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| thejay91a7x |
 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject: Problem time jam@live show |
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luah hati masing2 kalo ada prob..
bg aku..aku susah nak setting sound yg aku suka time jamm...psl jmpa amp lain2 jenis..lg satu...aku x reti sgt funtion2 knob2 kat head@amp kat studio nih...so mmg prob plg bsar aku la skang nih...jenuh..lama jgk aku nak phm menda2 mcm nih..bila leh pndai pun ntah la..
dari mna nak blaja setting sound nih..?pyah beb...ada gak aku research psl amp2 nih...n aku try jugak satu2 knob...1st turn smew kat 12 oclock n...ubah satu2...x leh dpt jgk sound dia...pening2..
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| arizal_adl |
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jam kat tempat yang selalu jam ler.. leh set menda alah knob tu elok2.. pastu buat catatan setting dia..
aku pun masalah samer.. tp bukan sbb aku tukar2 tempat jamming.. tp mmg aku bebal bab setting2 nie.. aku main pulas jer.. at least nampak cam aku set, padahal, aku eksyen jer.. gaya tu penting beb...
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| salammmm |
| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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masalah aku...
aku susah gak nak setting sound yg aku nak.....
bila aku nk setting je dia rempuh masuk then ckp.....''nk buat ape lg,dah kuat dah tu''.....
susah btol jumpak org mcm ni....
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| Jiro |
| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Problem time jam@live show |
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| thejay91a7x wrote: | luah hati masing2 kalo ada prob..
bg aku..aku susah nak setting sound yg aku suka time jamm...psl jmpa amp lain2 jenis..lg satu...aku x reti sgt funtion2 knob2 kat head@amp kat studio nih...so mmg prob plg bsar aku la skang nih...jenuh..lama jgk aku nak phm menda2 mcm nih..bila leh pndai pun ntah la..
dari mna nak blaja setting sound nih..?pyah beb...ada gak aku research psl amp2 nih...n aku try jugak satu2 knob...1st turn smew kat 12 oclock n...ubah satu2...x leh dpt jgk sound dia...pening2.. |
aku leh share tips how aku selalu handle live amp
1. kenali macam mana guitar dan pedal pedal kita punya sound character.
Contoh macam apa character single coil, humbucker, p-90 atau pick up pick up yg kita dah tukar macam seymour duncan ke, EMG ke...semua tuh kita boleh search sekadar nak tau je apa character tone dia. Sama ada tebal, atau tajam atau bass lebih ke atau mid lebih ke... sebab itu penting kita kenal axe kita baru kita tau dia boleh ngam dgn amp macam mana nanti.
macam tuh juga dgn pedal...kita kene tau character dan respone pedal tu macam mana...setiap pedal berbeza...jadi masa nak beli tuh...ambil tahu pedal nih jenis A ke B ke C ke
2. kenal pasti sound yg macam mana kita nak dengar.
This is simple, ikut cita rasa memasing...ada suka heavy, ada suka bising, ada suka nyamuk, ada suka clean...maybe kita boleh ambik satu contoh sound idola kita yg kita suka, try save kan sound dia dalam otak kita dgn mendengar sampai lekat.
3. tolenransi antara amp dan pedal, clean dan fx.
nih simple...ada org dah set siap siap pedal dia...so dia tanak kacau pedal dia...which mean dia nak amp ikut sound pedal dia... makna nya amp kene mengalah dan tolerate...so kalau nak adapt pendekatan macam nih..kita kene tahu dan dah boleh imagine apa jenis sound pedal kita akan kuar kan bunyi nanti.
ada org pulak mmg rajin setting..sbb dia ada pendengaran yg lebih teliti...jadi cara nih selalu nya di adapt kan semua pedal set zero, fx kat amp pun zero...cuma EQ kat amp dia set semua kul 12. dan dia cari clean tone dia dulu...itu penting kita kene tau character guitar kita sbb tak semesti nya kita terus set semua kul 12...terlampau natural utk kita dengar perbezaan antara 3 subject biasa, iaitu bass, mid dan treble.
