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| Satan Himself |
 Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: WTA on true bypass, vintage chips and American pedals... |
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Hi guys, would like to know your feedback on true bypass pedals and vintage chips..
Please feel free to post your review on pedals that you have played with the "true bypass" or vintage chips? and feel free to post your vintage pedal pics?
I have done a few A/B test out mainly on TS-9 Vs Ts-9 RI, DS-2 MIJ Vs DS-2 MIT.. the difference is usually a more warmer balanced tone from the older electronics. I'm wondering if this could be just on overdrive and distortion pedals or in all the other pedal like the flanger, phaser, etc...
I would like to get some feedback as well on classic american pedals like the tape echo, arbiter fuzz face, klon centaur, sola sounds, maxons? If you guys have played any of this?
Thanks...
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| 62jaguar |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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hahaha
bro satan..why dont you start 1st..i think you got a few vintage boss...   |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Aku nak bagi pendapat skit.
true bypass pedals
- sebenarnya ada pekara lain yang kita perlu consider pasal true bypass.
- katalah kita jadikan DS-1 taiwan true bypass, tapi bila No masuk litar sebenarnya still ada satu lagi buffer before masuk the real distortion stage.
- So why kita pastikan satu pedal tu kena tru bypass padahal dalan circuit pedal tu sendiri memang ada area tersumbat.
- Tip utk korang, sebenarnya, fet buffer pada pedal boss biasanya akan makan midrange dari raw pickup signal.
- mean semakin banyak pedal boss dalam chain maka semakin scoop la signal walo pun masing masing dalam keadaan OFF.
- So diorang pun suggest kat aku loop box. Ya i know that. Tapi walopun aku guna loop box, dalam keadaan pedal ON still kita akan melalui fet buffer juga. KECUALI remove semua the buffer thing, macam kita buat kat crybaby.
- Dan masalah maybe akan timbol apa bila timbol plak pop sound masa ON OFF litar.
vintage chips
- benda ne sebenarnya tak perlu dipertikaikan.
- pembuatan chip sebenarnya semakain terevolusi tapi audio/pedal teknology bukan lah primary dalam bidang ne.
- maksudnya satu chip tu dibuat bukan sebab nak buat pedal jer. Maybe lebih kepada arus nyer amplifier dimana tak perlu nak kekalkan sweet spot, the noise or sebagainya.
- Vintage chip sebenarnya ada banyak masalah, ada yang banyak noise dan ada yang tak tahan lasak. dan ada yang tak ikut standard.
- Macam LM308 utk rat adalah chip yang bagus utk pedal tapi utk bidang lain ia bukan lah satu pilihan yang tepat. SO akhirnya kita hanya bergantung kepada TLO72 sebab TLO lebih bersesuaian kepada banyak electronik dan bukan pedal guitar jer. dan pengilang pun tutup kedai utk buat LM308 dan consentrate kepada chip yang lebih berdaya saing.
- Utk DIYer la, aku sebnarnya biasa guna chip ikut kesuaian walopun sebenarnya kalo boleh semua chip aku nak try masuk pedal. Dengar dan adakah ia sesuai. Kalo nak selesaikan masalah noise maybe ada chip dia. kalo nak selesaikan masalah gain maybe lain plak chip dia.
- Walo cam mana pun ada juga musik kita tak sesuai dengan vintage pedal.
Component.
- sebenarnya satu circuit ne bukan lah hanya bergantung kepada satu satu componen jer.
- semua part dan design ada peranan masing masing.
- dalam pedal moden, mereka lebih pentingkan gain berbanding sweet. Jadi for sure pedal tu akan banyak noise sebenarnya.
- maka design akan sedikit di ubah dengan meletakan stuby capasitor pada resistor supaya abit noise akan dapat dibuang. Hasilnya Noise free tapi sweet terus tarak.
- oleh itu somtime upgrade componen kadang kala mendatangkan kebaikan dan kadang kala makin menyusahkan.
- If boleh kita faham akan setiap penambahan dari design vintage yang sebelom ne, maka ia bukan disebabkan oleh design vintage tak sedap tapi lebih disebabkan penyuasaian dengan componen pada design baru.
- even pcb or point to point wiring pun ada bezanya.
- kebanyakan IC vintage lebih noise, kurang high, tapi lebih warm.
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| Satan Himself |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: INfo.. |
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ultraman - wow.. good info. kena teliti balik gua punya set up..
Jag - Got some vintage pedals, they sound pretty alright.. the DS-2 especially. Bila A/B test ketara sangat.. less white noise also bila full distort.. Tengah tunggu DS-1 SS.. ha ha dah order dah.. How long is the shipping? Pernah beli pedal dari sana?
