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 Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: Bridge naik biler tune standard |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: |
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uish.. kalau gauge tebal tu biasanya utk tuning standard D atau C kan? kalau E tak ke tegang sangat? tu pasal bridge terjongket...
actually, gitar Squier strat aku pon jd mcm tu, eventhough aku pakai gauge standard .009 - .042... salah satu cara aku suggest ko sendal dgn bateri petak kat belakang bridge tu (belah dalam) mcm yg disarankan oleh mr ultraman_cosmo...
aku guna kaedah tu utk Warlock aku, dan hasilnya sungguh memberangsangkan, tuning lebih stabil bila bend dan palm mute..
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: |
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aiks...aku pakai .010-.050, tuning standard ok je.... 
and it's an SX Strat..... 
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Try tambah satu lagi spring.
Lagi banyak spring baru larat nak tarik itu gauge besar yang standard tuning.
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| cartman, eric wrote: | aiks...aku pakai .010-.050, tuning standard ok je....
and it's an SX Strat..... |
my Squier pon pada mulanya takde problem..
until one day, aku menggatal main tremolo giler2 punya..
aku bantai tremolo tu mcm main floyd rose!
hahahah.. in the end, bridge tu terjongket sampai ke sudah!
moral: jgn la mengada-ngada nak dive-bomb dgn tremolo biasa... 
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| undefined wrote: | thanks zid... actualy aku dah try dah guna something to block kat dalam bridge tu, quite okay jugak cuma still keras sikit aa tali, susah nak bending laa.. maybe tali tu not meant for standard tune macam kata ko kot..
ada cara lain tak selain tukar tali dan bubuh bateri macam ko suggest tu? ke ada kaitan ngan thres rod? (sori eja takbetul) |
i doubt the problem lies on the truss rod, kalo xde buzzing/flat notes dah ok la tu truss rod tu.
but tali gauge besa mmg susah nak bend...so kena ade support.
kalo bending ngn jari no.3 jari tgh kena support gak,
cth. nak bend kat fret 7, so jari no.3 (ring finger) tekan kat fret 7,jari tgh tekan tali yg sama tp kat fret 6, so jari tgh support, as not to put all the burden on only one finger.
mcm ni:
http://epongs-guitar.blogdrive.com/images/bend1.jpg
http://epongs-guitar.blogdrive.com/
ataupon bley try Ernie Ball Skinny Top Heavy Bottom .010-.052
ataupon brand2 lain yg offer gauge set mcm tu la.
cth mcm DR Strings Dimebag Signature .009-.050
in total Dimebag ade 5 signature gauge set
so kalo pakai gauge set mcm ni ok la, you get the best of both worlds.
stakat tu je lah ilmu aku yg x seberapa....
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| ultraman_cosmo wrote: | Try tambah satu lagi spring.
Lagi banyak spring baru larat nak tarik itu gauge besar yang standard tuning. |
setuju dengan yang ni, tambah kan spring. then adjust claw screw tu balik.
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| cartman, eric |
| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: |
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gitar aku xde problem, bridge nya x terjongket.
but saje lepas bace thread ni aku gatal tgn nak cuba.
so i did this.
aku beli eraser (ala...pemadam getah...  ) aku sendal kat blkg bridge (tremolo block)
sbb bateri petak tu x muat, and malas nak pikir & carik benda nak sendal... 
lepas tu cabut 1 spring.
so skang even with .010-.050 string gauge on a standard tuning,
bending is a breeze compared to previously (3 springs with nothing disendalkan behind the bridge)
so everything turned out good
but 1 thing that i'm still in the dark is, is ok to use rubber.
does it absorb more vibration or does it transfer more..??
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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setuju dgn eric cartman.. ada risiko truss rod ..
sebenarnya kalau kita tukar je gauge string, kita kena setup balik guitar.. intonation mungkin lari sebab size string dah bertukar.. calculation utk intonation berkait rapat dgn size tali. (tp kesan dia mungkin tak ketara sgt)
apa yang paling penting..bila kita tukar string gauge yang berbeza size (lebih besar atau lebih kecil), kesan yang wujud ialah string tension.. Kalau lagi besar string, string tension semakin bertambah. String tension ni akan beri kesan pada ketahanan neck dan kekuatan spring yang kat bridge block tu(bhg belakang body guitar).
So kita kena setup balik truss rod supaya bila kita tuning ke standard tune, neck akan membengkok dgn betul. Tak lebih dan tak kurang..tiada buzzing..
tolong tambah info..
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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rubber, percubaan yang creative.
ader 4 benda penting sebenarnya yang perlu diambik kira kalo korang nak modified tremolo masing masing. Walo pun dalam keadaan still kuar bunyi or even memana note kat fret board tak der problem.
1. sustain guitar
- adakah modified tu effect kat susutain. if sedikit sustain kurang maybe ok tapi bila dah tahap sustain terlalu pendek makna dah tak OK.
2. harmonic guitar
- harmonic guitar biasa tidak berkadar terus dengan sustain.
- maksudnya kalo harmonic tinggi biasa sustain akan turun.
- kalo sustain tinggi biasa harmonic kureng.
- biasanya utk guitar sustain tinggi diorang akan carik pickup yang harmony tinggi to ballance.
- macam Lespaul guitar, kalo ketatkan tail piece ke body biasa sustain bertambah tapi harmony kurang.
- tapi kalo tail piece tu dilonggarkan skit maka harmonic akan bertambah tapi sustain abit kurang.
3. Resonance
- ne biasa berkaitan dengan neck, body, hardware, lobang udara.
