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deathline

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject:

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erm, as for me, at the end of the day, its harian metro la (no offense, bro) they live for stories like this. hihi
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cklife

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject:

Joined: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 62

adzakael wrote:

benda yg betul2 concerns me bile ck ckp lirik jiwang=lirik setan.itu bg aku being ignorant.

as the discussion went on,aku nampak beberapa lagi benda.Seperti memerlukan org lain utk jawab soalan aku or to point out what is BB actually doing.

This indicates BB have no idea of what they were doing.

Plus,soalan2 aku masih lagi tak berjawab.Apa keperluan provokasi itu?Is it utk sedarkan org ramai or targeted to certain group?Kalau ya,perlu ke guna ayat2 sebegitu?

Jalil Hamid ada buat lagu psl Tongkat Ali,The Divine Comedy ade lagu 'Generation Sex',but i can't recall anything vulgar in both songs.Or Pak Pandir,who in Kalium's opinion has punk attitude,never uses such dirty and vulgar words to address any issues.(And yeah,Pak Pandir do have a jiwang song,even Downset ade song with jiwang patah hati lirik).

Now we come to the part where Ben's Bitches need to realize that they need to act according to context.they need to know the limit or else they will only be remembered as a 'band teramat kurang ajar' dan bukan sebagai pengkritik sosial.

Hey dude, I'll answer all your question in person. I can't be bothered to type here everything. It's too subjective for you to interprete, since it's stuck at the mindframe that BB is 'kurang ajar' band. From that word alone i know how much you dislike us.

Kalium's perspective has derived how we set songs in the most intriguing manner to display a song. I can give you two good example (Just 2 ok, i can't be bothered typing the entire album's intepretation)

Pantat Di Indonesia
- It's the only song ever written by a malaysian using indonesian vulgar language that even to Indonesian themselve would not do it.
- It's meant to display that indonesian has been playing 'too safe' in their music making. And hence I quoted that their songs are mostly jiwang.
- My indonesian friends praised that song and circulation took indonesian by surprise, we Malaysian did something they could not (or would not)

Ah Beng Emo Metal Love Song
- Question is - will an Ah Beng ever write an emo metal love song?
- I believe that the glitch in Chinese English speaking should be documented and had people understood. I graduated from Australia, and circulated at least more than 20 copies there. I'd heard comments of cultural exchange thru songs, and people are bogged out by our slang, so having to do a song like that shows that we are able to deliver the song a Malaysian Chinese ever do.
- Catch what's in the lyrics, "Hello Kitty", Feng Tau , "Bah Kut Teh" " Andy Lau's Movie".. a stereotypical phrase to use.
- Be not afraid of racial expression in the songs.

Trust me adzakael, as i had mentioned many many times, if you're gonna believe that orientation of English based Rock music in Malaysia had to sound like an 'International Band'... then you're lost in the musical chapter of Malaysian.

BB even uses traditional flute and kompang to fill songs. We even incorporate all usable language, all words (including swearing and vulgarity expression) that we can think of to be placed in song. Something we innovate on.

kalium

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject:

Joined: 05 Oct 2005
Posts: 218

adzakael wrote:

I think Ben's Bitches work is perfectly within context. In fact, they're one of the few bands that is able to remain within a context and not try to be something their not.

Usage of profanity, like metaphor or other writing tools in artform to grab one's attention and evoke a response is not uncommon.

Here's some work from Rahmat Haron (below), a guy who regularly shares the stage with sastrawan negara Datuk A. Samad Said. Use of stupidity in lyrical structure harks way back to (and probably before) the Dadaist movement.

Does artist need to explain his art? Whether Ben's Bitches had consciously crafted the lyrics and musical arrangements of Berbulu for some meaning or not doesn't matter to me. I fact, I probably post rationalized it (Ben's Bitches probably don't even know what the hell post rationalization is but do I care?). I take it and interpret it myself...that's the fun of consuming art. Unlike pure science and math, where everything has a definitive answer. Art lets you interpret the meaning whichever way you want to. I dislike explaining the meaning of my songs to listeners. Different interpretations give different LIFE to my ART.

