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| sungaipelong |
 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: [WTA] Fender Japan vs Fender USA |
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Assalamualaikum dan selamat sejahtera warga ibands,
Saya ada sedikit kemusykilan ttg perbezaan 2 produk ni..walaupun nama sama tp tempat kelahirannya ternyata berbeza..fender japan jauh lg murah dr yg usa punya..so fender japan ni xse'sedap' fender usa ke?adakah fender japan pakai material yg biasa?sbb slalunya gitar dr jepun ni (i.e ibanez japan compare to korea) mesti sedap punya la dr segi bunyian dia..
ada sesiapa boleh bg kenyataan pasal issue ni x?
haha sya mg buta bab2 ni..xbape tau sgt..dan sori kalau topik ni dah dibincangkan jugak..mintak tolong King Korek.. |
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| salammmm |
| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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murah x semestinya x sedap...mahal semestinya x sedap..kdg2 beli guitar murah mmg x sedap...kdg2 bli guitar mahal2 baru rasa sedap...
kalau murah...does is it worth its value? <ayat sapa ni..hehehe
aku rasa baek ko tanya kat putraarif...dia cam arif sikit benda2 camni...
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| firslash |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| salammmm wrote: | murah x semestinya x sedap...mahal semestinya x sedap..kdg2 beli guitar murah mmg x sedap...kdg2 bli guitar mahal2 baru rasa sedap...
kalau murah...does is it worth its value? <ayat sapa ni..hehehe
aku rasa baek ko tanya kat putraarif...dia cam arif sikit benda2 camni... |
aku beli gitar murah je..
lps tu, setting la sendiri smpi ko rase sdp..
sbb, xsemestinya bila org lain kata sdp, bila ko main, ko akn rase sedap..
sbb kesedapan tu adalah 1 bnd yg abstrak.. cita rase lain2 kan?
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:14 am Post subject: |
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SETUJU 
cuma pada benda mahal nih...kita kene faham satu benda la, why dia mahal kan?
*sometimes its all about brand
*ketelitian pembuatan hasil tangan. macam seorang pelukis, dah lukis betul teliti sampai 6 bulan tak tido, at the end takkan nak jual dgn harga sekeping gambar yg di tangkap melalui camera kan?
*warranty dan guaranty pun penting macam kita beli guitar custom, takkan kita nak resetup atau lelain service kat orang lain kan? better kita pegi balik kat org yg custom kan guitar kita
*value bila kita nak jual balik ini amat penting, sbb bila kita rasa tak sedap dan tak sesuai, mesti kita nak jual balik tak macam guitar murah, how much kita mods atau upgrade pups ke, at the end value dia tak berbaloi dgn apa yg kita spent. and some buyer pulak minta kita redowngrade ke manufacture item
so to answer between USA dan JAPAN punya made, dua dua a high good quality tapi not in the same context of quality made. Japan try to build a high quality which should be affordable by average buyers. And USA is about the originality, the signature of made. Japan good at making things great by not depend much on nature enviroment, they genius in using technology. But USA made is about nature made, which using a quality of craftsmen. Both are good and reliable but its all up to the end user interest. Like some of us, we love to mod cheap guitar, but high end guitar, we just love to let it be what it is its all about worth making modification or keep the value of originality
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| salammmm |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: |
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sums up as CITARASA...huhuhu
| Jiro wrote: | SETUJU
*value bila kita nak jual balik ini amat penting, sbb bila kita rasa tak sedap dan tak sesuai, mesti kita nak jual balik tak macam guitar murah, how much kita mods atau upgrade pups ke, at the end value dia tak berbaloi dgn apa yg kita spent. and some buyer pulak minta kita redowngrade ke manufacture item
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btw kdg2 aku tertanya2 mana datang value tu? contoh USA ngan Japan lebih value dari MEX...Indo/China of coz la susah nak jual balik mahal...(at least upgrade)...kadanga2 beli 5rib tunggu 20tahun leh jual 10rib? huhuhu
Kualiti(superior/brands?) or Quantiti(Rare?)?
