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Bode
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Info2 sumbangan semua org dlm thread ni, kalau di compile dan editkan, memang bagus buat artikel utk i-bands!
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IZZI
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bode wrote:
Info2 sumbangan semua org dlm thread ni, kalau di compile dan editkan, memang bagus buat artikel utk i-bands!


cantek gak idea tu bro..

bro check out! ni ada aku try record sound high gain guna GNX 3000 aku.
Masa riff full volume tu sound agak over distorted kat frequency 2khz.. mungkin sebab chorus terlebih..still tgh study lagi menatang ni so result belum berapa memuaskan lagi..Tumpukan pada kesan bunyi aku main volume kat guitar dan picking dynamic.


download my GNX3000 demo


utk sound ni, mula sekali aku pilih amp Marshall Plexi 100 then aku hybrid dgn amp Hiwatt guna function WARP dlm GNX ni. Result dari hybrid amp tu dpt top end, tp kurang bottom so aku hybridkan sekali lagi dgn amp Carvin Legacy. 3 kali hybrid. Kemudian push amp ni dgn DOD 250 preamp overdrive. apply Hall reverb sikit, Analog delay sikit dan chorus.. selain tu byk jugak tweak kat EQ dan cabinet tuning.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Cantik la demo!

Best betul sound...esp bila ko demonstrate the dynamics and the change in tone and timbre with different picking strength. Lagi satu aku suka sebab sound dia 'longgar'.
You mean you can hybrid the amps and even put the efx pedal 'in-front' of the amps? I've got to seriously check this thing out! Kena pergi kacau Sham kat rumah dia! Lol!

But to be frank, the best thing about that demo was your playing. Bloody impressive.
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IZZI
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Bode wrote:
Cantik la demo!

Best betul sound...esp bila ko demonstrate the dynamics and the change in tone and timbre with different picking strength. Lagi satu aku suka sebab sound dia 'longgar'.
You mean you can hybrid the amps and even put the efx pedal 'in-front' of the amps? I've got to seriously check this thing out! Kena pergi kacau Sham kat rumah dia! Lol!

But to be frank, the best thing about that demo was your playing. Bloody impressive.


thanks bro.. bila kita hybrid the amp timbre, effect pedal tak akan accounted. Samada hybrid head amp sahaja atau amp dan cabinetnya sekali. Lagi satu yg menariknya, bila kita hybrid, bukan just one click and the amp pun hybrid..its not like that. Kita boleh pilih byk dimensi utk blend those amps..

asalnya sound dia tight, tp lepas aku push dgn pedal DOD250 baru dia loose mcm tu.. kalau guna tubescreamer lagi loose tp less bottom..
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bro sekalian... ni nak tanya tentang GT6 dengan GT8 la.. boleh bagi tau bezanya??? terutamanya segi tone.... ke??? emm apsal banyak orang suka GT6 more than GT8??? ni x paham la....

terima kasih in advance nye..
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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mungkin sebab gt6 made in japan kot..
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ada satu dealer cakap dengan saya yang Roland next batch kan.. ada satu stock.. yang board dia MIJ.... tapi assemble kat Taiwan la..
juz circuit board MIJ kot .. x tau la.. harga ada lebih sikit.. emmm
what ur guys opinion?
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So aku dah boleh serahkan bab bab multieffect ne kat izzi... hahhahahah.
Gempak seyy demo tu... ko record trus ke pc ker.
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IZZI dah pro gilo skarang ni kat multi-effect.. Laughing
tapi aku betol noob gilo la...
haha
Ultraman ni tetap sifu kita....
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belum pro lagi la bos.. sound yg betul2 aku nak belum jumpa la. Aku rasa mmg tak boleh develop sound dgn headphone.. kena cari output speaker yg jujur.. kalau tak, headphone aku dgr lain, org dgr lain pulak..

yep, demo tu direct USB.. GNX ada ASIO audio interface .. mic preamp pun ada dan boleh guna utk bass.. preset bass ada byk gak..
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Izzi,

aku nak bagi soalan kat engko skit. Maybe boleh help diorang yang nak convert dari stompbox to multieffect. Aku selalu dapat soalan camtu dan kadang kadang dah lengoh nak menjawap.

