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| gbonE |
 Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:12 am Post subject: |
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aku rase ko da sikit pening ni
Kenapa LP or RG or Strat menghasilkan tone yg berbeza bukan sebab wiring/electronic circuitry 100%..
semua sebab gitar dan pickup itu sendiri..kalau ko nak relate antara POT ngan sound produce,baru ko bole tgk 250k or 500k ohm yg ko pakai
unless..ko nak bezakan antara RG model A n RG model B
baru la ko jumpe kot beza dia
tp kalau stakat connectivity..pd aku..Tone n Volume pot tu untuk ko controll/expand penggunaan pickup ko
ko nak set strat ko ade vol b tone pot for each pickup..boleh je..tp sound dia tetap sama..xlari jauh pon
cuma ko ade extra knobs la nak main
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:58 am Post subject: |
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dude...
AFAIK i did not mention anything about comparing tone between guitars..
i only mentioned about comparing TYPICAL WIRING for those type of guitars that using H-H configuration.. using LP & RG as an example is the easiest way of understanding...
As we learn from PakCik KOSMO here... every details that we've done would give impact to our sound... no matter how small it is...
My question here is simple...
''Does connecting 2 pickups to 1 pot would make any difference than only connecting one pickup?"
and
"Will it compromise the pot value?"
Since you've had answered my questions there... then i have to believe you... 
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| eniQma |
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Jiro wrote: | ETERNAL : ke nak aku tanya bapa aku? hahahaha (ada kisah di mana ETERNAL di ajar oleh bapa saya how to do the wiring)  |
woooo...plot cerita ini bertambah menarik...
ada twist yg tak klise...
teruskan..
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| eniQma wrote: | | Jiro wrote: | | ETERNAL : ke nak aku tanya bapa aku? hahahaha (ada kisah di mana ETERNAL di ajar oleh bapa saya how to do the wiring) |
woooo...plot cerita ini bertambah menarik...
ada twist yg tak klise...
teruskan.. |
haha jiro... lecture pasal 3 way switch jer dah dekat setengah jam.. hah
The moral of the story jgn melawan cakap orang tua..
discuss takpe... haha... tambah2 yang ade PHD...
mau berselirat kepala aku nak jawab soalan die... hahah
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| gbonE |
| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: |
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uhh sori dude..kadang aku pon tersilap baca
penuh dgn words ni membuat aku pening..hahaha
Adeiii..wiring diagram push/pull on TONE x jumpe lg..
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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you could just proceed with the diagram... push pull on volume doesn't seems so hard unless you frequently control your volume... hehe..
kalau nak buat jugak.. maybe ko boleh ubah sikit diagram tu..
push pull & pot part sebenarnya adalah dua part yang berbeza...
tugas pot volume adalah untuk mengawal volume...
dan tugas push pull adalah sama ada (refer diagram)
1. Untuk menyambung kan wayar merah & putih untuk meng'activate'kan Humbucker...
ataupun
2. untuk menyambungkan kedua dua wayar tersebut ke'ground' untuk meng'activate'kan north coil & mematikan south coil...
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | ''Does connecting 2 pickups to 1 pot would make any difference than only connecting one pickup?"
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"Will it compromise the pot value?" |
- Soalan yg bagus sebenarnya
- Jika volume diangap sebagai voltage divide circuit.
- Ia takan memberi banyak beza sama ada kita guna share volume or independent volume.
- Sama ada 2 pickup trough satu volume or hanya 1 pickup trough satu volume.
Perbezaan antara 1 pickup or 2 pickup melalui satu volume.
- tak memberi effect aper aper kat pot.
- dan pot pun tak der effect sama ada jumpa satu pickup jadi lain, or jumpa 2 pickup jadi lain.
- Perbezaan nya adalah lebih kepada electric value setiap pickup yg digabungkan.
- As kita tahu, setiap pickup ada dc resistancenya, ada capasitan nya dan ada inductance nya sendiri.
- If kita buat connect parelel 2 pickup, ia akan menyebabkan the whole circuit dah berubah.
- total resistance, total capasitan can total inductance yg masuk kat volume pot dah tak sama macam kalo hanya satu pickup.
- kebiasannya kita lebih risaukan pasal freq phasing, yg menyebabkan output drop, or pickup membatalkan cirtain freq akibat gabungan dua pickup tersebut.
- Ia tak der kaitan dengan the volume or tonepot secara langsung.
Jika pickup combo neck dan bridge gabungan terbaik.
- ia akan less phase, biasanya pada humbuker.
- Telinga kita akan dengar, neck, or bridge or both sound equal, dan maybe ada mix caractor.