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| 62jaguar |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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oder dr ishibashi ke?
shipping dia? if ptg nie antar, selalu ptg besok dah sampai klia...
veri fast lah itu EMS...no worries... |
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| Satan Himself |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: pedals I'm gassing for.. |
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Jag :
GAS.. GAS..GAS...
I'm also looking for :
Metalizer, Xtortion, Fuzz-2, TS 808, CE-1, DM2. DM3, TU2, AD9, DSD-2
Dapat semua complete ler collection.
Ape guna Compressor pedal (CS-2) dalam pedal link?
Cepat nya ishibashi? .. dia punya online catalog tak cukup detail ler, daisuke san pun nak jawab pertanyaan slow sikit.. I Think he is not a gear head like us.. he he..
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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fretted sat,
ho ho ho! banyaknye tu!
woof! |
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| Erna |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: pedals I'm gassing for.. |
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| Satan Himself wrote: |
I'm also looking for :
Metalizer, Xtortion, Fuzz-2, TS 808, CE-1, DM2. DM3, TU2, AD9, DSD-2
Dapat semua complete ler collection.
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| 62jaguar |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
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bro satan,
hahaha..yeahh ishi nie mmg kureng sket dr aspek tu i think..daisuke tu pun mmg pelat english..aku ada penah talipon sana..mak datuk, dia punye english, is worse than some malaysian..tp yg aku respek dia cube to speak to me, help me to understand and give the best..
aku rase sumer pedal tu ada kat u-box ishibashi..you just have to search it out..tp hati2 jugak, pasal ada pedal mcm DM2, DM3..ishibashi jual mahal gile..kene search ebay and other sources dulu..then banding harga...certain brg mmg murah..hope this helps..
wahahahah...byk betui pedals...hihihi |
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| danger3s |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| bro satan, amp ape ko gune. saje bertanya |
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| Satan Himself |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: he he.. |
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danger3s - Amp? sekarang nie 2 nos micro cube ltd red, plug in thru stereo mode in the CE3, CE3 tu first on the link so semua pedal lain dah jadi stereo.. hehehe.. kadang2 fender pro reverb meember gua / mesa boogie.. gua tengah nak cari deluxe reverb, twin reverb atau JC 120.. tapi harge sekarang nie di M'sia melampau...
Jaguar - dapat dah!! serial number 7700, kalau tak silap Ds-1 nie momentary LED + old chip .. daisuke sudah membantu dengan penuh semangat!!! DS-1 is on the way.. haha.. dm2 + dm3 memang tak boleh beli kat ishi.. harge 1k+.. ade 2 pedal yang boleh beli kot PW-2 dan CS-1 silver screw.. harge ok lagi.. Macam mana kalau guitar? shipping mahal gak?
Brown dog - Kalau sebulan beli satu / dua ok ler, sekali tak boleh.. mana tau harge setengah pedal tu bole lompat 2 atau 3 kali.. lepas tu gua jual dekat ebay.. pakcik akan kaye.. kaye kaye!! yeah!!!
ERna - 
Dear guys, nak tanya sikit? Mana dekat M'sia ni boleh cari pedal maxon? ade siapa2 tau?
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| 62jaguar |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mr Satan
shipping for bass/guitar from them are so-so lah..tak mahal sgt..ang\d like i said..very fast to reach m'sia from japan..within 2 days bleh dapat..
guitar/bass with gigbag/softcase - 10000JPY
guitar/bass with hardcase - 12000JPY tp kdg ada gak international agent dia quote 14000JPY..ngak tahulah ngapa...
mr satan
i got a proposal for you..
tukar ur avatar to this la..byk ensem... 
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| Satan Himself |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: ishibashi |
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Jag - tengok ler dulu.. small items ok ler, big items susah sikit.. nanti blow credit card problem tu..gassing for a jazzmaster MIJ with matching headstock.. US dah tak bole beli mahal sangat...
I like my avatar my favourite thing to do on the clouds.. ha ha ... with Jessica Alba even better... hmmmm.... 
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Entah la, aku pun rasa kena tukar la avatar engko.
Sebab bukan semua orang tua kat sini, budak budak pun ada.
Aku takut iband jadi porn site pas ne... hahhahah.
aku pun tak ler baik sangat, cuma aku rasa ada banyak sebab utk tak tunjukkan another part of me.
don get me wrong yaaa.
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| otaiker |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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setuju dengan UltraCosmo..
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