1. Aper perbezaan paling ketara ko rasa between this two? MFX n stompbox. maybe kalo ader pedal boleh test.

2. Aper pendapat ko tentang mudule digital cam delay, chorus, reverb berbanding yang analog nyer? [aku baru tahu dalam laney amp gua pakai reverb spring real punya]

3. Adakah ko rasa dynamik dalam play hilang akibat digital prosesing?

4. Adakah noise masalah utama dalam mfx dan kerbekesanan digital noise reducer?

5. Adakah ko rasa, mfx boleh bantu dalam kita punya play dan exercise sebab lebih banyak tone caractor boleh dimainkan.

6. Apa benda basic yang perlu tahu before nak guna multieffect?

7. Aper nasihat ko kepada yang ingin tukar dari mfx to pedal?

8. Aper pengalaman dan pengajaran yang ko jumpa setelah guna multieffect berbanding stombox biasa?

Bagi aku secara am nya, multieffect ne macam pirate or beta sofware, memang boleh pakai walo pun bukan benda yang sebenar. Tapi dari benda cam ne lah aku lebih faham akan effect dan caractor amp dan banyak lagi. mfx buat aku realy learn my lesson. Even walo pun aku balik ker stompbox sementara waktu tapi aku rasa dari mfx aku dapat sooo much idea.
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Jawab jgn x jwb...Trust u la bro bro Izzi...Caya laaa...
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1. Aper perbezaan paling ketara ko rasa between this two? MFX n stompbox. maybe kalo ader pedal boleh test.
perbezaan dari segi apa? sound analog digenerate dari komponen manakala sound digital digenerate dari program Digital Signal Processing (DSP) yg disave dlm chip. So digital akan cuba meniru rupa signal analog tu sebijik yg boleh.. mcm kita pakai kasut NIKE tiruan beli kat Petaling street ler.. rupabentuk, persepsi semua dah mmg sama.. tp sebenarnya material sourcenya lain.. then bila kita sarung the real thing.. kita boleh rasa feel dia lain.. heheh..

2. Aper pendapat ko tentang mudule digital cam delay, chorus, reverb berbanding yang analog nyer? [aku baru tahu dalam laney amp gua pakai reverb spring real punya]
sebenarnya kalau nak cerita analog vs digital ni, kena faham mcmana signal analog mcm mana signal digital. Dari sudut signal, mmg takkan akan sama tapi untuk pendengaran dan persepsi manusia, boleh jadi hampir2 sama. So utk persepsi aku, delay, chorus dan reverb dlm MFX aku bagus!! very sweet...

3. Adakah ko rasa dynamik dalam play hilang akibat digital prosesing?
Bergantung pada jenis fx, setting dan player tu sendiri.. dlm analog pun boleh set sampai dynamic tu hilang. Tapi analog boleh pegi jauh lebih dynamic dari digital sebab signal analog lebih byk kebarangkalian..dan analog punya dynamic adalah REAL! manakala digital punya dynamic diprogramkan supaya menjadi seolah2 dynamic..jadi bila keluar sound outputnya, kita yg decide samada nak bersetuju atau tak dgn sound yg keluar tu.. yg penting output dia.

4. Adakah noise masalah utama dalam mfx dan kerbekesanan digital noise reducer?
noise analog pun byk... then dlm analog kadang2 ada masalah polarity pulak bila nak chain pedal byk2 dari lain brand. Digital noise kalau nak reduce noise dari digital source, OKlah. Kalau ko pakai analog distortion, then pakai digital noise supressor, mungkin ada problem la.. digital punya signal not as rich as analog. Analog berganda2 lebih byk kebarangkalian. Kalau nak senang imagine, analog ni signal dia licin, digital punya signal bergigi-gigi..lebih2 lagi kalau sampling rate dia rendah..

5. Adakah ko rasa, mfx boleh bantu dalam kita punya play dan exercise sebab lebih banyak tone caractor boleh dimainkan.
TENTU SEKALI! kalau setakat nak practice kat bilik guna amp 15 watt atau 30watt pastu volume pun tak boleh bukak kuat2.. pakai digital aje. semua effect ada dan boleh blajar kenal setiap effect dan kegunaannya. Bagus utk amatur mcm aku! heheh.. lagi pun sekarang ni zaman digital recording. Pakai analog mcmana sekali pun, bila record masuk pc jadi digital jugak. signal jadi bergigi jugak..Jgn anti digital sgt bang.. heheh..

