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| sha_eddie |
 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:55 am Post subject: [Soalan] Nak mula rekod Bass gitar guna Simulasi Amp |
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Hello! Kepada Otai2 I-bands....
Bagaimana nak merekod bass gitar supaya dapat meghasilkan bunyi yang mantop dan mudah untuk kerja2 pada level Mixing nanti....
1. Gain structure?
2. Volume terbaik untuk rekod bass?
Terima Kasih... |
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| huzai |
| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| sha_eddie |
| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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oh!
Volume plak camne yea? Ikot sedap telinga untuk balance dengan drum atau ada standard or best db utk rekod bass ni... |
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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dan kena make sure bass punya tone mmg sedap dan sesuai dgn music... lagi senang kalau bass yg ade built in pre-amp (pakai bateri) sbb bleh tune ikut sound yg kita nak...
volume ko bedal je la, jgn cecah 0.0db sudah... tapi jgn slow sgt... at least kalau signal dia optimised, bleh cut volume tu masa mixing.
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| sha_eddie |
| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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kalau nak record bass better kalau sound die..
Boom2 ker
bang2 ker
boing2 ke
ketang2 ke?
Actually better sound bassy, boomy, mid, treblish?
sebab aku rasa kalau bass sounds bassy time record mcm susah nak mix...
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| sha_eddie |
| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Maroon 5 lagu baru dia....Bass camtu kategori ape?
"Boom" ke? Camne nak dpt type camtu nye mix...
Ade sesiapa nak bagi tips Channel Strip untuk bass...ape plug korang pakai..Perlu ke letak limiter kat bass strip ni? |
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| sha_eddie |
| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Bump!
4 of you...Check your PM i sent link for you all to give some feedback...
Aku tak tau la ape korang nye genre tapi aku rasa korang ni open mind in music genre rite?
So do check and throw some good knowledge..to Me!......
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| Mixboy2105 |
| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Recording bass (as in with all other instruments) is about choosing the appropriate sound that fits in the context of the mix. Unlike drums and guitar, bass is often deemed as less glamorous and often deserves a lot more attention than it gets.
A good solid bass recording helps to anchor the mix, giving it weight and depth. A good example; for heavy distortion guitars to work it needs to go hand-in-hand with a well balanced and well defined bass track. Take away the bass in any modern rock/metal mix and the entire thing goes weak and limp.
OK, now to the methods and considerations:
The main factors I would consider would be musical style (I abhor the term genre), which in turn dictates tone character. 90% of rock styles can be covered using either a passive Fender Precision or Jazz Bass. Perhaps you'd want a more modern, active bass sound ala Warwick, Ibanez, Musicman etc. My preference has almost been passive basses.
Next would be whether or not to use an amp, DI or a combination of both. I prefer to use both a miked bass amp and a good quality DI (with transformers). I'd choose either a 1x15 or 2x10 will do. Cabinet size in this case is deceiving. A close miked bass amp only 'sees' one speaker cone. It's pointless to utilize an 8x10 in the studio unless you have a sufficiently large room. The ultra-low end extension offered is achieved by the means of acoustic coupling and only happens several metres in front of the speakers. Useful on a large concert stage, but in a smaller acoustic environment, a smaller cab will project much better.
Some of the more modern basses have a plethora of switches, knobs and dials related to EQ, mid-scoops and other "tone sucking" circuitry. I'd stay away from these. Almost 99% of bassists I've met and recorded agree that keeping it simple and having "less in the way" results in far superior tone.
I always say that it is a good investment to get one (or two) good DI boxes, preferably passive, transformer-based type. Some people argue that you can get away with just plugging straight into the instrument input of the interface, but running through a DI always ensures a less 'lossy' signal chain, matching impedances and avoiding ground loops. Having a DI also enables you to split the signal (via Link outputs) so you can use the above miking approach.
Try as much as possible, to record the tone YOU WANT to disk. It's good engineering practice to learn how to dial in tones and COMMIT to disk/tape during the recording stage. You may wish to use a compressor in-line to the inputs, but with a good bass player, 99% of the time it won't be necessary. The less processing
As for gain structure, don't record too hot into your converters. Aim for average levels of -18dBFs. That's usually around ONE-THIRD to about HALF of most digital scale meters. ***YES, THAT LOW!!!***
In the DAW, I will usually phase align the two signals by delaying the DI track till it sounds best. A phase-alignment plugin tool such as the Little Labs IBP comes in handy here.
Lastly, always remember that the choice of sounds must always serve the song, not the other way around.
Have fun in the process.
Enjoy.
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| sha_eddie |
| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Jedi! Nice explanation...
The problem is always in a case to cut the unnecessary bass freq and gain transparency between Kick and Bass..How to avoid muddiness between them and at the same time fit them in the mix and get the most cleaner brighter tracks and smile  ...??????
In my case i do had a lot of notes in a short time.
So how do i compress it?
-Hard knee or soft knee?
I want it to be Big bass sound?
-Slower attack or Fast attack?
-Slower release or fast release?
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| Mixboy2105 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| sha_eddie wrote: |
The problem is always in a case to cut the unnecessary bass freq and gain transparency between Kick and Bass..How to avoid muddiness between them and at the same time fit them in the mix and get the most cleaner brighter tracks and smile ...?????? |
I think the word you are looking for is "separation".
A main source of the problem that I find occuring with home/project studios is the lack of accurate monitoring and proper room acoustics. This leads to excessive use of EQ boosts/cuts to make up for what one is hearing, which in turns leads to mix balance problems. Any amount of processing will NOT cure this problem.
Your speakers need to be telling you what's going on and the room that you work in mustn't affect it too drastically. Without these two key elements, anything method(s) will be pure guesswork.
Simple acoustic treatment is not expensive. Good monitors do. But a little goes a long way. Spending money on these two will make a far greater impact on the quality of recordings/mixes done than any micpre/compressor/microphone etc. This goes for ALL sounds, not just bass.
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:15 am Post subject: |
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ait tukar usaername kah? huhuhu
btw tq for info!!
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| sha_eddie |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: |
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"I'd rather listen to a mid-fi system in a high-end room than a high-end system in a mid-fi room, any day." - Arthur Noxon [Award winning upgrades for high performance Audio]
For ear sake!..Well i thought is enough to have a dedicated speaker and good sound card...but the treatment seems so important to get the right and the sweet spot..
Going to spent for bass trap this very soon... |
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