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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: bro Reply with quote



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Jiro wrote:
mau tanya lagi la.... apa maksud GATE <----

dan, reverb nih guna nya macam mana? ada gak try experiment dgn preset tapi cam lagi memburuk kan lagu je

leh kasi explain dan example tak


Mostly reverb ko kena apply pda semua sound untuk dapatkan natural sound depend on berapa byk signal & situation lah.
Walaupon reverb ni pada asasnya nampak mudah,tapi technically poning pale dan kena berhati2 sbb menatang ni sedikit tricky.Silap2 mcm dalam gaung lah sound kita nanti.

At least mula2 ni ko kena tau certain function dalam reverb mcm Predelay, reverb time, reverb damping & EQ.

Tekan 1 untuk Mengenali Reverb
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: hoho Reply with quote



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hohoho mmg benar kata bro, nampak ja mudah, tapi susah. tul tuh, bukan dalam gaung, dah macam dalam gua yg takda pintu kuar masuk, ntah camne bole ada dalam gua pun tatau hahahha

apa beza stereo bus dgn surround bus? sama ke function depa?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: bro Reply with quote



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Jiro wrote:
mau tanya lagi la.... apa maksud GATE <----

dan, reverb nih guna nya macam mana? ada gak try experiment dgn preset tapi cam lagi memburuk kan lagu je

leh kasi explain dan example tak



mai gua try jawab.. kalau tak betul Ery ko tolong tunjukkan, enjit2 semut sapa sakit masuk spital....

GATE : sama cam pintu gate la.. ada bukak, ada tutup.. kalau record snare tapi ada kebocoran (bleed) bunyi hi hat, tapi kita taknak itu bunyi hi-hat dalam track snare kita.. kita pakai gate processor untuk 'tutup' bunyi hi-hat selepas ketukan snare..
aku malas nak taip panjang, sekian..
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: bro Reply with quote



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owhhh begitu... thanks.. dah faham dahh Smile

dan lagu satu saya perlu kan tips utk record

macam biasa yg byk saya baca (kebanyakannya utk guitar dan vocal) derang buat double layer track, pan hard left and right atau half pan left and right. ada juga yg buat 4 or up to 8 layer track.

tapi bagaiman utk bass guitar? sy kurang jumpa la tutorial atau tips utk berkenaan utk record bass guitar.

bole bagi advise, tips dan suggestion tak Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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untuk bass, kalau miking, letak mic yang sesuai depan speaker then record la.. mic yg sesuai tu ialah mic yang boleh tangkap frekuensi bass tu dengan baik... macam AKG D112 ke.. juga mic untuk kick drum..

pakai DI (direct injection) box pun boleh... bass- DI- track..
pakai dua-dua miking and DI pastu blend dua track jadi satu pun boleh...
ada bass amp yang ada line-out atau speaker simulation out.. tu pun boleh.. janji kena monitor signal dia.. overload ke tak.. rekodlah dengan healthy signal...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: bro Reply with quote



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soalan lagi soalan lagi hehehheh

sekarang kira saya dah nak mixdown entire mix tuh, so saya mengunakan sonar 8, masa nak export tuh, dia ada option sample rate, standard dia akan letak 44100 rasa nya, adakah set lebih tinggi lebih bagus quality yg di save kan?

dan juga minta otai list atau kasi suggestion on plugin yg byk membantu atau yg org putih kata "plugin u must have" haaa

sekian ~



**p/s: sapa ada SIR2 full pm ler saya
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:41 pm    Post subject: bro Reply with quote



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bro... nak tanya nih.. about sonar... macam saya buat track drum pakai ezdrummer... bole ke on that particular track/drum map tuh kita apply envelopes clip gain atau track gain?

bole ke? how eh?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Erylasia wrote:
hanzthepsyco wrote:
Aku dh cuba bnyk kali record lagu tp semuanye hancur!!!Harming,tak balance,dll...Aku dh cuba mcm2 software spt audicity tp x leh nk buang harming yg dtg dari bass..Masalah aku plg besar dari bass..aku x tau nk setting bass mcmner...Aku harap korang leh beri respond ye sb aku dah buntu nk record lagu yg smooth...korang leh dgr lagu aku kat i-bands kat cni.... Sad
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hafizshapiee wrote:
hmmmm... mcm 2 tpi saya ni baru lagi x fhm pe bende dan alat utk record... yang saya tahu kena de software recording dan interface... tapi saya x pasti sofware pe yg sesuai... sebab saya masih blum de apa2 alat utk record.... tapi saya pnye windows version vista premium... so software dan interface pe yg sesuai dgn laptop saya nie... klu bleh bgi tau skali kat mane saya bleh daptkan software dan interface tersebut... Shocked Shocked


First sekali ko nak belajor record kan,.. buat masa nak belajar nih takde audio interface pon takpe,. go to basic ,, learn sumthing cara2 recording dulu,.. lepas tuh baru cari audio interface...

1. Cari satu Daw untuk recording (software).. ko bleh cuba Cakewalk Sonar, Steinberg Cubase, nuendo, Mackie, etc......(ada banyak Daw, pilih mana suka aku syorkan ko pakai Sonar,.. sebab User Friendly..senang nak paham.)

