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| Satan Himself |
 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: Delay.. |
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Cosmo - Oh... AD9 pun pakai MN3025? Tanya le rockok2 mana tau dia bagi pinjam?
macam mana pula ngan dm2 + dm3? beza tone macam mana pulak?
Gua nak cari satu tapi harge bagai nak rak!! Delay nie mengikut review orang2 bukan semua suka ngan bunyi dia..
Bunyi Delay tape echo tu ler gua suka betul bunyi analog ade sound muddy sikit tak macam digital tajam!
Brian setzer, shadows.. 60's sound.. Macam Lenny Kravitz punya gears..
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Satan Himself |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: Modding? |
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Hmm i'm not sure bout pedals, but usually in vintage guitars if you leave the axe untouch you get a better value than a mod one..
I've checked that keeley and analogman mods are more expensive than the usual pedals? why is this so? can anyone explain to me?
I don't mod but relic my stuff only..
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | cosmo dan his analog adventure, ha ha ha! penin' oh penin'! 4 trimpots cukup gile kan nak setting.... btw, aku dah tukar configuration, got to get slim delay la... carl martin delayla dan red repeats ok kot? yet to be tested la bro... dm 2 dan dm 3 tak semuanya sedap, that crackle repeat tone tu annoying, izzi bilang itu bunyi motosikal pakcik zainal. length wise ko tarik, the stronger the crackle. dia ada frequency sama macam chorus, tak bole over atau kurang.. dia pun ada gain, kalau lebih, dia akan distort. tak kira how you trim, get the frequency that lessing the crackle 1st. then trim to fit, get the repaets at standard margin dulu. muddy is another different thing... enjio trimming bro... ha ha ha ha! |
Aha, aku ada dengar benda tu... if terlalu lebih akan ada distortion kat feedback.
macam macam cara aku try ikut keadaah yang aku baca. macam bagi semua MAX dan set trimpot. bagi feedback knob min dan time min then tweak balik.
- aku dah boleh buang bunyi distort tu.
- dia punya +ve feedback... makin kuat tak renti renti pun dah aku remove.
- aku punrasa dia punya range delay time better di pendekkan memandangkan aku bukan main long delay.
- gain pun dah alter bagi bunyi feedback tu tak ler over menonjol berbanding bunyi asal.
- aku try listen to the noisy dan bunyi ringing pada feedback. Bunyi ringing macam piston block longar.
Malam ne sambong, maybe dapat dengar berbezaan. maybe malam ne aku nak bandingkan dengan DD3 mod aku... hehheheheh. DD3 tu ada analog simulation.
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| danger3s |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Modding? |
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| Satan Himself wrote: | Hmm i'm not sure bout pedals, but usually in vintage guitars if you leave the axe untouch you get a better value than a mod one..
I've checked that keeley and analogman mods are more expensive than the usual pedals? why is this so? can anyone explain to me?
I don't mod but relic my stuff only.. |
Generally,..
We're paying for the labour cost, that is the cost per hour to do a professional job done by a professional.
Keeley & Analogman usually changes different components in the part to ensure that it achieves the desirable tone of what the user wanted, or what they think is good. Modding a pedal just by changing certain resistors or chips is way too simple compared to what they do, because they need to have the ears and know-how to tune the pedals.
One more thing, usually pedal modders don't guarantee whether the end result will sound good or not, as long they've done what they're told to. But Keeley & Analogman do! |
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| Satan Himself |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: ooo... |
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cool man.. that's a real good explanation.. gives em a better understanding..
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| Satan Himself |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Ds-1 the holy grail... |
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You guys gonna get a kick out of this :
this is the view of a 1978 batch #7700 DS-1 board..
view of the long chip the TA7136AP..
view of the silver screw.
I was lucky enough to get the early batch made on the first year production..(my thanks to 62Jaguar) Its with the clear switch and momentary LED.. I found it a bit hard to solo in and out.. cause I'm so used to the switch bein on all the time.. but got used to it after bout half an hour..
I did the A/B test with a my other MIT Ds-1..
The MIJ version has a better midrange (tat's what my friend said) I prefer it because the sound is not so scratchy like the MIT..
The MIJ version also does give a slight body to the overall tone not thin like the MIT version..
only a slight difference but its evident.. unlike the DS-2 MIJ which is very evident..
My thanks to Ishibashi they did a great job shipping and packaging.. Very high standards.. It all came thru as promised.. they bubble wrap everything..
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | fretted cosmo,
ha ha ha ha! listen 2 benda ni kat ad9 trimpot...
1) crackle feedback
2) dog whistle
boing2, sure ko tak tido malamnye.... ha ha ha ha!
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Aku ambik cuti satu hari pasal nak tengok ocean13... hhahahahha
Sebenarnya selain dari 2 tu ada masalah lain.
1) distort low note feedback
2) distort high note feedback
3) noise bila volume high.
4) bunyi tin milo kosong pada feedback
5) increase delay time akan kuar crackle
6) increase feedback gain n respone akan kuar whistle anjing hahhaha
7) pot sctratch... sembo wd40 karang ne.
So aku buat beberapa mod.
- acually somthing bout high cut utk delay ne
- keadah yang biasa diguna dalam tube amp utk cut freq yang tak diperlukan macam the dog whistle.
- still mencarik original schematic utk study the circuit.
pengajaran aku dapat
- ada pedal vintage pun tak menyelesaikan masalah.