From what I've seen, Ben's Bitches work evokes two very different VERY Extreme Responses:

a) Extreme distaste - resulting in a willingness to devote a reasonable amount of time analyzing why Ben's Bitches are profane idiots and not musical geniuses

b) Extreme glee for those who want a soundtrack for sticking our middle finger up at authority and society. Resulting in the Fan videos available on YouTube (I've yet to see a fan video made for a local independent band).

I doubt there's anything in between or much fence sitting when it comes to BB.

And that's what makes Ben's Bitches GREAT artists.

Segala maki-makian untuk kau

Atokmu! Wa lu! Mak kau! Bapak kau! Kanina cau cibai

Pundek! Lancau ! F*ck you! Mother f*cker! Puki! Butoh!

Burit! Bontot! Babi! Jubo! Celaka! Sial! Bangsat!.....

"Boleh", boleh apa? Boleh blah!

Kau buat aku tua terlalu cepat

Berdarah otak

Pecah kepala

Berjanggut berjembut

Melanguk melolong melalak

Melopong nganga, nganga lapang-lapang

Biar terkoyak rahang, biar menjejeh, biar meleweh

Aku mat kental dari sejarah sial

Aku mat bunga dari selambak hapak, rabak - kutu berahak

excerpts from "Kerana mu Malaysia" by Rahmat Haron

cklife

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject:

Joined: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 62

i really do appreciate everyone's support, especially MrBungle, Omar, Kalium and Bode. You guys simply rock.

the rest your comments are valuable to us.

I know some songs are not meant for your kids. But let me frankly tell you this, when they grow older they'll eventually adopt it anyway.
But of coz, I won't encourage 'berbulu' for your 5 yrs old kids. But if you wanna let them listen anyway, it's your choice. It's up to you what you wanna do with the songs.

Cheers people.

kalium

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject:

Joined: 05 Oct 2005
Posts: 218

cklife wrote:

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Make money for me you fucking retards.

I wanna be rich, like Ajeep.

kalium

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject:

Joined: 05 Oct 2005
Posts: 218

cklife wrote:

adzakael's comments are extremely insightful and provide an alternate perspective.

I'm extremely pleased to see people who don't even like your art spending time providing comments.

omarjamaludin

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:52 am Post subject:

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let's agree to disagree..he he
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Bode

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject:

Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Posts: 2033

adzakael wrote:

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But funnily at the same time, nobody is making a fuss about the 'morality' of many other things in society...for example, the magazine 'Mangga'...of course, you will never find phrases like 'Kotek Berbulu' in the magazine, but this magazine do boast a lot of pictures of local female 'artists' showing off 70% of their tits in it's glossy pages. Definitely UN-Malaysian and NOT 'ketimuran/kemelayuan'. And I do notice young underaged kids happily flicking through it's pages. And there are no warnings on the cover saying 'Perhatian: Majalah ini banyak mengandungi gambar buah2 dada yg tiga suku terdedah'

so then be among the ppl who actually talk about that immoral magazine issue.

It has been done before,cume most of us terlepas pandang.

Right now,we are talking about Ben's Bitches album,therefore it is not suitable for us to compare it with immoral magazines issue.Sure,we can talk about that but as a seperate topic.

It seems that you have misunderstood and didnt get the exact points that I was trying to put across in my post.

It's probably my mistake because I may not be expressing myself eloquently enough.

Anyway, everyone has the right to have their own opinion...regardless of me agreeing or not agreeing with it, I do respect that you have yours.

Last edited by Bode on Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:38 am; edited 1 time in total

kalium

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:04 am Post subject:

Joined: 05 Oct 2005
Posts: 218

I think the following statement from Mr. Liew sums up their direction and manifesto nicely:

Quote:

IT IS BECAUSE THIS IS MALAYSIA THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR A BAND LIKE BEN'S BITCHES TO EXIST OR ELSE THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYONE AROUND TO ROCK THE BOAT. HENCE, IT IS MY DUTY TO INSULT AND HUMILIATE EVERYONE INCLUDING MYSELF. - Ben Liew

cklife

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject:

Joined: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 62

Bode wrote:

adzakael wrote:

Quote:

I think you didnt get the exact points that I was trying to put across in my post.

It's probably my mistake because I may not be expressing myself eloquently enough.

Anyway, everyone has the right to have their own opinion...regardless of me agreeing or not agreeing with it, I do respect that you have yours.