- Biasa kita kurangkan benda yang serap getaran.
- biasa berkaitan dengan join neck, air gap, structure, ketat dan sebagainya.
- dan tambahkan benda yang gandakan getaran macam plat besi kat guitar resonance.
- so kene tau aper benda yang bukan resonance transfer biasanya benda yang keras macam bone nut.
4. overall guitar tone n ballance.
- sustain betul, harmonic betul, resonance betul. dalam keadaan yang sesuai.
- ne kaitan dengan body tone + harmonic.
- too bassy or too middle (boxy) or to bright.
- ne kaitan dengan 2 piece, 3 piece, solid wood, top wood dan sebagainya.
UTK getah aku tak tau.
- mesti ader effect kepada 3 benda ne.
- maybe akan kill hamonic n resonance.
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mlm smlm aku try acoustically je gitar tu lepas mengatal... 
mlm ni aku try plugging it in...
see if i'm losing anything..
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: |
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cik ultraman_cosmo, nak kasi clear beberapa kecelaruan...
| ultraman_cosmo wrote: |
1. sustain guitar
- adakah modified tu effect kat susutain. if sedikit sustain kurang maybe ok tapi bila dah tahap sustain terlalu pendek makna dah tak OK. |
- berapa pendek is terlalu pendek..??
| ultraman_cosmo wrote: |
2. harmonic guitar
- harmonic guitar biasa tidak berkadar terus dengan sustain.
- maksudnya kalo harmonic tinggi biasa sustain akan turun.
- kalo sustain tinggi biasa harmonic kureng. |
- sustain..??as in fretted note..??
- penjelasan ni berbunyi mcm 2perkara ni berkadar terus
- ade typo ke pada baris pertama tu..??
| ultraman_cosmo wrote: |
- macam Lespaul guitar, kalo ketatkan tail piece ke body biasa sustain bertambah tapi harmony kurang.
- tapi kalo tail piece tu dilonggarkan skit maka harmonic akan bertambah tapi sustain abit kurang. |
so lighter string tension = better harmonic..??
higher string tension = better sustain..??
mcm tu ke..??
aku pernah baca bende ni before..
guitarist yg biasa suka solo and bend string prefer to set the tail piece higher
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Betul juga katanya... kalo pendek... berapa kah pendeknya?
payah juga nak terangkan pasal setiap tali pun sustain tak sama.
Tali 456 sure sustain lebih berbanding 123.
- aku pun yak reti nak kata berapa panjang.
- sustain ne biasa berkaitan dengan string, nut n bridge, body n neck join.
- pendeknya adalah jangan sampai bunyi macam guitar akustic yang di cucuk kat amp guitar.
- walo cam mana pun sustain pun orang terangkan ada dua jenis sustain, iaitu real sustain n fake yang datang dari segala stombox or other benda effect.
- walo cam mana pun ader pekara lain yang penting pada sustain, iaitu macam mana sustain tu release. Macm mana dia ending. Kita tak nak bunyi tu turun mendadak or menjunam macam volume pot murah beli kat jalan pasar. Kita nak bunyi dia turun slow n steady.
- ini dikatakan sustain yang bagus. Bukan sustain yang panjang.
- kalo aku, aku sanggup gadaikan sustain panjang utk tingkatkan benda banda lain seperti resonance or harmonic.
Tak ,memang betul tidak berkadar trus.
- sustain bagus macam guitar set neck biasanya harmonic kurang.
- harmonic ne berkaitan dengan frequency lain yang kuar dari tali guitar selain frequency note yang kita boleh dengar.
- kelongarang struktur keras macam besi yang lain seperti tail piece juga menyebabkan getaran. dan getaran itu akan menghasikkan frequency dan bercampo dengan frequency getaran tali guitar.
- maybe korang biasa dengar upper harmoni freguency.
- harmony ne biasa disebabkan oleh ader kelonggaran or gap udara antara benda benda yang bergetar. Contohnya spring tremolo pun bergetar pada frequency yang rendah cuma kita tak dengar. But frequnccy ini boleh menjadi effect kepada harmony string tersebut.
- JIKA kita petik satu note, sebenar nya ader banyak frequency yang terlibat. Ada banyak otave pun bunyi juga tapi terlalu rendah. Bunyi yang kita dengar jelas adalah frequency paling KUAT sebenarnya. Ada frequency lain yang kuar bersama bunyi yang kita dengar.
- Kita pun tau guitar hanya bunyi dalam range 80 ker 200 Hz jer. Tapi dari mana datang bunyi treble metal yang sampai range 1kHz ker 10kHz.
- sebenarnya aper yang kita lakukan dengan stombox adalah boost frequency harmonic guitar nyer yang signal sangat lemah.
Harmonic.
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/harmonics.html
- maybe this ill help.
Natural Frequencies
A frequency is called a natural frequency if it can exist without any driving source. With our string, there is a physical interpretation of natural frequencies. A frequency is a natural frequency if its waveform has nodes that match up with the ends of the string. When you pluck a string, you are causing it vibrate at these natural frequencies. The lowest frequency at which this occurs is the fundamental - the pitch you hear.
Of course, the waves in the string can have other nodes, in addition to the nodes at the ends of the string. These waves come from the other natural frequencies, which are the upper harmonics (also referred to as the higher partials). When you pluck a string, you are hearing a combination of these natural frequencies, and not a single tone. Looking back, we can see that figures 1 and 2 show a string vibrating at two of its natural frequencies - the fundamental and the second harmonic respectively.
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