- still have to alter beberapa pekara tok jadikan ia lebih sempurna.
- maybe because aku ne jenis bukan beli pedal utk dijual balik dan tak kisah harga naik or turun asalkan dapat tahu the problem dan cara penyelasaiannya.
- wow, now aku dah fikir macam sorang programmer walo pun hanya tweak pedal... hahhaahhaah hobi dah campo dgn kerja... nooooooo.
| Quote: | | Keeley & Analogman usually changes different components in the part to ensure that it achieves the desirable tone of what the user wanted, or what they think is good. Modding a pedal just by changing certain resistors or chips is way too simple compared to what they do, because they need to have the ears and know-how to tune the pedals. |
- somtime lebih complex dari itu.
- bout knowlage n teknology n kesabaran.
| Quote: | The MIJ version has a better midrange (tat's what my friend said) I prefer it because the sound is not so scratchy like the MIT..
The MIJ version also does give a slight body to the overall tone not thin like the MIT version..
only a slight difference but its evident.. unlike the DS-2 MIJ which is very evident.. |
nice pedal.
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| 62jaguar |
| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Ds-1 the holy grail... |
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| Satan Himself wrote: |
I was lucky enough to get the early batch made on the first year production..(my thanks to 62Jaguar) Its with the clear switch and momentary LED.. I found it a bit hard to solo in and out.. cause I'm so used to the switch bein on all the time.. but got used to it after bout half an hour..
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hahaha...no problem bro..BTW, that looks clean..tak nampak busted sgt..
right now, you just need to raise funds for SG-1 and SP-1..wahwahwah     |
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Satan Himself |
| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Ds-1 the holy grail... |
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| 62jaguar wrote: | | Satan Himself wrote: |
I was lucky enough to get the early batch made on the first year production..(my thanks to 62Jaguar) Its with the clear switch and momentary LED.. I found it a bit hard to solo in and out.. cause I'm so used to the switch bein on all the time.. but got used to it after bout half an hour..
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hahaha...no problem bro..BTW, that looks clean..tak nampak busted sgt..
right now, you just need to raise funds for SG-1 and SP-1..wahwahwah |
Slow gear and spectrum? very over the top price ler... I'd settle for the CS-1 silver screw and the space-d.. don't know about the Power driver? made in taiwan...
Gonna slow down on the pedals a bit.. till i get more cash.. gassing for a vintage deluxe reverb or maybe if I dare the twin reverb.. ha ha.. slowly but surely man one of this days.. just a few more items before I closed shop on collecting..
Axes? I'm gassing for a jazzmaster and 70's styled strat.. the strat i'd probably "satanize" it by relic... found a new way to relic- "broken pickup covers"..spray with light acids then dry under the sun, then break the parts where you pick down.. neck pick up covers should have more breaks than the bridge ones.. awesome..!!!
How? dare to do?
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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| Quote: | macam mana pula ngan dm2 + dm3? beza tone macam mana pulak?
Gua nak cari satu tapi harge bagai nak rak!! Delay nie mengikut review orang2 bukan semua suka ngan bunyi dia..
Bunyi Delay tape echo tu ler gua suka betul bunyi analog ade sound muddy sikit tak macam digital tajam! |
Aku tak ada DM2 n 3 tapi aku ader DD3.
SO aku bandingkan AD-9 vintage vs DD3.
Ada banyak beza la digital n analog delay.
- Digital delay lebih cenderung repeat high freq. berbanding analog delay yang biasanya cut high freq.
- kalo kita letak high freq banyak dalam delay seperti pakai distortion pedal, Pada analog dia lebih teratur sebab ada high cut. tapi pada digital, jadi bercelaru sebab high freq keep repeat bersama.
- dari segi noise, digital lebih kurang noise berbanding analog.
- dari segi feedback, analog nyer feedback lebih banyak embience berbanding digital DD3 yang lebih flat.
- Bunyi first feedback dari analog masih ada natural berbanding DD-3 yang ada sedikit fake. Tapi berbanding biasanya DD6 lah yang paling fake. DD3 masih boleh diterima lagi.
- Direct signal. AD-9 lebih pure. bebanding direct dari DD3.
- Tapi dari segi clean sound dengan bright delay, for sure DD3 lebih memercik delaynya dengan high freq.
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| Satan Himself |
| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: dd3 |
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Gua tak minat sangat sound dd3 bile delay time lama.. ade clicking sound dan bunyi dia digitize sangat...
rasa2 nya analog delay terbukti lebih hebat dari digital..
Pendapat saya, DD3 nie lebih kpd bunyi euro emo kalau letak pada slight delay...sweeping slow solo memang cantik.. solo laju dia kurang sikit..
Kalau lagu rockabilly macam brian setzer dan reverand horton heat.. bunyi dia tajam sangat pada high volume..
Cuba le buat perbandingan dengan WEM tape echo?
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| city lights |
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Satan:
wah,od-1,ds-1 ss...mana beli?...drool.nak cari ce-1?for use or investment?
apa lagi vintage pedal encik Satan ada?
I think about analog and digital delay,it depends on type of music played and taste.with analog giving organic,natural sweet repeats and digital giving crisp,precise repeats,both got individual applicationla.
Regarding dm-2,my opinion is theres a strong character of its own,not that transparent compared to a maxon ad-999.But i like dia simple,sweet and nice,very good,straight forward vintage sounding delay.Think i agree with browndog on the crackle n settings though.
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