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| sungaipelong |
 Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: Gibson.. LP original vs LP imitation/fake/replica? |
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Salam semua,
Nak tanya sikit melalui pengalaman,pengetahuan anda..bagaimana nak kenal atau nak tengok gitar Gibson LP ni ori ke replica ke?ada guideline x utk checking bende2 ni?ke hanya tgk pada harga semata?
sbb sya tgk dlm mudah.my byk gila gibson LP ni dijual..harga dlm 1.6-1.8k,,adakah itu replica?dekat blakang headstock tu ade gak cop MIA dan serial number  ..pastu ada yg harga lebih 6k..so mcm mana nak check ke 'authentic' kan dan ke 'original' an gitar tersebut?
sori klo soalan ni dh ditanya sebelum ni.. 
hehe sya mg buta gibson,xtau nak tgk mana ori ke x..klo mahal je ori la kut.. 
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Hi bro,
mungkin link ni boleh membantu
http://guitarless.com/2010/05/buyer-beware-fakegenuine-les-paul-photo-comparison/
tapi tak semetinya semua les paul copy ada ciri2 yang mcm tu sebab kilang berbeza untuk setiap les paul copy.
'fake' les paul bukan les paul copy. fake les paul comes with Gibson and les paul signature which copy Lp doesnt.
Pada aku, orang yang jual fake les paul tu bukan cuba untuk menipu as long as harga dia murah dalam 1k lebih, sebab itu dah dikira mendedahkan bahawa guitar yang dijual adalah fake les paul.
Aku adalah jenis orang yang kalau beli guitar copy, tak akan ubah logo tu jadi kononnya guitar tu genuine.
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| sungaipelong |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Bro IZZI : terima kasih atas penerangan dan link tu..mg detail skalidia kasik..baru tau camne nak tgk..byk jugak yg boleh kita check,dr neck sampai ke knob position..thanks bro..baru la ade ilmu skit nak pi beli LP pasni.. <--berangan
tp skali tgk rupe luaran hampir sama je,hehe..klo nak detail kene check betul2 la kan..  |
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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ada lagi satu, boleh check no ssiri les paul kat sini utk check dia dibuat kat mana http://www.guitardaterproject.org/gibson.aspx
Les paul spec ni berbeza ikut tahun2 tertentu. Tanya la mana2 brader yang pakai Les Paul, diorang mesti lagi tau. Nnt kalau ko dapat something nnt ko jgn lupa taip kat sini. In future senang orang nak refer balik..
apa2 info ttg guitar kat mudah tu kalau ko beli nnt, tolong share kat sini biar ramai orang boleh baca.
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| babloo |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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hai bro...berikut antara HOW TO SPOT FAKE GIBBY..
Byk lg carannya..ex: ,nut,tuner,logo,strap button..(minor je la)
cuma yg paling besar skali serial number,Sebelum beli yg "used"pastikan ambil serial number,gambar headstock dpn belakang.E-mail kan ke Gibson Customer Service.Mereka akan jwb dgn cepat.(aku pernah antar byk soalan,jwpan diorg agak cepat).....Bila,hari apa,warna apa,jenis pick up,material semua dgn detail.(itu pun kalo gitar tu masih 'stock' la)
Berat pulak bergantung pd jenis dan model dan tahun..
Ada yg chambered ada yg cheese..ada yg full bodied.Mcm tu gak dgn neck profile..Ada yg leper,ada yg mcm baseball.Bergantung pd profile 50's , 60's , atau 59 rounded(tak besar tak leper)..
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| sungaipelong |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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bro IZZI : sya xbeli pon,just wondering..sbb xtau pasal gibson LP ni sgt..tp link serial number tu sgt2 membantu bg sesiapa yg nak beli LP di kemudian hari..
sya amek no serial gibson LP 017528XXX di salah satu gambar dlm mudah tu..ni jawapan dia
Guitar Info
Your guitar was made at the
Nashville Plant, TN, USA
June 20th, 2006
Production Number: 228
Gibson: Nashville
Gibson’s Nashville plant was opened in Tennessee 1974. All electric models and some acoustic models currently made at this factory. This facility has an average production rate of 220 guitars a day. Each guitar is built by hand and takes about 4 to 6 weeks to complete. Note: Most hollow and semi-hallow body guitars are made at a separate plant in Memphis Tennessee. This facility has an average production rate of 40 guitars a day.
