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| danger3s |
 Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: Tuka capacitor |
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ello people.
Aku ade sebiji Les Paul yg aku nak upgrade electronics die, tapi gita ni gune 'metric' style electronics so kalo nak tuka kepada switchcraft's jack & switch dan jugak CTS pots akan timbul sedikit masalah so aku malas nak tuka untuk mase sekarang.
Cume sekarang aku berminat nak tuka capacitor saje.
So nak tanye la, adakah ngan tuka capacitor je macam Orange drop cap / Bumblebee / Musicap akan kasi significant difference to my tone?
Aku jugak bercadang nak wat 50's wiring dalam les paul ni, adekah aku bole just gune je stock pots,switch,jack?
Time kasey kerana tolong yeh.
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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cap dlm electronic guitar ko tu akan berfungsi bila ko apply knob tone tu. ia berfungsi utk bias eq ke bass atau trebble frequensi. pakai caps jenis apa pun boleh as long as non polarity.. caps yg lebih mahal biasanya kelebihannya dari segi ketahanan terhadap certain temperature. Selain tu, caps jugak memainkan peranan dlm sound clarity. Tp itu jika dlm circuit radio atau effect. Utk guitar electronic, minor effect jer.. yg memainkan peranan besar utk guitar punya electronic ialah VALUE caps tersebut.. semakin besar value, semakin bassy bila ko tutup tone knob.
stock pot boleh.. tp alang2 dah les paul, guna la komponen yg setaraf hehehe..
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| danger3s |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Itula yang aku skeptic sangat ni.
Aku bace review2 kat forum lain macam2 pendapat ade. Sorang cakap ade significant difference, ade cakap just nak 'the best' for the guitar walopun diorang x denga pape, ade plak gita jadik 20x better. Ku jadik pening dan confused.
As far as clarity goes aku setuju ngan ko sebab aku dah a-b tokai ni ngan a few gibson lp. Aku x denga celah mane 'clarity' yang diorang cakap tu, other than tokai nih lagi round, fat and midsy, dan clean die x terlalu crispy sgt but sweet & warm, which aku tersangatlah suka.
Aku x paham apsal CTS and Switchcraft tu bagus sangat padahal jepun bukan lagi power ke bab2 elektronik nih? Bukan PS2 kuar dulu baru Xbox ke? hehehe
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| IZZI |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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20x better? takde la.. tak boleh dengar sgt pun beza sound hehe.. cuma gabungan pot dan caps tu kena betul dgn kehendak kau sebab bila tukar value caps, frequency bass akan berubah.. mungkin ko prefer bila ko tutup knob tone tu, akan effect pada frequency bass sekitar 100-300hz misalnya, jadi just pilih value yg betul je.. (sebarang value still berfungsi)..
sound round, fat and midsy, clean tak terlalu crispy sgt tu ialah disebabkan kayu body + kayu neck + pickup guitar ko..
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| danger3s |
| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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So what exactly does changing your electronics do to the sound?
Clarity, like sebelum ni cam semak/noisy, tapi kemudian lebih jelas?
Dalam live situation I dont see how that's a big deal. Cables, amp, mixer seme masuk dalam equation so just a tiny 'semak' just won't add that much to already noisy circuitry.
Or cheap electronics akan buat ko hilang sustain, atau warmth, atau mende2 camtu?
IZZI ko selalu ke tuka2 or upgrade electronics nih. Cite la sikit pengalaman dan result ko okeh.
Aku tengah contemplate samade berbaloi ke tuka mnatang ni seme..
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Pot gibson ada number belakang dia, benda ne kira salah satu identiti utk perbandingan original ker clone.
Ceta pasal wiring guitar la.
Capasitor
- sebenarnya kita perlu carik capasitor yang tahan lama dan consistent value dia. non polarity
- polycap, metal cap rasanya dah cukup baik.
- bukan the big isu kepada guitar sebab the circuit adalah passive.
- cuma prihal value, kalo nak gibson style ikut la value dia, gitu juga fender or sebagainya.
- jangan overheating cap masa soldering or desolder.
