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| GryMlock |
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hehe kalau curi lagi sebijik2 then bleh la ada case. kalau curi tapi cebis2 jek. susah gak. azwi, kira lagu2 ko kat sini sume ko register MACP ke? take it out! haha aku tanak. kang tak pasal2 nak tolong indies.. aku plak kena bayor memacam. camner nak kaya? hehe
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| bendkds |
| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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memang what adzakael says is true....
tapi, i have never been a fan of si jason lo ni. i don't like his songs even before this shitty thing happened.
so for me, it's like he's spoiling our song when he do that.
but then again, there's surely ppl that don't like Ben's Bitches songs also.
at the end of the day, i believe this is just between Jlo and Ben's Bitches.
we started it and we'll settle it. wait and see. |
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| undefined |
| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| GryMlock wrote: | | hehe kalau curi lagi sebijik2 then bleh la ada case. kalau curi tapi cebis2 jek. susah gak. azwi, kira lagu2 ko kat sini sume ko register MACP ke? take it out! haha aku tanak. kang tak pasal2 nak tolong indies.. aku plak kena bayor memacam. camner nak kaya? hehe |
ko jgn risau la ajeep, aku dah cakap kat diorang (MACP) psl benda ni dan diorang ok as long takde org buat report stolen song cukup hehehe. tapi tu pasal nak tolong indies memang bagus, tapi kalu ada 'pencoduk' lagu2 kat sini buat sell out tu yang tak best tu ye ... ko ajeep kurang kaya takpe, biar lebih RESPECTED! idup ajeep..
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| cklife |
| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| adzakael wrote: | 1.i have the National Disservice CD and both Ben's Bitches and Jason Lo's songs and i have listened to both many times.
2.all songs recorded and kept in i-bands vault are automatically copyrighted to the artist and songwriter (and producer,kalau bertuah la)
3.was it Jason Lo OR Sara Lo who got the CD?
4.ade kemungkinan Jason tak pernah dengar CD tu dan Sara Lo yg bagi idea guna "old newspaper" dlm lirik lagu.
5.yes,kemungkinan Jason dpt idea tu sendri tanpa referring to BB's punye CD tu ada.Benda mcm ni bnyk kali berlaku,sbb aku sendri pernah kena kes gitu dgn this huge corporate (tapi itu different story).
6.comparing Hang Hero and Jason's song,mmg dua2 jauh beza dr segi mood,content and context.Similarity cuma limited dekat part "old newspaper" shj.Lagipun, generic phrase "old newspaper" bukannya dicipta olh Ben's Bitches sama sekali.Takde pulak aku nampak ada tanda dagang/niaga kat tepi phrase tu.That generic phrase has been around for years since God knows when.
7.Idea letak familiar folk phrase/elements kat dlm lagu dah lama org buat.Mcm Korn dlm lagu "Shoot and Ladder",diorang letak nursery rhyme's yg gile familiar dlm lagu diorang.Intro pun pakai idea yg sama,bagpipe dgn serunai.
8."Hang Hero" pakai mood agressive,content pon jenis provokatif.Lagu Jason Lo tu langsung pakai mood dan content yg berbeza.Arrangement pon lain gile.Jadi pertuduhan Jason Lo curi/plagiat lagu Hang Hero tu amat,amat,amat lah lemah sama sekali.
9.Mcm ni la,semua org tak boleh tulis "Aku cinta padamu" dlm lagu diorang psl nanti Sheila Majid marah.Eh,aku rase phrase "Aku cinta padamu" tu dah berkurun orang pakai.Jadi Sheila Majid plagiat lagu sape ek?
10.Sumer org takleh tulis phrase "Forever Young" dlm lagu diorang sbb Youth Group dah guna idea tu dlm lagu diorang.Eh,hold on.Youth Group cover lagu Alphaville "Forever Young",so Alphaville yg patut marah.Tapi tunggu jap.Bob Dylan pon ade lagu tajuk "Forever Young".Rod Stewart pon ade lagu "Forever Young" jugak,sumer tak cover memasing lak tu,sumer lagu lain2.Jadi siape harus tuduh siapa plagiat sape ni? utk list penuh tgk link ni http://www.apra.com.au/site/public/searchworksresult.stm?worktitle=FOREVER%20YOUNG&switchdet=Y
11.Camne lak dgn phrase "Hello,How Are You" Haa,yg tu tgk link ni http://www.apra.com.au/site/public/searchworksresult.stm?worktitle=HELLO%20HOW%20ARE%20YOU&switchdet=Y
12.cube korang pergi http://repertoire.bmi.com/startpage.asp
pastu letak search "Sexercise","Cigarette","Worry" dgn "Stuck in the Rain"
the question would be "patut ke artis2 yg ade kat dlm list tu marah korang psl korang pakai phrase yg sama utk title lagu korang?"
"patut ke diorang sumer tuduh korang plagiat tajuk lagu korang?" |
Thanks for the comments again Ad.