Contoh: macam guitar aku pakai P-90...aku dah tau sound dia tebal..mid mmg lebih, bass dia center dan high dia subtle... jadi kat amp aku akan terus nak test guna setting bass kul 11, mid kul 1 dan treble kul 12. Dan lain amp lain result dia..so dari situ kita tau character amp plak camne.
bila clean tone dah dapat, baru on 1 per 1 pedal dan cari sound satu satu, first start dgn pedal paling depan (mcm aku Distortion). Setting sampai sound distortion yg kita nak.
then baru on fx kat amp kalau kita nak guna...contoh macam reverb, presence dan sebagai nya.
cara macam nih mmg sgt selalu di praktik kan...sbb kekadang amp tak boleh nak terima setting pedal kita..so secara spontan tanpa membuang masa, cuba plak cari terbalik, pedal ikut kehendak amp
4. Kenali AMP yg nak di guna kan.
Benda nih kene melalui experience dgn pelbagai AMP..atau maybe kita boleh google kat internet..tapi experience lebih berkesan.. kene tau Marshall character amp camne, VOX amp camne...lepas tuh kene tau gak tube amp camne, solid state camne..dll
ambik tau amp yg mana boleh handle sound yg kita nak...sbb ada amp special made for certain kind of sound...ada made mmg utk clean amp..ada utk heavy amp.
5. Bilik yg di guna kan..
Aku selalu titik berat kan bilik yg di guna kan...ada bilik derang treated sound proof...ada bilik treated accoustic...itu sbb sometime bila kita guna amp yg sama..tapi rasa cam sound dry la...ada sound too wet la..
6. ambik tahu how to connect to amp.
ok, ada org pakai MFX..which are yg suka pakai send and return fx loop dan sebagai nya.. ambil tau semua tuh...fx mana yg sesuai connection dia...stereo fx ke apa ke..
utk MFX sgt penting kita ada manual book dia...dan belajar all posible connection yg boleh sbb ada amp ragam dia mmg tak ngam dgn MFX...sama juga dgn analog pedal, cuma analog pedal bila kita fed up senang kita nak eliminate dari rig chain.
7. Live performance, miccing and non miccing.
bende nih selalu nya tak perlu nak risau sgt..sbb benda nih tempat yg korang nak main tuh dah stand by engineer dia...dia yg bertanggungjawab...tapi tak salah nak ambik tahu serba sikit kan.
ok.. if kalau miccing..usual korang just think simple..all amp akan jadi monitor korang sendiri..dan audience akan dengar thru speaker besar..atau main speaker...jgn compare kan level sound between amp dan main speaker..in which mean..focus on your amp sound dulu..dan bila dah ready bagi tau kat org yg jaga mixer board nak sound band setup camne kat main speaker.
8. Sound for band or for your self
Haaa yg nih kene la selalu jamming dan communicate dgn band mate...sbb bila dah satu band kene la pepaham sound kawan sebelah kita camne kan...sbb tuh kadang rasa cam tak dengar je sound guitar kita...rupa nya bass kuat sgt...dah tutup semua sound...kadang guitar kanan dan kiri sound sama, sampai bila main tak dapat nak beza mana sound guitar 1 dan guitar 2... tolerate sesama...cuba paham concept band sendiri camne... ada band sound 2nd guitar mmg slow je...ada plak mmg bass menyerlah ...
dalam situasi macam nih..ajak la sorang kawan yg telinga hebat utk duduk tengah tengah dan menilai..
cuba juga jgn masa main tuh duk asik duduk depan amp sendiri...beli kat amp kawan sebelah...cuba dengar dari kedudukan amp dia kita boleh dgr tak amp kita..sound dia cut thru tak sambil tuh tanya kawan lain sound kita camne..depa dengar ok tak? ke bising sgt ke?
9. Tahu balance between GAIN dan MASTER/VOLUME
10. Dengar teguran org, peka kan telinga
kadang kita rasa slow, tapi bagi org dah kuat sgt dah tuh...tak percaya...kuar dari bilik jamming...cuba dengar dari luar..
Kuat tak bermaksud lagi sedap...kadang kita tak dengar kene igt sbb frequency clash between sound lain. atau aku biasa panggil tak cut thru sound dia. Jadi peka kan telinga utk dengar between SLOW atau CUT, KUAT atau CLIPPING, DRY atau WET.
