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 Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE(scale) |
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benda ni dah lama dipikirkan dan masih keliru...
LYDIAN(scale)
quick reference guide
1-formula:1-2-3-#4-5-6-7
2-differentiating scale degree:#4
3-for chord types:ma(#11),ma6(#11),ma6/9(#11),ma79(#11)/ma13(#11)
4-harmony:Ima7-II7-IIImi7,#vmi7b5-vma7-VImi7-VIImi7
5-common progressionsI-II,I-II-VIImi,I-VIImi,I-VIImi-VIImi
sesiapa tolong jelaskan perkara diatas...(1,2,3,4,5)
adakah benda ini berkait?
bagaimana nak compose lagu contoh guna lydian, adakah kena pakai progression tuh atau bagaimana?
sesiapa yg ada pengatahuan diharap dapat berkongsi bersama....
terima kasih..
jasa anda akan dikenang... |
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| Mad Souls |
| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: |
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nak explain tak reti..heheh..tapi kalau nak dgr lagu yg byk pki lydian mode ni..dgr la lagu2 joe satriani eg Flying In A Blue Dream..etc. maybe sifu2 i-bands blh explain lebih lanjut. anyway good luck!
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| omarjamaludin |
| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 tu refer pada Major scale
cth 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
C D E F G A B <- ni major scale
so kalau utk lydian dia kata #4 maksudnye
C D E F# G A B (F note yg position no 4 ni di sharpkan)
tu jela aku reti nak jawab..yg part chord2 tu aku tak tere sgt hehe..
basic2 mode bleh laa...
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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thanks brother..
benda tu aku dah tahu..
ada sesiapa tahu macam mana nak compose song use mode? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| complete Rock guitar Book wrote: | thanks brother..
benda tu aku dah tahu..
ada sesiapa tahu macam mana nak compose song use mode? |
Baik buat lagu dari perasaan dan hati. Kalau dok pikir pasal mode untuk pengasas buat lagu, selalunya lagu tu kurang feel dan nanti bunyi 'mekanikal'.
Contohnya Satriani...dia memang paham sedalam dalamnya pasal modes semua, tapi masa solo dan buat lagu dia terus main dari hati dan tak fikir langsung pasal modes.
Modes ni, masa belajar dan prektis, kita memang kaji betul2 dan biasakan dengar contoh2 gitaris2 ternama menggunakan modes2 tersebut dalm konteks lagu. Bila kita buat ini semua, penggunaan modes ni semua dah masuk dalam 'subconscious' otak kita. Jadi bila kita buat lagu, dgn secara otomatis pengetahuan modes kita akan keluar sendiri dgn tidak payah dipaksa. Yg pentingnya, bila buat lagu, ikut naluri hati dan jiwa kita...and let the music do the talking 
(Bro...thanks for your pm...nanti aku sure balas...mungkin panjang sikit la ) |
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| complete Rock guitar Book wrote: | thanks brother..
benda tu aku dah tahu..
ada sesiapa tahu macam mana nak compose song use mode? |
any chords that are made up from lydian mode scale...
for example C lydian C D E F# G A B
you can use any progression you like as long as those chords have these notes..
any other notes would end up as sour note.unless you are aiming for chromatic effect like bluesy2/jazzy stuff....
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: aaa |
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opss... mencelah sikit... apa beza mode dgn scale? adakah dua dua nya sama ? bila pula kita mau apply mode? dan bila pula mau apply scale? Thanks... 
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: aaa |
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| randy_rhoads wrote: | | opss... mencelah sikit... apa beza mode dgn scale? adakah dua dua nya sama ? bila pula kita mau apply mode? dan bila pula mau apply scale? Thanks... |
correct me if i m wrong...
setahu aku mode ngan scale apply masa solo.
mode beza sket dari scale biasa contoh pentatonic ngan dorian mode.
pentatonic dengar macam mainstream sangat(cikgu aku kata la) n mode macam add spice skt la masa kita solo. example, kalau kita nak buat solo macam santana, setahu aku santana guna minor chord. kalau kita guna minor pentatonic n nak buat solo macam santana tak akan jadi(mengikut pengalaman setahun jagung aku la). tapi kalau guna dorian mode solo kita akan lagi sedap n lembut...
aku ambik dari buku
"modes are simply scales, or more precisely,scales within scales. they are created by shifting the tonal center away from the root-or tonic-of a scale, to another note of that same scale, thereby creating a new tonality.for example,when you play the C major scale from its root (C) to its octave its has the FAMILiAR "do re, mi" major scale sound due to the order of intervals:whole-whole-half-whole-whole-half
now if you play the C major scale again but start on second note(D) and play up to its octave, you have playing a "mode" of the C major scale. you should notice it that it doesnt sound like C major at all, even though you're playing the same notes. this is because you've "shifted" the order of the interval by starting the second note. now the intervallic formula is:whole-half-whole-whole-whole-half-whole.thus,scale within a scale"
HOW MODES R USED
1. as melodic devices for soloing over diatonic chord progressions in major and minor keys
2.as melodic devices fo SOLOING over modal progression
3.as a source for creating "altered" scales..
ini apa yg saya tahu n apa yg saya belajar.sesiapa yg ada ilmu hendak dikongsi silalah reply sebab ILMU TAK BOLEH BAWAK KE KUBUR.. hehe...
harap ini sedikit sebanyak boleh kembangkan lagi style solo kita..
chow!!
