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| karbaid |
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Zenith Zen dan sekutu-sekutunya... musician malaysia mainstream mana yg ko kata suck tu? musician malaysia mainstream bagus2la. bagus sbb diorg berjaya ke mainstream... bole cari makan sampai bebila kalo smart. kalo diorang 100% cari makan thru' music aku rasa itu hak diorg nak bantai lagu apa pun. dah memang budaya industri muzik malaysia mcm tu. kalo ko kata muzik underground (underground ke?) tu bagus tapi tak bole naik mungkin sbb diorg pikir alternatif lain. mungkin diorang ada cita-cita ngan karier masing2 utk carik makan dan muzik minoriti tu dijadikan projek atau hobi sampingan dan sesetengahnya berjaya expose ttg sape dia sebenornya di luar lokasi pekerjaan tetap atau keluarga sebelah. hahaha... kalo ko tanak layan lagu2 diorg yg dikatakan mainstream, tutup je radio, tutup tv. pasang je lagu yg ko suka. takpun buat lagu sendiri. buat band sendiri. buat studio sendiri. jamming sesama sendiri. pastu kalo tak dpt organize atau main kat gig, pakat ngan kengkawan yang terdekat, donate sorang berapa ringgit. sewa barang. sewa dewan hotel. buat gathering siap ada live performance dr korang atau kengkawan yg lain. siap ada makan2. ada kerusi meja lagi. jangan risau. polis takkan kacau punya pasal pakai permit hotel tu. abis citer. aduiii.... amendela aku taip ni. tula... dah lama tak masuk i-bands ni. hahahahahaaa... sori ye kerana mengganggu situasi yang serius ni.
- banjoe.....
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| totziens |
| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Mainstream music - I think every country also got lousy ones. The early days KRU, I think they're quite unique. I don't mind the early jazz influenced Sheila Majid...and the guy from Wings...is it Wings??? What's his name??? Zainal???
Generally, I think in Malaysia, art industry is always lack of funding and promotion. Restriction by the government is another factor - just imagine how hard is it for us to get a permit to hold a gig (assume we don't go through outlets with existing permit). Venue is also an issue...money issue...etc. Many mainstream artists also emerge from underground scene. So, if this basic opportunity is not there, how to proceed??? I have to salute those who managed to organise gigs these days. People who runs record labels are partially to be blamed too..the idea of every album must have a cover version is crap. I don't agree with the accusation that all record label sucks....if u r pointing that to major labels, I may agree. I think Pony Canyon used to do a great job in promoting local bands. For underground labels like Laguna Records, etc...I think they're great but those are underground record labels.
Actually a lot of parties are to be blamed but on the bright side I think the local music scene is better than in the 80s or 90s. The underground scene is getting more and more support.....I believe slowly things will improve |
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| adam |
| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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i was thinking about this one thing tho..probably out of topic.anyways... lets say u wrote this kickass song..and this dude happens to be there and says "hey.. i like this tune man..would u like to play it on my new album?" ..so im like yeah..so he sings along this groovy thing.so..lets say i lost contact with the dude...and then one day i hear my song on the radio and hes fucking famous.its played differently tho but im familiar with it.nothing is credited to me of course. so....hows that go? is that considered stealing?
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| Bode |
| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| adam wrote: | | i was thinking about this one thing tho..probably out of topic.anyways... lets say u wrote this kickass song..and this dude happens to be there and says "hey.. i like this tune man..would u like to play it on my new album?" ..so im like yeah..so he sings along this groovy thing.so..lets say i lost contact with the dude...and then one day i hear my song on the radio and hes fucking famous.its played differently tho but im familiar with it.nothing is credited to me of course. so....hows that go? is that considered stealing? |
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| adam |
| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Zenith Zen |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: what i meant is ... |
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to all ...
what i really meant to say is why we as underground musician cannot make it ... it's sad to see .. band/artist with a mamoth size talent .. get holdback because "the label" (satan in my book) want to give a chance to some kindergarden bands/artists a chance to cut a record ...
about the topic .. i'm deeply sorry if anyone offended by it ...
last ... let our music grow ... & give us a chance .. we're not all rich kids here ....
peace & bananas people...
zenith out |
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| afiqme |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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hehe!! buat album sendiri.. duit sendiri, peluh sendiri, usaha sendiri, untung rugi pun sendiri, puas pun sendiri... hehe!!!
ntahle.. aku takde plak nafsu nak pi mainstream .. what for??? nak recording free?? aku bleh buat kat umah... nak kulit album lawa2?? bleh buat sendiri kat pressing company .. the only 2 things benefit die yg aku nampak ... PROMOTION & GLAMOUR!!!! yeah itu takleh nak lawan le.. contact die banyak... hehehe!!! tapi disadvantage die.... jeng jeng jeng!!!
tapi aku takde la ckp kalau aku dpt offer aku tolak bulat2 .. hehe!! kalau rezeki tuh ade ... kena plak dgn carenye .. mmg aku grab le..  cume aku takde le terkejar2 nak pi mainstream.. hehe!!
