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| IZZI |
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| Arr_U_C wrote: | | adakah shred ni peringkat tertinggi dalam gaya permainan gitar menentukan kehebatan seseorang gitaris? kiranya shred ni black belt calit 18 le ni utk gitaris? |
Kena berbalik pada kategori ko la.. kalau ko seorang teknikal guitarist, so seberapa susah dan pelik punya teknik yg ko dapat main adalah tahap kehebatan permainan ko. Kalau ko soul guitarist, how effective can u deliver your solo yang menentukan level permainan ko.. So its subjective la pada aku.
Tapi teknik tetap diperlukan utk deliver solo cuma semasa delivering tu apa yg ko paling fikirkan? 'keberkesanan' atau 'kedahsyatan'? Level tertinggi pada aku kalau dapat combine kedua2nya secara semulajadi.
'Kedahsyatan' boleh dapat melalui practice.. tp 'keberkesanan' bergantung pada tahap kesenian dan kreativiti yg ada dalam diri ko.. tahap kesenian ni boleh dipupuk dengan pengalaman dan pendedahan contohnya macam dengar lagu banyak2..
itu je pendapat aku utk soalan ko..
p/s: dlm lagu steve vai "For The Love Of God" ko rasa dia pentingkan 'keberkesanan' ke 'kedahsyatan'?
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| fReqZz |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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yeah.. i heard about that.. he wish becker was there as well.. a lot of his speeding style ar mainly base on economic picking la.. i watch his video for lesson...
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| Arr_U_C |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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oooooooooooooo...... bagusla ko punya pemahaman..... good
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| gapster |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| izuanhafez wrote: | | I dont agree if u said he can't shred |
yeah actually this is pretty subjective..
it depends where do you want to set the "standard"..in other words ...
how is guitar playing considered "shred" ?
for me..i do not consider this guitarist (which often people call them "shredders" ) a shredder
Zakk Wylde
Kirk Hammet
Marty Friedman
Joe Satriani
Steve Vai
Van Halen
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| Scumgrief |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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^^^ Other than Van Halen, aku tak pernah dengar orang panggil diorang tu shredder.... heh...
there's more to music than trying to cram 1 milion notes in one second you know....
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| Scumgrief |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| gapster wrote: | hehe..thats why i didn't wanna go to marty friedman's clinic..
i was pretty sure it was a stage wanking session 
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i think Malmsteen and Petrucci does hold the stage wanking kings title....
Marty Friedman was awesome....
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:58 am Post subject: |
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what is 'shred' anyway?
to me shred is 'extract into small pieces' or in malay 'kupasan yg halus'(ye la kot..) hehehe...
so in guitar world we can say that shred means many notes in a bar. Is that means only arpegeos and alternate picking does take account? but of course speed is required.
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there are also batch..
the shredders in early 80s technique and style was different if compare to early 90s and even to nowadays shredders. I consider Ritchie Blackmore as a shredder in his time and also Jimi Hendrix... hahaha...
ok thats my opinion and its good you have yours..
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| azsamad |
| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| izuanhafez wrote: | what is 'shred' anyway?
to me shred is 'extract into small pieces' or in malay 'kupasan yg halus'(ye la kot..) hehehe...
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Whoa.. Never heard anyone describe it quite that way! Hihi.. Cool... |
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| gapster |
| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| izuanhafez wrote: | what is 'shred' anyway?
to me shred is 'extract into small pieces' or in malay 'kupasan yg halus'(ye la kot..) hehehe...
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i got this from a friend in ultimate-guitar..it is still the most accurate for me 
| Quote: | | If you really play your guitar with attitude and you don't care about any rules or boundaries that are temporarily set up by commercial considerations, then you're a shredder |
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| MetalSkeletor wrote: | | there's more to music than trying to cram 1 milion notes in one second you know.... |
hahaha..yeah ..it depends on what you enjoy ! 
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| afiqme |
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| gapster wrote: | | izuanhafez wrote: | what is 'shred' anyway?
to me shred is 'extract into small pieces' or in malay 'kupasan yg halus'(ye la kot..) hehehe...
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i got this from a friend in ultimate-guitar..it is still the most accurate for me
| Quote: | | If you really play your guitar with attitude and you don't care about any rules or boundaries that are temporarily set up by commercial considerations, then you're a shredder | |
then u can say kurt cobain is a shredder ... LOL! 
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| criedbaby wrote: |
i got this from a friend in ultimate-guitar..it is still the most accurate for me
| Quote: | | If you really play your guitar with attitude and you don't care about any rules or boundaries that are temporarily set up by commercial considerations, then you're a shredder | |
then u can say kurt cobain is a shredder ... LOL! [/quote]
Ha...ha... owned....
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| gapster |
| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If you really play your guitar with attitude and you don't care about any rules or boundaries that are temporarily set up by commercial considerations, then you're a shredder |
nah..kurt cobain didn't pass this one 
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| gapster wrote: |
for me..i do not consider this guitarist (which often people call them "shredders" ) a shredder
Zakk Wylde
Kirk Hammet
Marty Friedman
Joe Satriani
Steve Vai
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do they pass gapster? hehe..
gapster.. will you attend the clinic? i respect what you enjoy most but if u can take that shred condition aside, i think u will learn something from Gary Hoey or even from everybody that probably good for expanding your shredibility. I was excited to neo shredding during my early days but who knows now i prefer to listen to guitarist like Mark Knopfler, SRV, roben ford etc.. hahah lawak tak?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | nah..kurt cobain didn't pass this one |
u got real nerve to write something like this, kid... 
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