Time macam nih la pedal kita HERO...contoh cam sound kita biasa je..tak kuat masa verse,sedap sedap je..kata la nak part solo tuh guitar kita tak perlu kuat, cuma dia ada ruang dan dapat dengar sound solo..time tuh la guna nya EQ pedal..utk timbul FREQ yg mampu kuar kan sound tuh tanpa kacau level volume atau gain.
Sometime kita lupa...bila kita kuat kan volume..secara automatic bass/mid/treble pun naik kuat sama..jadi lain level, lain balance..mungkin masa slow bass dia kita tak dengar sgt, jadi kita kuat kan bass...bila dah kuat kan volume, bass kuat sgt pulak..so slow kan bass vice versa.
Amalkan GIVE and TAKE
aku sendiri pun selalu ada masalah nak setting sound bile main kat tempat lain selain tempat yg aku biasa main... but dia jadi senang bila kita tahu sound dari belah kita dulu iaitu guitar dan pedal fx... tapi ada time mmg sound tak dapat dapat pun...so selalu nya aku afdal je la...belasah je la..dari buang masa hahahha
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| arizal_adl wrote: | jam kat tempat yang selalu jam ler.. leh set menda alah knob tu elok2.. pastu buat catatan setting dia..
aku pun masalah samer.. tp bukan sbb aku tukar2 tempat jamming.. tp mmg aku bebal bab setting2 nie.. aku main pulas jer.. at least nampak cam aku set, padahal, aku eksyen jer.. gaya tu penting beb... |
ko mmg bergaya hahaha
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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cucuk je 'Return' / Poweramp in... tak payah setting apa2....
larriiiii....
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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kowang sume mmg ide bernas.. tapi tabik kat Jiro ler.. byk ilmu dalam cite yang panjang. Naik terkebil2 aku baca comment dia.
leh elaborate item 9?
leh bagi contoh.. gitar aper, efx aper, amp aper.. senang sket nak compare pastu leh jadik pedoman. So lepas ni aku leh lebih eksyen dari selalu..
ce cerita ce cerita..
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| eniQma wrote: | Jiro......
+1028394....
Respek Jiro sensei! |
oi eniqma...be da me kreethi.....a me we dooo...ba de we.. a yus to bay....?????????????? 
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| salammmm wrote: | | eniQma wrote: | Jiro......
+1028394....
Respek Jiro sensei! |
oi eniqma...be da me kreethi.....a me we dooo...ba de we.. a yus to bay....?????????????? |
ai jas dun un da stan wat yu say tu mae...wut is taat?
Y U NO TYPE PROPERLY....
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| eniQma wrote: | | salammmm wrote: | | eniQma wrote: | Jiro......
+1028394....
Respek Jiro sensei! |
oi eniqma...be da me kreethi.....a me we dooo...ba de we.. a yus to bay....?????????????? |
ai jas dun un da stan wat yu say tu mae...wut is taat?
Y U NO TYPE PROPERLY....
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thxx jiro...bgus tuh..
tp aku rasa...kna praktikal dgr owg reti psl2 sound2 nih kowt..lg sng kita nak phm..
yg lain x kan x pnah x dew prob kowt..??time2 noob dulu..?
kongsi la sma2..
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| thejay91a7x wrote: | thxx jiro...bgus tuh..
tp aku rasa...kna praktikal dgr owg reti psl2 sound2 nih kowt..lg sng kita nak phm..
yg lain x kan x pnah x dew prob kowt..??time2 noob dulu..?
kongsi la sma2.. |
aku dari dulu sampai skrg masih noob(x pernah dapat achievement unlock) bab sound amp setting
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Kalau ko tanya aku, aku tak dapat jawab. bukan sebab aku sombong tapi sebab....
sebab.....
sebab......................................................................................
aku tak pernah g jamming....................................
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| eniQma wrote: | | salammmm wrote: | | eniQma wrote: | Jiro......
+1028394....
Respek Jiro sensei! |
oi eniqma...be da me kreethi.....a me we dooo...ba de we.. a yus to bay....?????????????? |
ai jas dun un da stan wat yu say tu mae...wut is taat?
Y U NO TYPE PROPERLY....
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hahaha.. 
aku tanya hg xkan xde problem time jam@live..... 
bahasa sanskrit tu...kahkah!!
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