- maybe gabungkan neck dan bridge seolah olah habungan gabungan kedua duanya.
Single coil
- biasanya pickup single coil ne mudah phase.
- contohnya gabungan bridge + middle tak sama dah bunyi macam midle sahaja or bridge pickup sahaja.
- Ini disebabkan akan ada freq dibatalkan disebabkan direct mixing macam ne.
- Tapi walo cam mana pun ia bukan disebakan oleh volume pot value ker aper.
Yg penting sekarang adalah pot ne sebagai pemungut cukai.
- Dia tak kisah , berapa banyak company u gabung, termasuk anak syarikat ker aper.
- Sebab dia kan pungut ikut persent.
External.
- Yg gua tulis 90% 85% dan bla bla tu bukan la ukuran yg betul.
- aku just nak wakilkan number supaya kita boleh bezakan mana yg lebih or mana kurang, or mana paling kurang.
Wiring tu sendiri la biasanya effect amacam overall tone bunyi.
- kita boleh wiring sesiri or parelal.
- Sesiri biasanya kita dapat more output.
- tapi perelal biasanya depand antara perbezaan resistance, inductance dan capasitan 2 pickup tersebut.
- yg penting sekarang amacam kita wiring the pickup switching, sama ada perelel or siri, pekara ne lebih banyak effect berbanding combination of volumes and tone pots.
- Contoh switching dibawah.
- gabungan neck an middle pickup utk sesiri dan perelal utk strat hansikan output dan overall tone berbeza.
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| gbonE |
| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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aku yg semakin pening..haha..anyway thanx cosmo!
full of knowledge n facts..aku need time study balik those things
aku mmg lemah n boring bab electrical component nih
thanx so much
@ETERNAL: mcmane nk terbalikkan push pull kat tone..any idea?aku seriusly lemah
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Kalau anda lihat di gambarajah dari laman sesawang semour duncan... (cewah.. bahasa jiwa bangsa)..
cara penyambungan adalah sama sekali seperti yang tertera..
kecuali beberapa bahagian..
Dalam gambarajah tersebut...
- 'push pull switch' (suis tekan tarik) berada diatas 'volume pot'..
- wayar putih dan merah (middle humbucker wires) disambungkan pada kaki tengah 'push pull'...
- kaki bawah 'push pull' dipaterikan pada bawah 'volume pot' untuk 'ground' kan dia...
Untuk mengubah Push Pull ke 'tone pot'.. ketiga2 benda diatas mesti diubah..
- 'push pull switch' berada diatas 'tone pot'
- wayar putih dan merah (middle humbucker wires) disambungkan pada kaki tengah 'push pull'...
- kaki bawah 'push pull' dipaterikan pada bawah 'tone pot' untuk 'ground' kan dia...
Kalau bab sound tone... no comment.. ni config yang aku ingat2..
sebab aku ade penah tengok kat mane website ntah..
encik ultraman.. kalau salah tolong betulkan ye...
kalau nak gambarajah.. mintak enigma tolong edit.. haha TQ
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Senang jerr. adussss
Step 1
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=HSS_1v_1t_5w
- mula dengan terpikal HSS wiring ne.
- Just install push n pull utk tone pot.
- memang la tak bleh nak solder cap pada belakang pot tone.
- So solder la satu kaki cap ker sisi casing pot tersebut.
- satu lagi kaki cap solder ker pin 2 tone pode macam biasa ikut wiring diatas.
- lain semua sama, siapkan semua wiring, just nak buat circuit coil tap jer lagi.
- ikut semua ini diagram, kecuali cap solder to sisi body pot tone. Sebab atas tone ada switch push pull.
Red and white solder together.
- Nak buat coil tap sebenarnya, hanya perlu connect both red and white to ground jer.
- Se simple ABC.
Step 2
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=coil_splitting
- dalam gambarajah diatas, reffer to slug inner diagram.
- Solder both wire red and white pada tengah pin switch pull push.
- and solder pin 3 switch pull push ker ground.
Hanya perlu solder 2 pekara ne jer, yg lain anda dah wire dalam step 1.
- Settle, itu jer bang.
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| eniQma |
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| gbonE |
| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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ok...aku x jumpe..anyone can help me to get those?kirim sape2 yg nk g bentley tuh bole x?then post ke aku..hahaha
500k,push pull,long shaft
huhuhu
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| gbonE wrote: | ok...aku x jumpe..anyone can help me to get those?kirim sape2 yg nk g bentley tuh bole x?then post ke aku..hahaha
500k,push pull,long shaft
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aku bley tlg, brp bj nak
kalo nk yg 2nd pon ader sbj,
aku nk cabut dr gtr aku
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