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| ouraida |
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Dragonforce biasanya pakai pentatonic.. dorg pakai natural minor jg tp biasanya yg create melody trademark dorg 2 pentatonic..
Metallica lebih byk variasi.. ofcourse scale yg biasa kirk pakai pentatonic dgn natural minor jg..
tp metallica pny kod progression jauh lbh complicated (in d old days la skg xtau sd mcmn).. so ikut kod progressionla.. option mudah main arpeggio or any kind of arpegggiated runs (prkataan curi dr marty friedman)..
tp problem dgn kod progression yg break dr normal progression ialah susah mau cr atau main licks yg sdp atau melodic (klu arpeggio ja boring jg kn  )
so how metallica/kirk does it is really sumthin amazing!! aku rs mcmn pn ganjilnya kod progression 2 tp klu kt sd biasa kt bleh improvise better.. 
so keep on practising, keep on playing, learn songs, improvise, rock n roll.. ouraida!! 
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| hafizshapiee |
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hmm, thx guys... and like bro cosmo said.. back to the topic.. scales!!! but thx for the help.. maybe saya cuba utk fahamkan dgn sbek mgkin.. or try jumpa otai2 kat area Muar... adeh.. payah lak nak cari otai kat sini... hohohoh 
ouraida: natural minor ni pe yerk??
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| jibraun |
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| hafizshapiee wrote: | hmm, thx guys... and like bro cosmo said.. back to the topic.. scales!!! but thx for the help.. maybe saya cuba utk fahamkan dgn sbek mgkin.. or try jumpa otai2 kat area Muar... adeh.. payah lak nak cari otai kat sini... hohohoh
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Natural minor tuh Minor yg biase kot
Am - B - C - D - E - F - G
Am = Root/permulaan key
B C D E F G
2 3 4 5 6 7
Mcm nih kot...
Hahaha
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| gearmetalhead |
| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| wiwit |
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| jibraun wrote: | | hafizshapiee wrote: | hmm, thx guys... and like bro cosmo said.. back to the topic.. scales!!! but thx for the help.. maybe saya cuba utk fahamkan dgn sbek mgkin.. or try jumpa otai2 kat area Muar... adeh.. payah lak nak cari otai kat sini... hohohoh
ouraida: natural minor ni pe yerk?? |
Natural minor tuh Minor yg biase kot
Am - B - C - D - E - F - G
Am = Root/permulaan key
B C D E F G
2 3 4 5 6 7
Mcm nih kot...
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ok aku tolong lagi sikit lagi.....NATURAL is basically no accidentals spt xde sharp(#), Flat(b) bla2.......bila dlm scales, notes yg dlm key signature akan di 'natural'kan .
cth: kalo d minor ada key signature 'Bb'.... so scalenye=D,E,F,G,A,Bb,C#...then bila tukar ke d natural minor akan jadi D,E,F,G,A,B,C#....
Am mmg xde accidentals coz dlm key signature mmg xde..(refer kat circle of fifth yg pak kusmur inform).....
hope dpt membantu....hehe |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Am = Root/permulaan key
B C D E F G
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Tak boleh tulis Minor natural scale dalam number tersebut.
- as kita tahu ia adalah mode ke 6 dari mode major scale.
- Always numbering the chord base on major scale.
Formula A natural minor scale adalah.
Formula : 1 - 2 - b3 - 4 - 5 - b6 - b7
Ahli : A - B - C - D - E - F - G
Formula A harmonic minor scale adalah.
Formula : 1 - 2 - b3 - 4 - 5 - b6 - 7
Ahli : A - B - C - D - E - F - G#
Formula A melodic minor scale adalah.
Formula : 1 - 2 - b3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7
Ahli : A - B - C - D - E - F#- G#
Formula A major scale adalah.
Formula : 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7
Ahli : A - B - C# - D - E - F# - G#
Kalo kita tulis 1-2-3-4-5-6-7
- ia dah jadi Amajor scale.
- hanya major scale sahaja yg tiada #or b pada numbernya.
- Aku belom sampai penerangan numbering utk scale pada thread sticky berkaitan dengan note, number dan roman number.