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| Zenith Zen |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject: to criedbaby |
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to you :
dude, i share your point of view ...
but sometimes ...
dealing with "the satan" is the only way for our music to grow ...
now ...
let ponder a little shall we ... Hmmmmmm ....
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| GryMlock |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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main advantage i think would be the distribution. But when u cross over to the mainstream world, music is business. And a lot of your ethics will changed because of this.
but the thing that bothers me is.. why do people say something like..the underground bands/artists,.. cannot make it... make it where?? You are in the underground scene man. make it happening there lah. That's one of the reason why there is even an underground scene!
Big labels will always go with what sells. I think now, after Shiela on 7 made it big here, the labels are started to open up a bit. It's good for local Malay music scene but for the local English.. it is still very hard. Why? because those who had cut an album, released it.. under majors... didn't sell much! From their point of view.. this is absolutely ..bad investment. So perhaps that's why they are not being that open to the local english act.
it's up to the band themselves to proove that those people are wrong.
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| Ridzi |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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i cant stand that HEY WALEY WALEY HEY WALEY WALEY HEYYYY......grrr... basically he gave what the market wants...
its all pure and simple...if you got the looks, and you have a marketable product.... it will fly in malaysia... and it WILL be shoved down our throats wether we like it or not.
That why i agree with Ajeep above... Tu yang rasa nak buat album Bahasa Melayu je...tapi malay aku pun hancussss nyanyi pun tak sedap...tepaksa la aku kuburkan niat aku.... I dont want to compromise what i love doing...hell if people love what i am doing thats a bonus!! Im just doing it to push my own envelopes of creativity.... Mind you, if some record lable came up to me with a wad of money i wouldn't say no....
ok back to my dangdut reggae... |
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| afiqme |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| adam |
| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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ya ridzi! i cant stand that fucking song.
ya criedbaby i agree ehehe.. "hehe!! buat album sendiri.. duit sendiri, peluh sendiri, usaha sendiri, untung rugi pun sendiri, puas pun sendiri... hehe!!! "
music to grow? i think you just gotta work hard and work harder and do everything by yourself.im greatful for this site and i appreciate every listener as a blessing.i think its 'growing' way faster than i couldve imagined.its the best way to distribute and promote.thanks to AJEEP! GO AJEEP GO!!hehe..wht he basically did is even bigger than what any local label would do.thanks to him most of us are no longer lonely bedroom musicians.
"music driven by money deserves to fail"-cornell
anyways i just noticed how kadazan music reminds me of jungle raggae.its awesome actually ehhe..
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| GryMlock |
| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ridzi : That's why we never signed to any labels before. Although our music might not be as much to others but that's all we have! So if we would step into the mainstream ground, we're going in with our music. tiada kompromi. 
Adam : I never thought that there'll be this many people uploading music. might need a bigger server next year!
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| Ridzi |
| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| GryMlock wrote: | Ridzi : That's why we never signed to any labels before. Although our music might not be as much to others but that's all we have! So if we would step into the mainstream ground, we're going in with our music. tiada kompromi.
Adam : I never thought that there'll be this many people uploading music. might need a bigger server next year! |
Exactly, you shouldn't have to compromise your musical integrity just to get the fat cats even fatter. Any self-respecting musician will do that. Having said that i understand why there are some musicians who sell their soul to the devil and jump into that trap. Some musicians might have no other means of income and music could be the only source of nasik for them.
In an ideal world, music should be played live...the trouble is bands here dont get valued enough. Sometimes I think it's all alot of the bands fault, they dont control the quality of their act, which gives a signal of no value to promoters etc..etc which is why bands find it so hard to a) get paid for a performance and b) get the chance to play venues... A lot of the time venues, promoters have no faith in the majority of unsigned bands because like i said, the lack of quality.... for example, look at the Prana gig recently, as a headlining band i expected something a bit more polished than that.
Please note that i do not like to use the term underground bands as there is a stigma to it where it refers to noisy.....crappy bands... This is also a problem, i think we should all stop using that term and use unsigned bands instead. Mention underground band to anyone and immediatly they will think 'metal/rock/punk=noisy' This is something that we need to change in the long run to raise the taraf of our bands so we are valued more.
The amount of music uploaded here in i-bands speaks volumes...just goes to show that here in Malaysia we are not short of talent. Its just that we need to stop thinking that record labels are all the bed of roses we all think they are. Sure they have the money, but they cant control what people buy and listen to, at some point listeners will stop and realise that they want something more...We just need the bands to always keep their quality in check, and we need good recording engineers outside the commercial world. To go commercial is not that hard...but it does not mean that you have to bend over and sign in to a big record label only to be shafted up the ass royally...
Speaking for myself, i dont really care if i get signed to a label , if i do, sure, i would be laughing all the way to the bank, but it will never stop me from making the music that I love. I would take the money...satisfy the contract, then use that money i get to buy more equipment, and to fund my own real music.
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| pali |
| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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yup ridzi, all the way with ya. agree 100%.
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