NORMAL SCALES IS SOUND MAINSTREAM.... AGREE??
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: !! |
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lupa lak...
sesiapa ada tip macam mana nak compose lagu?
sebab ada hari tuh aku lepak borders times square aku terbaca pasal nak compose lagu use guitar.
then ada satu part pasal chord chart.aku tak sempat nak baca bagi habis sebab segan dah lepak lama situ hehe..
apa itu chord chart?? |
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tak agree..
normal scale ialah salah satu jenis mode dari 7 jenis mode. Contohnya normal major scale ialah Ionion Mode dan natural minor scale ialah aeolian mode.
mode ialah scale atau lebih specific lagi bagaimana scale digunakan.
boleh baca dekat artikel yg saudara Omar buat utk penerangan lanjut. Cuba fahamkan dulu maksud 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 dlm scale then baru boleh cepat tangkap maksud #4, b7 dll..dan fahamkan juga maksud # dn b.. baca atikel omar tu..
aku setuju apa yg bro bode cakap..
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aihhh..since i was active in guitar forums..prob few years ago..
i still don't actually get what "modes" is 
suddenly somebody tells me..its about the Chord progression..phrygian mode : E , F ,G ..then you use C major/Aminor scale to solo over it..
suddenly somebody tells me..its about ..when you play D minor Chord under a C major progression...you emphasize on D note to solo over it..
and..majority of pianist , sax , bassist that i know..never even heard what "modes" are...when they improvise jazz..they just stick to the major scale..with twist here and there..such as under C chord progression..they use a G major scale to solo (add F#) ..this is probably related to modes..
and..there are good musicians who tell me you don't need modes , just enjoy what you are playing and just stick to major/minor/harmonic/melodic with chromatics
and..like Doc here , play with your heart and get over with modes thing..
i am not sure ..AT ALL..too many answers..
but anyway..i have my own theories..
which are ...example..DORIAN MODE in a C major Scale = D ..
CHORD = Cmaj9 - C , E, G, B , D
^so..Cmaj9 is a Dorian Chord ?
therefore , i just strum a Cmaj9 ..follow up with a appregio that starts with D , E, G, B, C ,D ,E, G,B, C ,D
and i get a dorian mode sounding thing..
pros , MIN , ponch , omar ..correct me if i am wrong ? lol
hope i am right..cause i kinda applied it into LOTs of my playing..ah well..if its not a dorian mode ,nvm..i will call it the gapster's wank lick 
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oh..btw..
as we are studying modes and all..
please don't forget a saying (by a respected shredder i know)
its not about what scale is used, is how you use it
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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bro izzi,
mana nak baca artikel tu?
i agree wit u. ionian is the modal name for the major scale aeolian is the modal name for natural..
suppose write there pentatonic scale sound main stream..hehe
thanks for ur information.
berharap otai i band akan terus mengajar budak yg baru nak serius main guitar macam saya...
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| gapster wrote: | aihhh..since i was active in guitar forums..prob few years ago..
i still don't actually get what "modes" is
suddenly somebody tells me..its about the Chord progression..phrygian mode : E , F ,G ..then you use C major/Aminor scale to solo over it..
suddenly somebody tells me..its about ..when you play D minor Chord under a C major progression...you emphasize on D note to solo over it..
and..majority of pianist , sax , bassist that i know..never even heard what "modes" are...when they improvise jazz..they just stick to the major scale..with twist here and there..such as under C chord progression..they use a G major scale to solo (add F#) ..this is probably related to modes..
and..there are good musicians who tell me you don't need modes , just enjoy what you are playing and just stick to major/minor/harmonic/melodic with chromatics
and..like Doc here , play with your heart and get over with modes thing..
i am not sure ..AT ALL..too many answers..
but anyway..i have my own theories..
which are ...example..DORIAN MODE in a C major Scale = D ..
CHORD = Cmaj9 - C , E, G, B , D
^so..Cmaj9 is a Dorian Chord ?
therefore , i just strum a Cmaj9 ..follow up with a appregio that starts with D , E, G, B, C ,D ,E, G,B, C ,D
and i get a dorian mode sounding thing..
pros , MIN , ponch , omar ..correct me if i am wrong ? lol
hope i am right..cause i kinda applied it into LOTs of my playing..ah well..if its not a dorian mode ,nvm..i will call it the gapster's wank lick |
i'm not sure if there's such thing as a dorian chord? but the way you approach your soloing in regards to the chords seemed to be correct.. i'm not that knowledgeable about modes also..just basic2 what is definition of modes etc... chord progression in modal terms - i'm still not that familiar with... but at the end of the day if you just stick with notes found in the mode/scale for both chord formation and soloing then you should be allright
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| complete Rock guitar Book wrote: | bro izzi,
mana nak baca artikel tu?
i agree wit u. ionian is the modal name for the major scale aeolian is the modal name for natural..
suppose write there pentatonic scale sound main stream..hehe
thanks for ur information.
berharap otai i band akan terus mengajar budak yg baru nak serius main guitar macam saya...
thanks all!! |
boleh cari kt menu articles kat atas tu.. bro omar tulis dah lama dah.. aku pun blajo dari situ...hehe
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