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| ouraida |
| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| wiwit wrote: |
cth: kalo d minor ada key signature 'Bb'.... so scalenye=D,E,F,G,A,Bb,C#...then bila tukar ke d natural minor akan jadi D,E,F,G,A,B,C#....
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Errr.. key signature ni ak mmg xtau lgsg.. hehe
Aku bkn ny ada bljr music theory.. hehe.. tp bg aku natural minor tu diatonic la (correct me if im wrong:wink:).. sorila aku xpandai explain.. bacalah pak kusmur pny explaination..
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| jeeli |
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huh .. bnyk info ni .. nak tanya la ...
kalu nak start major scales biasa guna jari mana? .. jari telunjuk atau hantu ?
sb kalu minor scales, pentatonic tak de masalh ... (pada aku sj) guna jari telunjuk , bila nak major tuh agak keliru ... maksud nya kalu guna jari telunjuk bila masuk tali ke5 ada masalh skit , kena lari jauh skit aa ...
tgk kat youtube , mat saleh tuh suh praktik kan jari telunjuk tiap2 key root ...
tak kira la nak start apagios , etc ..
betul ke ? atau ada cadangan apa? ...
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Tak kisah mana jari yg kena ada pada root.
- yg penting anda tahu kat mana root and other number utk scale tersebut.
refer to the gambarajah
- kesemua pattern tersebut adalah Amajor scale pada fret board guitar.
- utk pattern A, middle finger la sesuai.
- utk pattern B, index finger.
- utk pattern C, little finger or ring finger.
- depend la kedudukan pattern mana kita nak main.
- tapi utk latihan pilih la mana mna pattern yg kita mudah ingat dan sesuaikan dengan finger mana nak start utk root.
Bila sampai tahap kita master the whole fretboard, root boleh berada di mana mana fret or string.
- terpulang la kepada aper pattern kita suka main.
- maybe sebab aku play ikut mode, maka root note pada gua akan berubah setiap kali tukar chord or progression.
- lain orang lain keadah pemahamannya.
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| hafizshapiee |
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hmm.. ok mcm fhm ckit.. scales ni leh x gabung..? cth keys die C.. saya amik c major pentatonic la katakan... leh gabung dgn scales pe?? ke gabung dgn relative die? mcm mne nak cam relative die ???
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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| hafizshapiee wrote: | | hmm.. ok mcm fhm ckit.. scales ni leh x gabung..? cth keys die C.. saya amik c major pentatonic la katakan... leh gabung dgn scales pe?? ke gabung dgn relative die? mcm mne nak cam relative die ??? |
- that is music all about.
- kita boleh campor scale itu dan ini, chord itu dan ini.
- tapi kita kena faham la amcam mau campor nya.
- pentetonic + cromatic, tu biasa orang buat.
- Cuma jangan campok benda yg sama dah la.
- Cmaj pentetonic + Am pentetonic = tak der faedahnya.
- pasal note utk kedua duanya tetap sama juga daaa.
Maybe aku perkenalkan satu scale, nama dia
Composite blues scale.
- composite blues scale ne adalah gabungan dua scale blues tapi berbeza root nya.
- C blues + A blues = C composite blues.
- As kita tahu blues ne unik. major pun tak minor pun tak.
- So kita tau utk Cmaj dia punya relative minor adalah Am.
- So kita gabungkan Cblues dan Ablues scale menyebabkan kita dapat lagi banyak note utk melody.
- Damn susah juga nak layan ini composite scale.
- http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/issue/2009/Jan/Improvising_for_Stronger_Blues_Lines.aspx
- http://www.jeanmarcbelkadi.com/Composite.html
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| hafizshapiee |
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haaa... bru fhm ckit... ok2... mknanya kit gabungkan scales leh la.. tpi klu mcm gabungkan Cmaj pentatonic dgn Am Pentatonic mmbazir masa sbb note kedua2 scales nie sama gitu..??
tpi mcm mne nak gabung scales?? kne ikut key signature sekali ke?? ke kita gabung ikut scales tu.. asal de yg patter kita leh tukar ke scales len kita tukar.. mcm tu ke bro cosmo??