6. Apa benda basic yang perlu tahu before nak guna multieffect?
Sama aje mcm analog - Setting!.. pakai MFX apa2 pun, benda2 basic mcm gain, bass, mid , treble, volume tu mesti dah tau. then baru boleh go detail, bass nak berapa frequency? 150hz? 200hz? amp 15watt kau support ke bass 150hz? tu baru eq aje.. effect2 lain yg pelik2 tu pun nak kena blajo.. aku pun tgh blajo. Masa pakai analog, takde peluang aku nak pakai Whammy! mahal seyyy....

7. Aper nasihat ko kepada yang ingin tukar dari mfx to pedal?
biasanya org yg nak bertukar ni ialah org yg dah tau apa sound yg dia nak dan apa pedal yg boleh bagi dia sound tu. Bila dah ultimate mcm ni, baru la tukar ke real thing! GOOD LUCK!

8. Aper pengalaman dan pengajaran yang ko jumpa setelah guna multieffect berbanding stombox biasa?
MFX ada mcm2 kat dlm.. kalau tak puas hati dgn satu sound, boleh cuba sound yg lain. Mmg bagus utk amatur mcm aku yg baru nak kenal dan mencari2 sound. Kalau aku pakai stompbox biasa, bila sound distortion tak memuaskan taste aku, aku kena beli effect jenis lain ataupun modify (dont try this at home! nanti ultraman tak leh cari makan). MFX tak, cuma tukar aje jenis distortion lain hahah.. aku hari2 tukar amp!! tp kalau dah mmg anti digital, buat apa pun dia tetap tak setuju juga.. Tapi dlm satu sudut aku respek jugak org yg anti MFX ni.. sebab dia ni sebenarnya org yg jujur.. nak real thing aje.. dia rasa dia berdosa bila tipu org dgn pakai modelling ni.. hahaha..

akhir sekali, pada aku, mfx vs analog tak boleh disamakan mcm cd original dgn pirate macam yg ko ckp tu. CD original dgn pirate tu benda yg sama..cuma issuenya dari segi legal atau illegal aja. Aku rasa lagi bertepatan kalau dianalogikan MFX dgn Stompbox ni dgn perempuan with the real penis atau dgn dildo!! huhuuu.. ok apa yg aku cakap ni semua debatable sebab ni pendapat sepontan aku aje..
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Pakai analog mcmana sekali pun, bila record masuk pc jadi digital jugak. signal jadi bergigi jugak..Jgn anti digital sgt bang.. heheh..


Part ne aku stuju... hehheheheh...
Pro tool utk mastering dan prosesing pun sofware digital juga...

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effect2 lain yg pelik2 tu pun nak kena blajo.. aku pun tgh blajo. Masa pakai analog, takde peluang aku nak pakai Whammy! mahal seyyy....

Salah satu sebab ko tukaq GNX yerrrr. nak main vai nyer whammy lick yerrrrrrrr.... hheheheheheh. Dia punya whammy pedal real tak izzi. Ada banyak delay tak.


4. Adakah noise masalah utama dalam mfx dan kerbekesanan digital noise reducer?
- untuk yang ne, sepengalaman aku la, jika sumber utama noise tu berasal dari digital chain dalam prosesor tu maka digital nose reduce akan lebih bijak menyelesaikannya. Tapi jika noise tu berasal dari analog source macam guitar circuit, pedal can cable sebagainya maka ia lebih sesuai dihilangkan guna analog model noice reduce.

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dont try this at home! nanti ultraman tak leh cari makan

- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
- jangan risau, aku giler mod pedal, tapi tak carik makan mod dengan mod pedal. Perabehhh duit lagi ada laaa.

Sebenarnya, pengenalan effect tu amat penting. Contoh macam phaser, ada benyak jenis phaser, vintage phaser, modern phaser, phase shifter, even rotary effect.

Even distortion, jika kita dapat beszakan, DS-1, rat, muff, metak, od-1, ts808 dan sebagainya akan menjadikan ia lebih mudah utk list down pedal favorite kita bila tiba utk upgrade to the real one.

TAPI,
MFX takkan improve ur play, Kita akan improve bila kita more buat exercise n more practice.

Ceta pasal dinamik, aku dulu lama juga pakai mfx. memang senang. dan sedap bila main. Tapi satu hari aku main satu phase of blues lick dengan amplifier without prosesor. Macam tak sedap jer. wonder why, maybe gua punya play memang hampes. Then, aku try balik plug to prosesor. Then everthing datang semula. Akhirnya, baru aku tahu, why they call it the fake thing.
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sifu2 sekalian..

macam mane nak balancekan eq kat MFX ngan eq kat amp? Rolling Eyes
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