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| oRden |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:45 am Post subject: |
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brand pun ada value tersendiri.
zaman sekarang, orang bukan setakat jual barang, tapi jual jenama sekali.
that's why banyak kompeni besor2 tekankan branding strategy n management.
ko ada jeans yang sama kualiti, tapi satu jenama Lives Stress, lagi satu Levi's Strauss. yang mana ko nak beli? kenapa Levi's lagi mahal?
camtu jugak dengan fender. untuk capture low-end punya customer, diorang takkan gadaikan nilai fender diorang. instead, diorang beli kompeni lain (squier) n cater those low-end market guna jenama kompeni ni.
then, dalam jenama fender sendiri ada beza2 between US, Japs ngan Mex. diorang create hype yang US punya fender lebih berkualitas daripada japs mahupun mex. then disokong lagi dengan testimoni pengguna tegar diorang, lalu, walaupun kualiti japs n us tak jauh beza, still majoriti (yang terdiri daripada poser, bukannya yang true kvlt macam seseorang itu) akan termakan dakyah2 kompeni besar ini n menanam dalam kepala hotak diorang yang US lagi berkualiti daripada japs n mex.
oleh sebab us lebih berkualiti, maka us lebih mahal resale value dia.
lagi satu, hearsay la. cakap2 orang. orang cakap us lagi berkualiti, kita pon caya. orang cakap boss silver screw lagi best, kita pon caya. macam motor kat malaysia la.
orang cakap yangmahal lagi best, so orang lain pun banyak beli yangmahal Laici. resale value pun tinggi sebab ekpektesyen orang dah set yangmahal tu best.
orang cakap suzikaki tak best. dah drop gile2 resale value dia. padahal suzikaki ngan hondal lagi best n meletop2 kat tempat lain.
faktor lain yang menentukan harga, of kosla kos pengeluaran.
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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jadi, resale value tu bergantung kepada permintaan? dan kualiti jatuh no. 2?
begitu kah?
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| salammmm |
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terasa je aku...bila sebut yangmahal laici ni...huhu...
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| boyroy |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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kalo mengikut standard Nipon nyer
Quality=Menepati Kehendak Pengguna
So,
kenapa permintaan tinggi,
sbb menepati kehendak pembeli/pengguna (ader Quality)
So,
kalo difikir2 kan,
Fender Japan vs US,
Sendiri kna nilai,
tp kalo aku tgk org pakai Fender US atau Jpn,
aku lbh respek US, sbb US 3~4 kali ganda harga dia,
sesak2 leh gantung sng2 kt member, hehehehe.....
kalo Jpn leh gantung gak, tp dpt ciput ar...
 
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| ddos411 |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Sebenarnya bukan semua MIA sedap, kadang2 ada MIJ yg boleh makan MIA. Semuanya bergantung pada seawal jari-jemari kau hinggalah ke corong amp kau. Cuba kau cari kawan-kawan yang ada MIA, MIJ dan MIM buat comparison side by side dan suruh dia main a few riff/licks. Plug in dan main clean, pandang tempat lain dan kau dengar bezanya, dan cuba kau teka mana satu MIA, MIJ dan MIM. Kalau kau ada budget lebih, tahan nafsu dan lebih appreciate MIA, beli saja MIA kerana faktor lain ialah sebagai investment. T.kasih.
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^
betul2...kalo main gitar hampeh mcm aku...beli Fender USA pon tak guna jugak bwahaha
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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mata wang pun menjadi keutamaan...
currency...yer la..kalau MIA jual harga standard cam kat Malaysia...nanti org kat USA pulak rasa cam...ala murah je guitar nih.. so standard value di local market jadi cam tak semegah, dan boleh bawa bergaduh sesama guitar manufacture... (macam case microsoft memonopoli)
sebenar nya mata wang kita yg terlampau jauh di bawah, itu membuat kan kita rasa benda tuh sgt mahal... cuba kita kerja di USA...dan jgn sekali kita convert duit gaji ke mata wang malaysia... mesti kita rasa cam it something affordable... aku ada kawan study kat UK and dia kerja part time jadi cleaner kat hospital je... every week dia boleh beli padel, sampai kan dia rasa cam biasa je kalau beli Gibson USA LP standard harga around rm8k
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Jiro wrote: | mata wang pun menjadi keutamaan...
currency...yer la..kalau MIA jual harga standard cam kat Malaysia...nanti org kat USA pulak rasa cam...ala murah je guitar nih.. so standard value di local market jadi cam tak semegah, dan boleh bawa bergaduh sesama guitar manufacture... (macam case microsoft memonopoli)
sebenar nya mata wang kita yg terlampau jauh di bawah, itu membuat kan kita rasa benda tuh sgt mahal... cuba kita kerja di USA...dan jgn sekali kita convert duit gaji ke mata wang malaysia... mesti kita rasa cam it something affordable... aku ada kawan study kat UK and dia kerja part time jadi cleaner kat hospital je... every week dia boleh beli padel, sampai kan dia rasa cam biasa je kalau beli Gibson USA LP standard harga around rm8k |
yg ni sgt btol..
member aku ade gak yg tggl kat UK.. so dia pnh cite bnd ni kat aku..
sbnrnya harga brngan kat malaysia ni mahal..
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