Pot
- ini a bit tricky skit.
- size, long shaf or short sebab les paul ne biasanya guna long shaf dan guitar pakai pickguard macam strat biasa pakai shaf yang pendek.
- pasal 250k or 500k lebih warm dan sebaliknya itu aku tak berapa kesah sebab 500k sentiasa utk humbuker dan 250K sesui utk single coil.
- Tapi akan berlaku msalah sekiranya ada humbuker dan single coil kongsi satu master volume dan output pikup masing masing adalah berbeza.
- sebaiknya go for quality pot taper. Sebab pot pun ada masalah capasitan macam cable panjang. Pot quality biasanya nilai tepat can consisten dan kurang capasitan.
- biasanya kita guna audio log.. yang tulis A250k. A mean audio.
- utk volume ada guitar pakai linear pot cth B250K tapi walo cam mana pun audio pot lebih digemari sebab bila kita main volume dengan jari [fading in /out] lebih senang.
- tapi utk tone sebaiknya gunalah Audio pot sebab lebih senang nak control amout bass treble.
- memang ada baiknya guna pot yang quality atau khas utk guitar, sebabnya pot murah 80sen jalan pasar cepat terhablor plat dia dan akan kuarlah bunyi krak krak bila di pusing.
- biasanya aku sembo sikit wd40 supaya dalam pot berminyak dan tahan lama.
- Tapi antara yang ingin aku syorkan adalah treble compensation pada manual pickup dimarzio. install resistor dan cap parelel dengan kaki satu dan 2 volume pot. Guna ceramik capasitor pun tak apa.
http://www.dimarzio.com/media/diagrams/4Conductor.pdf
- jangan fried [over heating] pot terutamanya masa soldering to ground or soldering ketiga kaki.
- biar kan pot pada position zero adalah lebih selamat. Tapi aku biasa tak berapa berkira sangat benda ne. just do quick soldering,
Wire
- ini boleh tahan penting juga,
- tak pakai wire biasa yang hitam merah tu.
- kita guna wire yang ada bare sheilding.
- guna for every connection dan sentiasa bare to ground sebagai shielding utk setiap signal.
- sebenarnya konsep nyer sama jer macam kita beli wire quality.
- panjang utk setiap connection biarlah sesuai, jangan la terlalu panjang.
- just cut sedikit sahaja hujung wire utk soldering.
- tapi kalo conection just utk shielding, single wire tanpa bare pun tak per.
Switch
- Aku lebih suka switch yang bukan box utk 3 way le paul punya.
- Banyak beza dia, kalo lihat secara makinikal, switch dibawah ne lebih baik kerana tidak akan ada circuit terputus [break] walo mili second pun masa kita tukar pickup. SO Kemungkinan utk bunyi pop or krak adalah rendah.
Shielding
- aku baru jumpa satu kedai yang ada jual plat kuprum nipis utk buat shielding.
- shielding yang bagus biasanya hasilnya low noise dan tak humming.
- shielding the whole cavity terutamanya bahagian dalam or cavity cover.
- tapi jangan plak lupo connect to ground.
- cuma memang payah nak reinstall balik wire ground kat stop bar, kalo lah dijadikan ceta, terputus dan sebagainya.
Other
- benda lain macam output jack pun boleh uphrade juga. tak der la pusing cable pun bunyi krak krak. or mudah terputus jika getaran 0r hentakan kuat kuat.
correct me am i wrong.
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| danger3s |
| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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What a great reading, thank you!
Allright nampaknye the more I read, the more aku convinced aku xyah susah2 nak upgrade electronics nih.
Semalam aku baru tuka orange drop caps and amazingly memang btul, xde ape2 perubahan pun.
I'm assuming since xde pop, crack, hum and noise, my electronics is up to the par, or at least good enough to the standard.
Lagipun they're made in japan, what could go wrong? hehe
Thanks all! IZZi n UltramanCosmo!
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| eymejam |
| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Mana bole dpt Bumblebee? Aku pon ade plan nak tukar menatang nih..
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| danger3s |
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