tp harga gitar tu xlebih pon Rm1.6k..too good to be true?
bro babloo : thanks bro for sharing..ohh byk lg gak eh cara dia..neck profile kene yg betul2 terer ni dgn LP,,yg chambered,cheese tu sume camne nak tau?kene bawak pegi scan camtu..hehe
tapi ape2 pon kene check secara detail dgn menggunakan tips2 yg ada..dr headstock,cover truss rod,fret binding etc..sbb serial number pon masih boleh di copy kan jugak..
xjadi masalah bg yg beli dan tau itu adalah replica LP dgn harga rm1.5k-1.8k,tp yg kene tipu..beli mahal2 rm6-8k rupe2nya replica..tu yg xnak tu..   |
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| babloo |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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sg pelong> semestinye org yg nak buat replika tu akan ambik info dr mana2 source contoh e-bay.Dia akan buat serial no& finishing yg sama.Sbb tu kt tgk dr berbagai sudut.Serial tu sbg guide line ko nak tau model,tahun etc.Dr situ ko akan tahu pickup ape.So refer pulak gitar tu pickup apa.Biar spec sama.(kalo gitar tu msh stock)Ex;neck angle,placing fretwire dgn binding.
Psl body x perlu smp scan x-ray smua.ketuk dgn jari pun bole,ada part2 dia akan rasa kosong utk yg bukan full bodied.Semua tu tak penting.Yg penting tone nye msh les paul.Kecuali la pd purist.Mana nk cari les paul vintage 58,59.60 skrg nie.
Kalo tak silap weight releif bermula dr tahun 85/87.
P/S..Kalo nak beli yg 'used' tunjukkan gambar kat sini,kt share dulu.Bole la kwn2 tolong .Pastikan anda tidak tertipu
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| eniQma |
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| salammmm |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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tumpang tnya....apa bezanya ori ngn replica ni...
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| salammmm wrote: | | tumpang tnya....apa bezanya fake ngn replica ni... |
sama je. Kecuali bagi yang kata replica=copy.
fake: Gitar Gibson LP, headstock sama, label sama, bentuk sama, siap kertas-kertas warranty apa semua tu, tapi bukan dibuat under Gibson punya kilang.
copy: Bentuk ikut Gibson LP, tapi headstock logo ikut logo kompeni sendiri. Macam Orville LP, Greco LP dll
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| babloo |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| oRden wrote: | | salammmm wrote: | | tumpang tnya....apa bezanya fake ngn replica ni... |
sama je. Kecuali bagi yang kata replica=copy.
fake: Gitar Gibson LP, headstock sama, label sama, bentuk sama, siap kertas-kertas warranty apa semua tu, tapi bukan dibuat under Gibson punya kilang.
copy: Bentuk ikut Gibson LP, tapi headstock logo ikut logo kompeni sendiri. Macam Orville LP, Greco LP dll |
Ya aku sokong...Fake tu TIPU..Replica tu COPY..
Tp pembukaan thread nie di ajukan dgn soalan 'REPLICA'..tp bila baca2 seolah2 mcm mengajukan soalan mcmana nk kenal fake.. 
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| babloo wrote: | | oRden wrote: | | salammmm wrote: | | tumpang tnya....apa bezanya fake ngn replica ni... |
sama je. Kecuali bagi yang kata replica=copy.
fake: Gitar Gibson LP, headstock sama, label sama, bentuk sama, siap kertas-kertas warranty apa semua tu, tapi bukan dibuat under Gibson punya kilang.
copy: Bentuk ikut Gibson LP, tapi headstock logo ikut logo kompeni sendiri. Macam Orville LP, Greco LP dll |
Ya aku sokong...Fake tu TIPU..Replica tu COPY..
Tp pembukaan thread nie di ajukan dgn soalan 'REPLICA'..tp bila baca2 seolah2 mcm mengajukan soalan mcmana nk kenal fake.. |
hmm aku kurang setuju sikit ar...
sebagai meng"QUOTE" kata2 ETERNAL...ini lebih logik
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this is my own understanding.. it may not be true..
copy - when you copy the design but doesn't follow everything exactly as per original...
imitation - when you directly copy everything as per original one and even it might look & sounds like original still consider pirate...
replica: when you try to copy the exact looks of the product but whether it have quality or not.. that is another side of the story.. as look it looks EXACTLY the same...
so in this case IMITATION is totally illegal...