I insist again. Jason Lo did not steal our Song.. Ben wrote that in reference... He pitched the idea from us.. that's about it.. and there's definitely no lawsuit.
Sudah banyak kali kawan aku tanya.. "Did you guys redo your songs faster?... i thought i heard it on the radio?"
I have All three Jason Lo CD at home.. Dawn, Firefighter and The Fall.
When they told me that Jason Lo used it in the Fall.. didn't struck me until i listened to it. hidden right at the end of the album.. no wonder i didn't catch it coz i didn't finish listening to it..........and.. yes.. it's not the same in term of mood of beat..
but.. the rhythm-vocal pitching is still attached like we do.. no wonder people can get mistaken for it....
well.. No worries to all Jason Lo fan.. We draw our line.. and close this..
I dont care if the idea was pitched by Sara Lo or not..
the next time he wanna use something to make him More Malaysian.. I hope he uses something else.... and hopefully he dont pitched idea from the DIY scene again....
kesian lar sikit.. kita makan pun tak lalu kalau mainstream people buat macam tu....
kan kan?? people in I-bands....
big dog eat small dog... |
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| adam |
| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| GryMlock wrote: | | adam: bukan setakat sucks. it's damn scary wei. there might be some mainstream people going through songs on i-bands and picking up "ideas" from the huge pool of uncopyrighted stuffs we have here. |
ya ajeep. saya pun suda kena. i jammed with this guy once (someone la) trus.....femes pula dia.all over radio.with my friggin song and him singing on it.my friends recognise the song cuz i played it to them before that !@#$% curi lagu.oh well.. as long as i know people like the song and its out there.i still wanna bitch slap that fkr tho hehe..
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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hey ben...
klu pikir balik....
kau bayar tak royalti kat amber chia  haha
joanna "fatty" bessey ker... haha
someone 'cleaverly' stole the ideas...
and actually makes money....
mungkin mcm ni laa yang dorg pikir pasal cetak rompak...
hasil karya dorg dicetak rompak...
lanun yang dapat untung...
tp dorg pun ader gak hasil nye..
bukan tak dapat lansung...
ape kata...
kau kasi cd JLO tu kat mane mane pirate of kerebiyen
hahahha
tak pun kau sendiri la jadi pirate....
dpt gak untung  hahaha kire royalti laa...
tp pikir balik....
kite donlod lagu lagu artis (musician) sesuka hati...
mcm mane la dorg rase...
segala karya...
didonlod tanpa halangan...
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| adzakael |
| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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aku rase kalu nak citer psl plagiat ni
kite sumer mcm dah terlupa psl kes lagu "Ayam"
Jalil Hamid vs Doel Sumbang
Jalil Hamid produce lagu "Ayam" dan jd hit
tetiba x lama lps tu Doel Sumbang produce jugak lagu "Ayam"
sebijik word by word,chord by chord
cuma beza kat tempo dgn ade part rapping dlm versi Doel
TAPI
nak jd citer
Doel cakap lagu "Ayam" tu die yg cipta bukan Jalil yg punye
Doel claim die yg tulis dulu lagu tu
haaa ni baru betul kes plagiat tahap agung
aku tak tau sgt ape yg jd lepas tu
tp rasenye mcm Jalil kalah
sesape ade info?
tp aku 1st time dengo lagu "Ayam" ni
masa Jalil Hamid perform kat Shah Alam dlm setahun sblm kemunculan album sulung die.So aku yakin lagu "Ayam" tu Jalil yg punye.
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| kalium |
| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Panda should do something for Jason on Sunday's gig@ KLPAC |
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| theFlyingElk |
| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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under the circumstances that ben and ck just described. i wont be surprise if jason lo did steal the idea. Adzakael argued that having the same title doesnt constitute plagiarism, but its the idea that he stole, and stealing is stealing. how would you feel if you gave your demo to Mawi for free and he changed the chorus a bit change the lyric and make it into a hit song (although unlikely) and then its played to death in Era and with no credits back to you whatsoever?. you have every right to be pissed off, and so does Ben in this case.
anyway, what i would do is maybe you can email jason lo first and ask him did he or did he not took the idea from you? although it wouldnt make any differences now, but i'd still be curious what he have to say about it. hehehe. |
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| cklife |
| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| theFlyingElk wrote: | under the circumstances that ben and ck just described. i wont be surprise if jason lo did steal the idea. Adzakael argued that having the same title doesnt constitute plagiarism, but its the idea that he stole, and stealing is stealing. how would you feel if you gave your demo to Mawi for free and he changed the chorus a bit change the lyric and make it into a hit song (although unlikely) and then its played to death in Era and with no credits back to you whatsoever?. you have every right to be pissed off, and so does Ben in this case.
anyway, what i would do is maybe you can email jason lo first and ask him did he or did he not took the idea from you? although it wouldnt make any differences now, but i'd still be curious what he have to say about it. hehehe. |
Perfectly relevant. 
I'd be even more pissed off if Mawi did..hehehhehe...
But anyway, from what i heard, he claimed he didn't steal the idea.
