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| pentonic |
 Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: strat and tele??? |
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helloo~~~
kepada sume bro2... nak sikit la ..
ape beza fender model telecaster and stratocaster...
(selain dari design)
erm...klu kite grab fender squier from china...same ade tele@ strat..
can we get true of the sound kedua2 model ni...
(sory if someone dah tanye soalan nie)
so aku harap sume bro!!!...and otai2 sanggup memberi penjelasan...
x kisah mereka yg x pakai model fender.....
mengikut pengalaman@pengalaman anda sila jelaskan ya!!!! |
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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sound character mmg sama..
term of tone quality ni, even fender dgn fender dari model yg sama pun akan sound a bit different. Kerana perbezaan urat kayu dan material2 lain mcm pickup dan hardware. tapi sound character mmg akan sama walaupun hanya squier.
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| pentonic |
| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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thanx bro izzi...
bro aku ade kwan bleh beli kan japan fender...
die keje kat japan...almaklumlah~~ kilang fender japan kan dah bukak balik....
but klu aku nak grab japan made skrng nie...
ok ke x ????? |
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| fReqZz |
| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:18 am Post subject: |
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aku tau tele ni twang tone lg kuat.. angkat oi fender japan!!! 
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| pentonic |
| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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bro freqzz....
ape maksud twang tone???
huhuuh...  |
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject: very interesting question |
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my fretted bro,
when leo fender started tele in the 40s, he made the single coil very regonisable. dia dgn doc kaufman. i'm a single coil man, i love this question man...
twang tone? put it this way, that is leo fenders tone. that means pure single coil with alnico magnets and waxed fish paper bobbin on a nitro cellulouse painted body. but nowadays, its very hard to get the tone back even from many reissues guitar from bla bla companies and pickups companies...you know why?
1) they don't use nitro anymore
2) even wires and bobbins are now plastics
3) winding wires used are not as high quality like the previous and they have reduced its wound
4) they are now machine wound, all standard, tak ada makcik macam abigail lagi, when she is so sleepy while working, you end up with overwound pickups like srv 59/62 no 1.
5) wood are no longer aaa grade, nor 1 piece, no aging process.
6) the best part, no more selected woods from canadian river where they kept the log about 5 to 10 years before as standard productions, the even very worst scenario....semalam tebang, harini dah jadi guitar
7) kayu semua ambil yg low grade, dah pedulik dah quarter sawn ke, potong tepi ka, tengah ka, etc etc. oleh tu, quilted maple, flame maple, birds eye ka di bolot lak dik prs, kayu ten top katanya. (ini part, luthier kena tau dan kena terer, kalau tak bunyi tone almari! ha ha ha!)
 lepastu, satu guitar ambil kayu lapan pieces to joint..mana ada lagi 1 piece body kalo tak kastam shop, ha ha ha ha! standard sekarang 3 piece, yg contour dia bersepah2!
pernah tengok cerita nujum pak belalang tak, ada satu soalan kampong sebelah tu dia tanya soalan pasal kayu, dimana hujung, dan dimana pangkal kan? tak tau cerita ni, tanya member atau org tua, depa tau! lagi satu, after setiap soalan ada bunyi "trrring!' kan, ko tau bunyi apa tu?, bunyi guitar archtop kat strings passed after the bridge, most likely hofner, try to believe!....
single coil lak, ada zaman2 dia, before 57, single coil semua flux facing north, after 57 semua pergi south, lepastu depa rojak north south...lepastu depa paham kegunaan reverse wound reverse polarity...ada confuseka? ok, aku tolong kasi paham. pickup north adalah pickups yg depa guna sekarang kat tengah strat, jadi bila ko taruk in between, dia hum cancelling, lebih kurang macam tu la. jadi, bila org kata reissue 54, aku akan check benda2 ni semua..jawapan dia ko dah tau lah, 'kanciang!' kata org minang! itu pasal kalau depa buat sebijik ikut specs, depa panggil replica bro...kastam shop lagi!..ish..ish..ish! price tak payah lah nak tanye2...cek dah tau harga dia nooh!
