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| silbi |
 Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: soloing - when to use bridge PU, mid PU or neck PU?? |
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sorry if this q seem a bit silly...but just wanna learn more from all you 6 string sifus...
after a bit pandai on guitar playing, i just realised that there is actually a massive difference in pickup (PU) selection when playing...say if you use an ibanez with a H-S-H congfig?
so i'd just like to know when do u guys swith to use the PU positions for your guitar solos, and for what type of songs?
For eg, Does Kirk Hammet only use bridge PU for all his solos, or does he change to neck? can't really figure this out...or you guys can gimme other example of guitarists out there?
as at now, i presume for metal songs, the bridge PU will be used more that other whole soloing, but for blues based solo, maybe better to use the single coil, ie. the mid PU...
but as at the moment i really love the sound from my neck PU since it's a bit warm, less harsh and trebly...and when u do that palm muted shred-style scall using the bigger strings, it'd sound better...
anyways...hope u guys could get what i'm trying to ask here...kot23 lah ada general on which PU to use for certain types of solo, etc?
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| khairold |
| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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example i can give walaupun mungkin semua org dah tau.. hehe 
solo yang mungkin telah terlalu banyak kali di dengar
solo sweet child o mine yang panjang tu
first dia guna neck, bunyi dia sweet
pastu time yang nak masuk section lagi satu
yang part takde back ground music, guitar solo saja tu
sebenarnye mmg tu layer guitar lain tapi boleh dengar kali ni dah tukar bridge pick up, biting sikit |
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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aku pakai bridge pickup all the way!!! heheh
tapi kadang2 neck pickup guna time clean je..
tak kisah sebenarnya, unless kalau ko really particular dgn tone.
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Good question ni utk discussion!
Basicnya, getaran tali pada kawasan neck pickup tu menghasilkkan sound yg lebih bassy dan lebih kuat dan string vibration kat area bridge pickup pulak lebih trebly dan more open.
Biasanya untuk riffing org guna bridge pickup.
tp ini subjective.. macam aku, aku mmg suka tukar2 pickup semasa tgh solo dgn tujuan untuk menambahkan dinamik pada sound guitar dan lebih menarik..
antara guiutarist yg sibuk menukar2 pickup masa solo ialah yngwie malmsteen.. boleh dgr lagu dia dan kaji bila dia tukar pickup dan apa impact dia masa dia solo tu..
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| Otaizam |
| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Antara guitarist yang aku respect dalam pickup selection is gary moore. Teruja dengan lagu still got the blues. lespaul, biasa la cuma ada bridge dan neck pickup....
but cuba perhatikan kalau u all ada video clip dia, atau try differentiate bunyik dia... part solo dia ada guna both bridge and neck pickup. paling \significant intro solo dia guna neck, tang plucking dia guna both bridge and neck. masa solo ending tu,, mula2 guna neck, then bridge, then neck balik... di tambah pulak dengan volume port dia adjust sesedap rasa ppppppeergh,,,,,
untuk diri aku pulak... riff biasanya guna bridge, jarang guna bridge untuk riff sebab bunyik dia akan jadik sebu.....
solo, kalau main metal guna bridge, ala2 malmsteen guna neck pickup, sama gak kalau main blues,
kalau ala2 jazz, fussion aku guna both neck and mid. especially kalau main clean sound sama kalau main lagu 60'an.
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| ZiNK |
| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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bg aku, aku kene tengok jenis equipmnet yg aku guna dulu. kalau aku pakai satu amp ni dgn satu gitar ni, maybe aku gune neck pu kalau sound die sedap. tapi bile aku tukar gitar/amp lain, maybe sound neck pu die xsedap plak, so tukar bridge pu. in my opinion it all depends on the equipment you use 
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Rasanya, kita kene tau bila nak pakai neck or bridge pickup.
Neck pickup biasanya bunyi lebih mellow and round. Best juga buat solo yang jenis mellow ne. Just utk note tinggi fret 22 24 yang hampir kat pickup ne kan bunyi akan kureng skit di telinga aku. semakin kita bergerak keaarah fret 22 maka tali semakin hampir kepada pickup. maksudnya kalo tekan pada fret 5 action pickup string tinggi berbanding kalo tekan fret 22. So kene pandai setting the pickup sweet spot. kata la u memang suka main fret area 5 to 12 so pastikan sweet spot pickup neck berada pada area tu. kalo suka main 12 to 22 so adjust neck pickup berada pada sweet spot pada ketinggin tali utk fret fret tu. Memang susah nak set neck pickup berbanding bridge. jangan rapat sangat neck pickup ne sebab mudah berlaga dengan string.
bridge pickup bunyi lebih bright. so lebih sesuai utk riff. bunyi solo akan lebih bright tapi kurang mellow. Riff metal memang asyik[indon style] kalo pakai bridge. Kalo solo, tanpa middle and bass yang cukup pada amp setting akan boleh cenderung kapada bunyi yang kering. Utk bunyi yang warm aku lebih suka beralih kepada neck. kalo main high gain rasanya lebih baik guna bridge berbanding neck. Pickup neck + high gain akan bunyi huruhara skit dan bunyi beralih jari 'siok' akan mudah kedengaran.
MIX neck bridge.
- aku stuju kalo main ala ala gary moore.
- akan hasil bunyi bright and mellow. Tajam tapi warm. Tapi paling penting kat sini adalah pickup combination. sebab tu kenaper ada set pickup jb+jazz, or jb + 59. Macam suami n istri saling pelangkap antara satu ama lain. Kekurang pada warm tone bridge akan di bantu oleh neck pickup. Gitu juga cleariti and bright bridge akan bantu kekurang tone neck.