Sometimes, we have to broaden the line of censorship due to the advancement in civilization. We can't just censor everything because of the reason of immorality. There is reason why the magazine publish such photos (for sales or visual stimulation so that people can go back and jerk off or whatever reason). People have their right to see what they wanna do or read. See, internet is broad, you can surf porn and even read any philosophy which is deemed immoral people people. I think Choice is the common factor.

Bode, I do think your opinion on censorship acknowledgement or some kinda statement should be placed. I'll consider that next time. We haven't got any reason to censor anything yet. Kids won't commit suicide or rape people after listening to our song.

Guess what, heartbroken people commit suicide after breakups; and normally there's a small catalyst that initiate it such as listening to a damn damn sad Love song about breakup that makes them wanna kill themselve. Maybe Emo song should have a footnote to tell listener that. hehehehhehe..

cklife

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject:

Joined: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 62

kalium wrote:

I think the following statement from Mr. Liew sums up their direction and manifesto nicely:

Quote:

Statement Supported.

kalium

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject:

Joined: 05 Oct 2005
Posts: 218

cklife wrote:

Kids won't commit suicide or rape people after listening to our song.

Their brain cells commit suicide after listening to your songs.

adzakael

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject:

Joined: 18 Jan 2004
Posts: 386

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I know some songs are not meant for your kids. But let me frankly tell you this, when they grow older they'll eventually adopt it anyway.

hmmm
most of the ppl i know seldom or never adapt such coarse language in their everyday life.
even their parents never endorse to use such words in expressing their emotions.
even myself seldoms uses such language and always tried not to use one.
i had this conversation with this lawyer in which we concluded that it is not about the subject (that can't go through censorship board) it is about the language (thats being used to deliver the message).

bersambung...
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kalium

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:42 am Post subject:

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Posts: 218

adzakael wrote:

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I know some songs are not meant for your kids. But let me frankly tell you this, when they grow older they'll eventually adopt it anyway.

Heh....let me guess, you've never worked on an oil rig before.

adzakael

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:09 am Post subject:

Joined: 18 Jan 2004
Posts: 386

oil rig?no
but that does not mean i did not travel much.
sepanjang aku travel dan bermastautin dr barat ke Utara pastu ke Timur then ke tempat beribu-ribu batu jauhnya,dr duduk sama2 buruh Indonesia dan Bangladesh sampai bermesyuarat dng org2 bisnes dan decisionmakers, org yg guna coarse language tersangat la sikit percentagenye.yang selalu pakai pun adelah org muda sesama org muda shj,even org tua sesama sebaya mereka amat jarang guna coarse language.

orang yg aku jumpa sll guna coarse language tend to be orang yg mmg kurang adab sopan dr segala segi.dari situ pun bole nampak apekah paksi kehidupan org tersebut.Tambah lagi kalu kenal famili org tu,dah bole tau camne dan dari mane die dpt perkataan2 tersebut.

aku malas nak kaitkan dgn agama dlm konteks ni,tp terus terang aku ckp org yg kehidupannye mmg berpaksikan agama dan moral serta adab sopan mmg jarang mencarut. Sll aku nampak org bole terima lagi kemarahan org lain tp bile org tu marah disertai dgn carutan,itu yg buat keadaan jd lagi tegang.So,aku nampak dah kenapa kite diajar utk menjaga tutur bicara ketika berkomunikasi.

back to the perkara yg aku tak abis cerita lagi,kite bole je nak cerita pasal seks,dadah,setan,politik,cinta dan lain2 lagi,tp bahasa yg digunapakai hendaklah beradab agar tidak menimbulkan amarah pd pihak lain.Ini dikhuatiri mesej tak sampai disebabkan dibayangi bahasa yg kurang ajar.Contohnye novel SHIT,walopun ia kritik keadaan politik masa itu tp mesejnye tak sampai 100% krn dibayangi bahasa kurang sopan.Ia hanya hidup berlandaskan gimik,bukan isi.

M. Nasir tak perlu menggunakan bahasa carutan utk mencipta kontroversi dan menyampaikan mesej. Lirik2 ciptaannya punya kualiti. Bahasa yg digunapakai dikira tinggi dan masih boleh diterima oleh bnyk pihak (which lead back to the issue of elitism raised by grayheadphones). Die tak perlu merendahkan taraf dirinye utk menyedarkan mana2 pihak yg dituju.
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