alamak, macamana nak tau ni bunyik dia ha? sekarang dah ada, texas special lah, 69 lah, fat 50s la...hmmmm! eric johnson 54 strat tone on tube driver, copycat dan howard dumble, hank marvin 60s strat on vox ac30 4 inputs dan wem copy cat, srv 59/62 strat on ts 808, pickup yg aku kata makcik tertidur tu dan vibroverb ceasar diaz..as been said, all after 57 till today is south..aku respect seymour duncan... i learn this from his article..
kalau ko perasan, 70s guitar twang dia kurang....sebab2 article diatas la bro..sini area lu bole tanya abang jimi, uli john roth, richie dan malmsteen..sound amp depa tanya abang jim....
ok, jadi twang tone, duck, quack adalah single coil punye sound. pasal switching dan capasitor tone, aku tak mau sentuh lagi..kayu pun ada character, swamp ash , alder, hard ash, bubinga, paduk, mahogany dan macam2 lagi ada character masing2. glue dan material besi depa guna pun ada banyak contribution to the tone...tele aku suka pickup single coil belakang dia, ada bunyi kuching...gigit!, pickup depan dia fat habis...adaa banyak blues dan country thang! bunyik memang solid kalau ko pakai vintage saddles, brass...strat kalau ko pakai block 60s memang solid, sekarang dah pakai block zink...aku steam 2 guitar ni, my cup of teh tarik...kelebihan strat adalah ada in between, tapi ingat, guitar 66 ke bawah, pre cbs, twang dia lebih...amp pun ada contribution..future kita discuss, i hope, insyallah!....... thanks bro for your very good question. i love it!
with due respect, this article is about single coil and twang tone, humbucker seth dan les paul, and newer pickups concept like vertical stack, lace, kinman, lindly fralin, noiseless next time la kot!..
dah tau mana satu lu mau? strat atau tele?...
woof!
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| mrmerell |
| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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fuhh ... browndog2woof punya penerangan detail gillerrr ... aku rase macam nak campak je gitar aku ...
aritu aku pegi grind gitar aku sampai nampak kayu ... last sekali nampak lah lapisan kayu bercantum ... tak sure 3 atau 4. tapi yang nyata bukan 1 piece..
gitar aku pakai ni era 80an punya .. charvel fusion deluxe .. made in usa lak ..
nampaknya since 80an diorang dah buat camtu lah ..
tapi pada aku its ok to use ... tone is subjective .. this guitar mmg dah sebati dgn aku .. pada aku better ada signature sound sendiri , stail sendiri .
Antara tele dan strat aku tak tahu .... tapi haritu aku main strat mexico ... bunyinya sungguh clean ... jelas ... emmm ... sedaplah untuk main blues n clean n rock n ntah hapa2 lagi. |
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| mrmerell wrote: | fuhh ... browndog2woof punya penerangan detail gillerrr ... aku rase macam nak campak je gitar aku ...
aritu aku pegi grind gitar aku sampai nampak kayu ... last sekali nampak lah lapisan kayu bercantum ... tak sure 3 atau 4. tapi yang nyata bukan 1 piece..
gitar aku pakai ni era 80an punya .. charvel fusion deluxe .. made in usa lak ..
nampaknya since 80an diorang dah buat camtu lah ..
tapi pada aku its ok to use ... tone is subjective .. this guitar mmg dah sebati dgn aku .. pada aku better ada signature sound sendiri , stail sendiri .
Antara tele dan strat aku tak tahu .... tapi haritu aku main strat mexico ... bunyinya sungguh clean ... jelas ... emmm ... sedaplah untuk main blues n clean n rock n ntah hapa2 lagi. |
fretted bro,
80s memang time experimental, happening! charvel ko tu pakai floyd rose steel yang pakai screw terus ke body tanpa housing ke atau dah ada cast anchoring. yang best ko pakai dia punya (bukan under licence)sendiri atau german made. tak silap aku 80s punya semua pakai ori. cuba try nut lock steel dan machine head steel for better tone transfer..perasan tak fender usa floyd punya signature macam richie sambora apply this on their guitar? tapi tarahal, abang joe satriani tak pedulik pun, dia rembat je...but js 1 neck dia sebijik macam strat tanpa wood joint near the nut to the machine head, tak tilted. vintage frets lagi....pickups mau sesuai dengan guitar dan playing la bro, so, lets rock on bro! by the way, before aku log off, siapa tau mr floyd tu bangsa apa? ha ha ha, one tricky question yg aku pernah kena!
woof! |
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