So, I dont wanna pursue this anymore.
All I have to say for now... Free music in I-bands is too cool to be plagiarized.hehhehehe..... No Mawi, Daniel and Jaclyn in I-bands.. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| kalium wrote: | | Panda should do something for Jason on Sunday's gig@ KLPAC |
Panda panda panda! |
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| bendkds |
| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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IMPORTANT UPDATE!
I recently received a call from who else than Jlo himself. And after a 17 min conversation I felt really sorry for this dude.
He called me about a couple of weeks ago and I've been taking some time to digest our heated debate and have come up with several conclusions that I wish to freely express here in this thread, in this forum. The internet is free and everybody has a right to say whatever he or she wants here and I hope you agree with me on at least this one thing, Mr Lo.
So, like I was saying, I felt sorry for the geezer. I mean, this is a guy who had ppl flip him off with middle fingers during his shows (very similar to our shows except we flip the audience back and most of the time initiate it). He's gone through so much shit and doesn't want to give up.
While many may respect this, I for one can only feel sympathy for the dude. I'm sorry Mr Lo but your music just sucks.
But that's cool. My taste is probably a tad weird anyway and I'm sure some 13 year old nerds are really into it. Whatever. It's not the reason why ppl hate you so much.
You see, you think you're doing something good for everyone but really all you're doing is just making ppl delusional to music.
Rock is a bastard music. It's supposed to be dangerous. It's supposed to be fucking mean and uncompromising. But what you promote through Fat Boys is just plain pee water. It's weak and fake. In the end, the M'sian public has a bad impression of local music and thus doesn't want to go out there and search for new interesting bands. How do you ever hope to gather support from the layman?
Another point I'd like to make is rock the world. Now, I've been several of your rtws and have even been entertained by some of the bands you put in there. But seriously, for the bands it's like a one night stand with a horny Air Asia stewardess. What happened after the big show? Did their careers take off? Or did they fade away?
My good friend Ah Lo, you are a hard working guy. You work hard to organise events. You told me that over the phone and I believe you man. But dude, half the people in the scene have 9-6 day jobs that they HATE and have nothing to do with music but these fine men and women of the underground still break their backs to organise shows, compilations and other freakin' cool shit that doesn't get much coverage in the mainstream media. Half the time, the attendance level is poor but still the show goes on with pride. Cops may come, ppl may get arrested but we'll be fucking damned to let anyone stop us.
Finally, you're an insecure guy. You're more insecure than my ex-girlfriend. That's not good for a rock star. It comes off badly when you're performing as I've noticed from seeing you at the last RTW. For someone who is in your position and holds your power over the mainstream entertainment media, you should be laughing your ass off when a little ciku of a band like Ben's Bitches accuses you of stealing. Maybe you weren't paying attention to the little guys or else you would have known that we're a quirky, juvenile joke band. If everyone took everything we said seriously, my bassist would have been beaten up a hundred times by Chinese gangsters and my former drummer would have been emancipated from his race for voilating several taboos.
This hasn't happened. Why? Well, I hate to blow my own horn, but everyone likes us for being carefree. We're honest and have nothing to prove. Jason, you told me this is M'sia and the shit that my band makes will get me no where. "Maybe in the states", you said. But you're missing the whole point.
IT IS BECAUSE THIS IS MALAYSIA THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR A BAND LIKE BEN'S BITCHES TO EXIST OR ELSE THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYONE AROUND TO ROCK THE BOAT. HENCE, IT IS MY DUTY TO INSULT AND HUMILIATE EVERYONE INCLUDING MYSELF.
I have to cut it short of saying that we are to Malaysia what the Sex Pistols were to the UK.... there I go patting myself on the back again. You see? We're not really that different after all.
But it was great talking to you. It was the first time when a rock star actually sourced out my handphone number. Please don't pass it to any fitness centers, okay? Had enough of those health freaks calling for their free trial sessions.
I certainly learnt a lot about you and myself as well. I promise not to be such a unsensitive bastardo the next time we come into conflict. This is as much as I can do for you to show appreciation for what you did.
Being in this band is freedom infinite. No one can touch us. So thanks for helping me realise that I'm in the greatest band in the world! Or at least in Malaysia... yee ha!
See you at the next show. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Whilst I thought your initial reaction to the Old Newspaper song was immature and stupid (if you dissed 360, Jack and I would pay you a visit at 5am and torch your Pokemon card collection), Lo's resoponse indicates that he's clearly got an inferiority complex (apparent from his website, he displays his awards like a company profile would display achievements, manufacturing/ISO certs - from an artistic perspective, I find such behaviour contrived).
He appears to have delusional persecution "everyone's out to get me" issues too.
OK, enough all ready, stop bitching and toying with the kid.
Get back in the studio and get your lazy asses back to work. |
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| HuntressM00n |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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can i move this post to the artiste gossip section please?
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| kalium |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| HuntressM00n wrote: | | can i move this post to the artiste gossip section please? |
I wouldn't consider it gossip.
More like (perceived) ethics. |
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