the Cmajor pentatonic over I-IV-V dalam key C.
- And try pula Fmaj pentatonic over I-IV-V dalam key C.
- And try pula Gmaj pentatonic over I-IV-V dalam key C.
Contoh 3 (major scale all the way)
- Play the Cmajor scale over I = Cmaj Chord
- And try pula Fmajor scale over IV = Fmaj Chord
- And try pula Gmajor scale over V = Gmaj Chord
- In this case, anda sebenarnya main major scale dalam 3 root/key berbeza.
It is not about, berapa banyak scale yg u boleh main or ingat.
- ia adalah berkaitan dengan pemahaman anda tentang scale over the chord progression.
- Just tau the scale, tapi kita tak faham bila nak pakainya adalah sesuatu yg useless.
- U tahu A dorian mode, tapi u still main base on Em minor scale utk semua chord chord lagu tu.
- tak salah, tapi kita akan faham Em scale jer la.
- What we need adalah, macam mana kita boleh faham A dorian macam kita faham Eminor scale.
- to do that, kita perlukan pregression nya.
Link
http://www.hotfrets.com/songanator.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_progression
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/chord_progressions.php?scch=C&scchnam=Natural+minor+triads+i-ii*-III-iv-v-VI-VII&get2=Get
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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bro cosmo: pe mksud dgn "I-IV-V dalam key C" ???
hmm and pe mksud bro dgn " So if u sedang training guna Gmajor Scale, U kena main the scale over this chord progression."???
ok.. saya agak keliru gak baca nie...
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| hafizshapiee wrote: | bro cosmo: pe mksud dgn "I-IV-V dalam key C" ???
hmm and pe mksud bro dgn " So if u sedang training guna Gmajor Scale, U kena main the scale over this chord progression."???
ok.. saya agak keliru gak baca nie... |
- anyone, plz help me explain.
- maybe ayat korang lebih mudah difahami.
Pembetulan
- Cmajor, bukannya Gmajor, my fault.
So if u sedang training guna Cmajor Scale, U kena main the scale over this chord progression."???
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Ermmm...biar aku cuba tolong...
Chords progression cth dlm C major:
I ---> IV---->V
C---> F----->G
mula2 kira dr C coz kita main dlm key CM.
C D E F G A B
I ii iii IV V vi vii
*yg roman besar adalah major kord...yg kecik is minor kord
Bila kita main scale dlm C Major,semua notation natural (xde #,b, dim,Aug bla2). Sebab dlm key signature CMajor semuanya natural.
bila kita main dlm GMajor, x semua note natural...ia akan jadi G,A,B,C,D,E,F#,G....
-lepas tue kita kene tau relative between major n minor...
Cth:C major relative ngn A minor
*so kedua2nya sama...semua note natural...
-Try main progression I,IV,V dlm C Major....pastu solo dlm C major n A minor....Automatik bunyi akan masuk (xde clashing time solo)...tue kira konsep progression chord yg related dgn scales..
P/s:try google2 'key Signature'...aku x tau nak explain cmne....tp bila kita tau key signature dgn progression chords,ia akan lebih membantu kita dr terkehel bila solo...
-sori kalo info yg aku bg x clear....agak ssh gak nak explain...maybe kene dok sama2 minum kopi kot...haha |
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Thank. wiwit.
| Quote: | | P/s:try google2 'key Signature'...aku x tau nak explain cmne....tp bila kita tau key signature dgn progression chords,ia akan lebih membantu kita dr terkehel bila solo... |
- circle of fifth adalah keadah yg terbaik utk kenal key signature.
- But jangan dok hafal the cycle of fifth ajer.
- kena tau amacam mau guna, belajar amacam it work, dan belajar amacam nak draw the circle.
- banyak benda yg boleh diterangkan oleh cycle of fifth, termasuk relative minor.
- ahli mana yg # for flat dalam satu key.
- berapa banyak ahli yg sharp or flat.
- dan macam macam lagi.
Off topic, sebab pertanyaan awal thread ne adalah what scale diorang main.
Try search for this book.
- Tom Kolb - Chord Progressions
- faham faham la mana mau carik the pdf.
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