Ayoooo! jangan terlalu detail sangat lah bebenda ne karang sampai biler biler masih tak puas hati.
Tapi aku pun macam deadzid juga layan bridge, semua aku suka lebih bright. kecuali ler aku main lagu vintage deep purple, ozzy n bla bla yang perlukan bunyi dark warm overdrive baru aku guna neck pickup. macam lagu smoke in the water aku main guna neck sd SH-1 baru bunyi vintage kuar.
Zuan [mamat blues],
Tone blues rasanya best guna neck pickup kan?
tapi teknology sekarang guna effect effect and multi effect, bridge pun boleh jadi mellow and neck jadi bright.
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utk plucking bagi aku lebih suka pakai bridge pickup sebab bunyi lebih rata dan seimbang kekuatan antara tali. ini disebabkan getaran tali lebih seimbang pada kedudukan bridge.
boleh plucking pakai neck pickup, tapi kengkadang tali tali besar bunyi terlalu kuat and susutain lebih tapi tali tali kecik 1 2 3 punyi kurang kuat n sustain pendek. Ne disebab tali besar lebih lama 456 n kuat bergetar pada kedudukan neck berbanding tali kecik 123.
/// kalo salah harap betulkan... hehehhe
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| Bode |
| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| No strict rules actually...just experiment and do what you like...if you do something different then others, you may create your own signature tone as well. |
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| silbi |
| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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cayolah...
i've always been a fan of the bridge coz layan metal sikit...but lately ni semenjak try guna neck pu, i find the sound irresistable...maybe i'm mellowing with age. Coz lately i find that the bridge punye tone is a little bit too bright and trebly...
so i guess it's up to what we like...and how old we're getting...haha...
but maybe if we do a cover, and in order to get the tone of the original song, better kita try pakai the same pikap selection of the original guitarists kot...
so - lu orang tahu kirk hammet selalu pakai pu mana satu for most of his riffs? i really cant freakin tell...
semalam tgk video G3 (concert G3 pernah tgk dulu kat bukit jalil tapi kena hambat polis pukul 4 pagi...kekeke...)..steve vai guna banyak neck pikap bila main for the love of god...tu yg sound merdu tu...
btw - last nite kat guitar store hartamas, gua test fender SRV usa (RM7.8K) with a fender dual reverb twin amp (RM7k) ada customer ni baru angkat...perghh...clean tone dia on the neck PU with bit of reverb best giler babs siot...tak terror main blues terus rasa macam terror siot...
(and to me that's nearly to the perfect tone that i've even heard from a clean electric guitar...)
so now i understrand why ppl dig fender strat so much....mana gua nak cekau rm15 ribu ni nak beli the setup?? hmmm...
anyways, back to the topic - bila pulak korang pakai the middle pikap?? i hate this position coz noise banyak sangat... or maybe that's just my cheap guitar? hehe.... |
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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jarang lah org pakai middle pickup.. kalau tgk malmsteen main pon, dia switch back n forth between neck / bridge pickups.. kan?
tp kengkadang bila dpt amp yg too bright n treblish, aku guna middle position (half bridge, half neck pickup - guitar aku dual humbucker) utk riffing, solo baru switch ke bridge for more clarity, dan yg penting sekali boleh bikin artificial harmonic (scream!!).. hmm baru aku ingat kenapa aku suka pakai bridge pickup.. hehe sbb nak dpt bunyi guitar menjerit tuh.. hehe
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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when playing Live.you will realize the bridge pickup will cut through more than the neck pickup. (assuming you have a synth player , drummer who can't control his volumn and a 2nd riff guitarist who turns his guitar real loud)
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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sometimes it's like asking "which color is best for painting?" ....the colors don't make you a better artist, you can paint with just with one brush/color if you're great like Picasso.
I think just use whatever pickup sounds best to you, you'll probably notice that most of your tone comes from the fingers and how you play anyway...then after a certain stage you feel a NEED to change pickup position to get different dynamics, so you then change to whichever pickup suits that part of the song.
IMHO if you reach a point where it's hard to get a good sound, it's not the pickup/effects but the playing that needs to be adjusted! 
and then of course there's this thing about rolling off the volume pot a little.......
Ritchie Blackmore (my hero, I quote him all the time!!!!) would just disconnect/remove the middle pickup on his Strats, who needs so many pickups!
and if you are using a line6 product...don't bother changing anything, your sound will be like shit anyway. Digital crap, a thousand effects to mask a basically fake sound [pulling your leg, okta!]
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| Raggy wrote: |
and if you are using a line6 product...don't bother changing anything, your sound will be like shit anyway. Digital crap, a thousand effects to mask a basically fake sound [pulling your leg, okta!]
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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hahahhahahha... raggy so you've sold your POD eh?
i totally agree to raggy about pickup switching... the keyword is DYNAMIC.
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| Raggy |
| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| IZZI wrote: | hahahhahahha... raggy so you've sold your POD eh?
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yes, sold my PODxt to some silly fellow who then sold his POD2.0 to another fellow.
meanwhile, I bought the BOSS ME-50 multi-effects, and I must say it has a damn nice range of overdrive/distorsion tones...it's not analog, though, which is a pity cos can still hear the digital-fakeness but to me it sounds much better than the PODxt's effects. However it does NOT have any amp modelling, which is ok for me cos fedup already with all that modelling crap, I just use the ME50 when I need to play with effects, otherwise i just use my MesaBoogie preamp with analog distorsion=overdrive pedals. |
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