2. tengok alat2 basic apa yg diperlukan untuk recording,.. cth kalau gitar,, ko kene ade satu virtual Amplification like V-amp, POD, zoom,....etc.. katakan takde bende2 nih. cth ade satu gadjet distortion.. tuh pon bleh guna.. boleh simulate sound masa mixing nanti,.. cth add amp vst,.. Cabinet impulses.. or others fx.... begitu gak lah dgn yg lain.. bass,. vocal ( kene ade Preamp... takde pon takpe,, ni proses belajor.) ketepikan mental block semua tuh..... Drum boleh programing aje...

3.kalau dah ade benda2 kat atas nih,.. Learn about Recording plak.. cth basic... masa record berapa db perlu monitor input.. pastuh cari info sket pasal plugin yg akan digunakan masa mixing.. cth eq. , aku ambik cth mudah eq electric guitar..

100-250Hz ~ Adds body
250-800Hz ~ Muddiness area
1-6Khz ~ Cuts through the mix
6-8kHz ~ Adds clarity
8-12kHz ~ Adds hiss

kalau ko google banyak info ko leh belajar, pastuh others fx lah.. cam Compresor, limiter,Gate,Reverb, Loudness...etc, ,( untuk ape? Perlu ke? cam mana nak pakai? hasil? google please..).

4. Lepas ko dah ade info sket masa bendalah2 tuh... belajar pulak tentang teknik.. cth side chaining, Paning, mixing level, Phase Inverted, Cara nak dynamickan track ko, Dynamic volume, Dynamic eq, Manual Envelope,. send bus,.pre master, eq leveling individual instrument.. bla..bla..

5. try lah mixing banyak kali,(pastikan overal mixing ko tak lebih dari -6db) memang pelahan.. tapi nanti sampai step mastering ko akan kuatkan balik.. dan spekar ko jugak nak lah bagus.. jgn pakai speaker yg dah disimulate kan eq dia.. contoh cam antec lansing bla2.. cari yg normal speaker yg eq level dia sekata. nanti dah ada hasil baru cari Monitor speaker. try mixdown (mixdown plak ade banyak cara plak.Normal mixdown, Realtime Audible.. live input bla.bla)..plak tgk hasil dia,, pas kat kawan2 tanya pendapat ape yg tak kene.. sebab kadang dah berjam2 dgr benda sama kita akan rasa kalis,, syok sendiri.. hihi

6.pastuh Ulang benda atas banyak kali.. pengalaman tuh penting.. takde orang pas beranak leh jalan selalu..hahaha.. benda2 lain yg ko kene ambik tahu ialah Midi( ape itu midi? Nak buat ape? Perlu ke?)..

7. belajar basic Mastering.(Kebanyakan Orang Guna Wavelab).. untuk ape mastering ni? cam mana Nak sedapkan sound? step2 dia? Teknik2 dia? cth cam Trend sekarang nih LOUDNESS OF WAR.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war). One Stereo track mastering.. group instrument mastering ( nih biasa untuk lagu2 orchestra).. Semua2 nih ko bleh google..

8. pastuh semua dah ade hasil sedikit sebanyak... First...bleh laa ko ushar Audio Interface....(Cari kat Denhock Midi Specialist,,.. sebab budak2 i-bands dia kasi discount.-aku syorkan audio interface pertama ko ko guna m-audio punya sebab dia punya driver stabiliti bagus, cari yg value for money dulu cth M-audio Fast Track USB) lepas tuh ko nak pakai ape2 pon tarak hal punya RME ke, DigiDesign ke,Tascam ke, Motu ke whatevaaa lah.hihii.. or ko bleh beli daw ngan audio interface bundle.. ko kenelah pakai USB interface sebab ko pakai laptop. kalau ko pakai PC aku syorkan ko pakai EMU-1212M.. tapi ko guna laptop....Lepas tuh bleh la ko cari monitor speaker ke, Midi Controler ke, dan recording hardware lain..

9. pasal Room Acoustic ko plak,, sekarang zaman modern tak payah Susah2 nak renovate bilik,.. ko bleh Guna IKmultimedia ARC ( software -Advanced Room Correction System) .. Sekian lah sedikit info aku kasi.. kalau nak tulis abis tak larat den.. hang kene rajinkan diri cari info.. jgn malu bertanya...

10. lepas tuh mungkin ko akan GAS kat hardware2 recording,, Software Instrument.. bla,..bla... hahahhahaha... selamat mencuba...

Ringkasan dari atas:- step-step Recording

1. Sequencing – adalah data midi atau rakaman semasa proses pre-production.

2. Basic track (track asas) – track asas atau dikenali juga sebagai guide track

ini selalu dibuat secara sequence atau bersama vokal.

3. Overdubbing – adalah kerja-kerja rakaman setelah track asas dibuat.

4. Mixing (adunan) – adalah proses selepas rakaman di mana informasi diproses
untuk persediaan mastering.

5. Mastering – untuk membuat perubahan yang terakhir setelah proses mixing.

6. Editing – dilakukan jika ada kesalahan yang hendak dibetulkan. Berlaku pada semua sesi.


M-audio fast track = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackUSB.html

Midi Specialist = http://www.midispecialist.com/ (boleh cuba dulu kat midispecialist).


info yg amat berguna. TQ!
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