Replica doesn't exactly illegal unless you breach the copyright law.. such as branding...
copy is on the safe side.. but still the law could be twisted by man coz it is created by man
flame me if im wrong. TQ |
 source http://i-bands.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12791
i mean between replica dgn copy
Fake bermaksud Imitation...(sekali pandang nampak mcm betul punya tp bila check betul betul ada cacat cela dia..mcm handbag LV kat sogo tu yg ori punya...sama je ngan kat Petaling street...LV jugak ahaha tp qualiti tarak)
Replica bermaksud dibuat semula (contoh Frankenstrat EVH tu...wayar tekluar pickup mati finish suma sebijik...dan dapat kelulusan dari pihak yg tertentu but sometime ade jugak tak ahaha)
Copy sama dengan Kopi...ahaha
ehem Copy sama ngan meniru ( contoh SX GG tu, ESP eclipse kan sama mcm Gibson LP..sama tp x serupa)
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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hahaha..
eniqma.. kalau nak quote pun.. edjas2 sket aku punya typo tu.. haha...
tak payah la nak ambil serius sgt ape aku tulis2.. its internet after all..
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| ETERNAL wrote: | hahaha..
eniqma.. kalau nak quote pun.. edjas2 sket aku punya typo tu.. haha...
tak payah la nak ambil serius sgt ape aku tulis2.. its internet after all.. |
haha
btw kalo tajuk thread nih...GIBSON ori vs tak ori lg seswai kot huhuhu
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| babloo |
| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| eniQma wrote: | | babloo wrote: | | oRden wrote: | | salammmm wrote: | | tumpang tnya....apa bezanya fake ngn replica ni... |
sama je. Kecuali bagi yang kata replica=copy.
fake: Gitar Gibson LP, headstock sama, label sama, bentuk sama, siap kertas-kertas warranty apa semua tu, tapi bukan dibuat under Gibson punya kilang.
copy: Bentuk ikut Gibson LP, tapi headstock logo ikut logo kompeni sendiri. Macam Orville LP, Greco LP dll |
Ya aku sokong...Fake tu TIPU..Replica tu COPY..
Tp pembukaan thread nie di ajukan dgn soalan 'REPLICA'..tp bila baca2 seolah2 mcm mengajukan soalan mcmana nk kenal fake.. |
hmm aku kurang setuju sikit ar...
sebagai meng"QUOTE" kata2 ETERNAL...ini lebih logik
| ETERNAL wrote: |
this is my own understanding.. it may not be true..
copy - when you copy the design but doesn't follow everything exactly as per original...
imitation - when you directly copy everything as per original one and even it might look & sounds like original still consider pirate...
replica: when you try to copy the exact looks of the product but whether it have quality or not.. that is another side of the story.. as look it looks EXACTLY the same...
so in this case IMITATION is totally illegal...
Replica doesn't exactly illegal unless you breach the copyright law.. such as branding...
copy is on the safe side.. but still the law could be twisted by man coz it is created by man
flame me if im wrong. TQ |
source http://i-bands.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12791
i mean between replica dgn copy
Fake bermaksud Imitation...(sekali pandang nampak mcm betul punya tp bila check betul betul ada cacat cela dia..mcm handbag LV kat sogo tu yg ori punya...sama je ngan kat Petaling street...LV jugak ahaha tp qualiti tarak)
Replica bermaksud dibuat semula (contoh Frankenstrat EVH tu...wayar tekluar pickup mati finish suma sebijik...dan dapat kelulusan dari pihak yg tertentu but sometime ade jugak tak ahaha)
Copy sama dengan Kopi...ahaha
ehem Copy sama ngan meniru ( contoh SX GG tu, ESP eclipse kan sama mcm Gibson LP..sama tp x serupa) |
Mungkin jugak..
Yg betulnye tajuk thread nie yg pusing
Betul kate eniqma tajuk tu patut Gibson ori vs tak ori atau mcmana nk tau ori ke tak
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