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| khairold |
 Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: Les Paul Issue |
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Here's a VERY famous/controversial photo illustrating the neck tenon on Gibson Les Paul Standards (top - not very much wood to wood contact is there? Makes you wonder about the quality of the joint.) and Gibson Les Paul Historics (bottom), which feature the long neck tenon. Which one would you want?
Note: This photo was taken by Gibson and was put on Gibson's website in an article that described the differences between the Les Paul Standards and the Custom Shop historic reissues. The pictures were taken down after an uproar in the online guitar community - many were shocked and appalled that the neck joint on Les Paul Standards was so badly made. Look at it - there is no contact between the neck and the body except at the sides. This has a huge effect on vibration transfer, tone and sustain. In an age of automated production and CNC machines, such an obvious cost-cutting measure that had such a negative impact on the guitar's structure and tone is inexcuseable. Many people refused to believe that these were real gibson photos until they saw the article on gibson.com
Also related to resonance/tone, this shows Gibson's "weight relieving" of Les Pauls. I wonder how many Gibson buyers are even aware they're buying a swiss cheese body. |
I've always been a bit blur on this issue since I've never open up any Les Paul to see for myself(except to see the tenon at the pickup cavity).
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, read this one before. Great info...
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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fretted bros,
at last khairold brought the issue up. these are the issues which where discussed at gg pro shop about more than 2 years ago. we discovered that the newer gibsons got less tone and less sustain compared to the vintage models. it may have the looks but not the tone. the topics discussed are the issues like dovetails, angle joints and rising tongue. he was arguing on how of these guitars were made lately. i've always mentioned earlier that buying with your eyes on musical instrument could be dangerous... he has repaired lots of gibsons, but as been said, the older ones always have that 'gary moore kind of tone'. the newer ones, hmm, sad to say,,, get 70s one, or older the better! thanking khairold for waking most of us up!
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| xnoybis |
| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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is it true?
man that sucks... you are paying top dollar (RM in this case) for what u would think a premium stuff...
it really change my view on gibson guitars...
somebody please prove that it's not true...
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| gapster |
| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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stop spreading it !! shhhhh !!
Gibson owners surely feel very threatened now ...their resale value arrgh!
The Funny part is ..khairold has been selling Gibson for how long ..lol
browndog2woof..man...buying a 70's Gibson eh ? i guess its easier said than done ..
i am a happy and proud Gibson LP owner ..but i think i never actually owned , a real good high end LP that isn't Gibson ..maybe Guild or something..this is the problem with..too many epiphones 
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| danger3s |
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| ahh.. been seeing this a lot on Tokai forum. heh.. |
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| Erna |
| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| thanks for sharing this info guys.. |
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| khairold |
| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Even if I'm selling a Gibson right now I wouldn't mind starting the post gapster.. hehe
What I've learned is, no matter what you tell or pictures you show.
Prove that brand A is better than Brand B or whatever it is...
People will buy what they wanted to buy.
The resale value of Gibson will always hold good.
70's Gibson is still obtainable I think.
It's the 60's that's scary to be looked at.
A good quality Les Paul?
danger3s have a Tokai, maybe he can say something.
Myself have a couple of Orville, they're not too bad either.
Mr Woof,
Maybe I can bring along my Orville to GG's place for him to look at?
Would love to hear what he have to say about them.
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| gapster wrote: | stop spreading it !! shhhhh !!
Gibson owners surely feel very threatened now ...their resale value arrgh!
The Funny part is ..khairold has been selling Gibson for how long ..lol
browndog2woof..man...buying a 70's Gibson eh ? i guess its easier said than done ..
i am a happy and proud Gibson LP owner ..but i think i never actually owned , a real good high end LP that isn't Gibson ..maybe Guild or something..this is the problem with..too many epiphones |
fretted bro,
eugene (duke of rock) ada mau jual satu itu hari. we have tested the same guitar at gg's last time. call him bro, itu barang baik punya lo.... price sangat cantik.. ya, 70s memang susah mau cari la, aggreeable to that, tapi bila ada, people start comparing the price dengan new ones. some will say, baik beli baru.... ha ha ha! btw, some epiphones pakai neck buloh tau..... ha ha ha ha! joke aje lah!
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| browndog2woof |
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| khairold wrote: | Even if I'm selling a Gibson right now I wouldn't mind starting the post gapster.. hehe
What I've learned is, no matter what you tell or pictures you show.
Prove that brand A is better than Brand B or whatever it is...
People will buy what they wanted to buy.
The resale value of Gibson will always hold good.
70's Gibson is still obtainable I think.
It's the 60's that's scary to be looked at.
A good quality Les Paul?
danger3s have a Tokai, maybe he can say something.
Myself have a couple of Orville, they're not too bad either.
Mr Woof,
Maybe I can bring along my Orville to GG's place for him to look at?
Would love to hear what he have to say about them. |
fretted bro khairold,
sure thing bro, better you see the man yourself. nanti aku set after niks punya visit ya!
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