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| What's the difference between ZOOM GFX8 and GFX5?? |
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| jtangsw |
 Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, guys. Your discussions here are very valuable to me - especially the combination of the multi-fx board with my current stomp boxes.
Really appreciate it.
Hope that I'll be able to get something nice, rare and cheap from the US as well.
Yeah!
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: |
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yaa aku dah dapat solution utk mereka yg inginkan produk Zoom yg terbaiikk... solution dia, belilah Zoom G9.2tt... kenapa? sbb dia ada external send/return loop connectors just like GFX-8 (which will no longer be in production in the near future, i think)..
so you can hook up this baby with any good pre-amp modeler / stompbox / rack / etc such as the great POD's, Boss distortion pedals, etc.. means, just gunakan the G9.2tt unit as multi-efx, but use your own external drive (pedals, racks, amps, whatever) to replace the thin drive sound of Zoom.
so the chain will be like this:
| Code: | | compresssor -> wah / efx1 -> EXTERNAL LOOP -> noise reduction -> preamp / drive -> EQ (6-band) -> Cabinet (for direct recording) -> modulation / efx2 -> delay -> reverb |
you can control the level of the loop or turn it on/off and save it as part of the patch. kalau tak nak pakai external drive pon takpe, the unit itself carries two 12AX7 tubes to give that warm crunch and rich harmonics to your tone (ape ke jadah nye aku pon tak tau - just copy paste from zoom statement! hahah)... tapi harga sendiri mau ingat la... almost RM2k!
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Setau aku tube dalam zoom baru bukan lah digunakan dalam preamp simulation, ia lebih kepada warm up the tone setelah stage preamp.
satu utk accelerator n satu tuk energizer.
accelerator
- lebih kepada control solid state or tube feel bagi setiap tone.
- rasanya boleh campo caractor both tube n solid state.
- good furture pada aku.
- sound like tube buffer thing.
energizer
- rasanya ne lebih kepada tube analog output filter.
- rasanya ne stage tube after preamp section.
- ne rasanya baru bagi tube ner signal.
Aku sedikit tertarik pasal Z-pedal.
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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so maksudnye tube tu utk warm-kan sound of the whole signal ke? meaning kalau pakai external distortion pon akan melalui tube tu jugak eh? tak paham la..
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| deadzid wrote: | | so maksudnye tube tu utk warm-kan sound of the whole signal ke? meaning kalau pakai external distortion pon akan melalui tube tu jugak eh? tak paham la.. |
accelerator ne macam nak bagi tube boosting signal caractor.
energizer ne macam utk bagi tube warm tone.
- tapi tu just dari pembacaan sebab tak test lagi G9
Walo cam mana pun kedua dua fungsi ne tak boleh control guna patch. maksudnya kalo defferent patch pun tak boleh ubah accelerator n energizer secara otamatic. Macam global setting la akan dikongsikan kepada semua patches.
Kalo pakai external distortion pun rasanya tetap melalui kedua duanya. Maybe boleh disable kot. dan aku tak pasti kat stage or chain mana kedua dua tube ne berfungsi. tapi dari pemahaman aku accelerator maybe just after guitar, dan energizer setelah preamp or before output.
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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oo gitu rupanye... so apa value yg kita set pada tube tu akan tetap sama utk setiap patch la ye? paham.. paham..
cuma aku tak dapat bezakan sound ada tube / tanpa tube.. ari tu aku suruh brader kat CK demo kat aku tube features pada G7.1ut, tapi yg aku perasan cuma sound dia lagi kuat la (mcm main volume je) dan ada usik eq skit (secara kasar la).. dia kena kontrol 2 knob, satu utk tube level, satu lagi utk energizer.. but then dia mention kalau nak dgr dgn ketara perbezaan tube / no tube ni, kena pasang kuat la.. setakat amp 30 watt tak dengar nye! hehe betul jugak!
pastu aku tanya dia feedback from user, dia ada mention yg Man Greng (bassist, ex-Gersang) punya current band, guitarist dia suka sound G7 or G9 sbb sound dia besar.. then ada satu guitarist band indon pon suka.. pastu aku tanya lak camne kalau compare dgn POD.. pastu dia jawab: haa itu tak leh laa, tak sama level.. mcm nak compare ayam ngan kambing, mana sama! hahaha...
so conclusion dia, beli la Zoom G9.2tt sbg multiefx, then beli Line 6 POD (red bean) utk replace drive module Zoom nih.. so calculate la modal yg diperlukan utk tanggung menatang nih wehehheehehe...
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| fReqZz |
| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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silalah beli zid.. kemudian tolak zoom ko kpd aku... aku byr bulan2.. 
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Aku pun berani syorkan Zoom G9 pasal ader banyak benda baru. Cuma pasal nak pakai module pod ne aku tak berapa setuju sebab signal dari output pod yang masuk kat return loop multiffet lain bunyinya kureng, jadi nipis giler cam tak der body n heaadroom. Pod lebih sesuai utk dia sendiri jer. Wah or pedal before pod rasanya ok lagi. tapi kalo letak single effect after outpod jadi kureng sangat. Mungkin ada kaitan dengan compress signal dari output pod.
maybe aku yang sebenarnya tak reti guna pod... hahahahha.
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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la itu macam pulak ke? meaning takleh letak apa2 lagi efx selepas POD?so output POD mesti masuk directly to amp / mixer, gitu?
tak best nye?  kena cari solution lain la pulak.. cheh.. apa2 hal kena test dulu baru tau.. pakai V-Amp2 pon sama gak kan?
by the way, aku tengok output pada PODxt Live boleh select antara "amp" (sambung ke front of guitar amp) atau "line" (to PA or mixer).. kalau POD red bean tu ada tak feature ni?
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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lobih kurang cam tu lah zid.
by the way, aku tengok output pada PODxt Live boleh select antara "amp" (sambung ke front of guitar amp) atau "line" (to PA or mixer).. kalau POD red bean tu ada tak feature ni?
maybe tu salah satu cara kot. tapi kene try juga. pasal effect loop ne ader macam macam perangai. Dia punya buffer signal pun berbeza.
Maybe ader sollution utk masukan modul preamp pod ker dalam effect lain. Rasanya ada kaitan dengan output destination setting sama der direct or studio. Maybe aku kene buat balik test utk carik setting paling bagus utk pod supaya boleh masuk effect loop lagi cun. nanti aku try bagi feedback terutamanya pod masuk GT-8 nyer loop.
Yang biasa aku buat adalah
guitar >multieffect > pod > pc
other ecternal gadget masuk loop multieffect.
Tapi kat pod biasa aku guna delay, reverb, noise gate, speaker sim[no amp] or kengkadang chorus.
Boleh memang boleh pod masuk mana mana effect loop tapi just aku risau pasal keberkesanannya. Adakah boleh mantain tone dan sound dia.
Pod nyer user jangan bengang plak jer... ne ceta nak carik solution.
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