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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mix the scale,
- membawa maksud banyak pekara.
1. gabungkan 2 scale berbeza jadikan satu scale baru.
- biasanya berlaku bola kita gabungkan scale yg sikit notenya utk hasilkan scale yg lebih banyak notenya.
- contoh macam blues composite scale diatas.
- kata la kita ada chord progression key Am.
- Am-Gmaj- Fmajor.
- Anda boleh gabungkan kesemua ahli pentetonic utk setiap chord tersebut utk hasikkan ur new scale or scale guide.
- Am pentetonic + Gmaj pentetonic + Fmaj pentetonic.
- harap tahu, major pentetonic dan minor pentetonic adalah berbeza ya.
- Of cos ia akan masuk key pasal gabungan semua pentetonic tersebut = Am nyer scale.
2. pengunaan beberapa mode or scale over a chord or progression.
- lebih kepada cara pengunaan scale mode contohnya.
- kata la kita tengah main E5 power chord.
- maybe bar pertama kita play E minor scale over E5 chord, the dikuti i bar dengan E phrygian dan bar seterusnya E harmonic minor.
- Apa yg penting adalah kita kena tahu aper lagi scale, sama ada mode major scale, or mode dari melodic minor,or alternate scale or, exotic scale yg boleh masuk kepada curtain chord or progression.
- u need alotta experience dengan scale scale over chord n progression.
- The scale tak trus campor jadi new scale.
- Ia lebih kepada kemahiran pengunaan scale yg berbeza tapi pada chord dan progression yg sama.
3. Adding or replace new harmonic note to the scale.
- Sound macam kita alter the scale yg sedia ada.
- Contoh kita ada pentetonic minor scale.
- formula 1-b3-4-5-b7 > Ada 5 jer not nya.
- now kita add sedikit note bukan dari scale tersebut supaya a sound a bit complex
- Antara 1-b3 kita boleh add note, b2 dan 3.
- Antara 4-5 kita add 4# [ne macam blues scale]
- antara b7-8[root octave] kita boleh add 7th
- So now kita boleh create satu scale baru
- formula 1-b2-2-b3-4-4#-b7-7.
- now kita ada satu new scale dengan 8 note yg berasal dar pentetonic minor.
- we add tension/cromatic note kepada minor pentetonic utk hasil scale baru.
- kadang kadang kita add passing note to the scale.
- Contohnya Am pentetonic scale.
- A-C-D-E-G note nya.
- if kita nak move dari A ker D note, kita boleh singgah ker D# or Db sebelom stop ker Dnote.
- if kita nak move dari A ker Enote, kita boleh singgah ker F or Eb sebelom stop ker Dnote.
- maksudnya anda boleh singah kat note half step flat or sharp, sebelom anda berenti kat mana mana note dalam scale tersebut.
- In this case, kita tak kata the note belong to the current scale, ia hanya dipinjamkan sebagai passing note.
Persoalan gua.
- boleh ka anda nak memahami campoq campoq scale ne pada hal anda belom menguasai the single scale method.
- So ada baiknya kita kuasai satu scale contohnya major or minor scale dulu.
- if kita faham chord, how to extend or alter, maka makin banyak scale kita boleh match.
- Chord-scale ne macam tangan kiri dan tangan kanan, sentiasa membantu sama lain dalam improvise the music.
- tangan kiri dah laju giler babas, tapi tangan kanan nak petik terkial kial sure tak jadi juga.
Jenaka guitar player.
- i have extra one finger utk shred.
- tapi malu nak tunjukannya kat fret board.
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| hafizshapiee |
| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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single scale method ni mcm ne??
ade x lagu2 mcm dari metallica ke pe ke pakai method nie??
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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| hafizshapiee wrote: | single scale method ni mcm ne??
ade x lagu2 mcm dari metallica ke pe ke pakai method nie?? |
- pakai satu scale jer laaa.
- kalo main Em, fikirkan Em scale jer... itu jerr.
- belajar CAGED, srudy the fretboard logic.
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