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Otaizam
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Jom bincang: masalah volume time solo ngan riff Reply with quote



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Allo kengkawan,,,

jom borak kejap, ni ada satu isu yang selama ni aku teripikir dan alami. Kalau ngkorang perasan la kan, orang biasa2 macam aku ni akan guna setup yang sama waktu solo ngan riff(main pwer chord), masalah yng biasa berlaku terutama bila ada dua gitarist dalam satu band adalah bila salah sorang mengeriff dan sorang lagi menyolo, sure sound yang menyolo tu tak berapa clear sebab bunyik dia biasanya balance ngan bunyik guitar yang mengeriff tu tadi.....

So, aku terpikir, untuk mengelakkan masalah sound menyolo ni tak clear better kasik up sikit volume dia waktu menyolo. then kalau dia nak mengeriff letak volume tu turun balik.....

AKu tau benda ni secara teknikalnye boleh di praktikkan... tambah je volume pedal ke atau buat satu patch lain kat multiFX kasik volume dia up sket....

So, persoalannya.... berapa ramai guitaris yang akan buat macam ni..... kalau ngkorang apa pulak cara nye???
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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aku orang pakai stompbox yang boost output dari guitar. for me, aku pakai ts-9. dgr cerita SRV pakai ts-9 yg drive kat 0, tapi volume no. berapa ntah. tekan memang bunyi naik skit and boleh cut through the mix. so, aku pun ciplak la setakat mana termampu. boleh laaa....
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bang, mmg ikut standard jemming budak2 buat mcm ni... heheh kan masa i-bands jem session dulu aku ada bagitau ko pasal benda ni (ke jem session dgn lineup lain)

anyway, kalau ikut style kudo tu, aku rasa tak sesuai utk metal... sbb dia guna pedal overdrive utk boost solo... biasanye music mcm blues ke ok la kot kalau nak guna teknik ni sbb dia punya drive soft je, so time solo dia akan add more drive (hence the term 'overdrive') utk kasik solo tu lebih menyerlah...

tp kalu main heavy metal yg mmg distortion meter all out cecah dinding, takkan kita nak tambah gain drive lagi kot? makin kotor la bunyi dia nnti... ikut preference aku, time solo aku akan kurangkan gain (so that tone solo lebih clear) dan boost sikit volume... nk lagi lemak berkrim, tambah la delay skit and optional slight chorus efx...

itu preference aku la, jgn dijadikan guidelines pulak... heheh ajaran sesat sbnrnye ni hahaha...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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deadzid wrote:
bang, mmg ikut standard jemming budak2 buat mcm ni... heheh kan masa i-bands jem session dulu aku ada bagitau ko pasal benda ni (ke jem session dgn lineup lain)

anyway, kalau ikut style kudo tu, aku rasa tak sesuai utk metal... sbb dia guna pedal overdrive utk boost solo... biasanye music mcm blues ke ok la kot kalau nak guna teknik ni sbb dia punya drive soft je, so time solo dia akan add more drive (hence the term 'overdrive') utk kasik solo tu lebih menyerlah...

tp kalu main heavy metal yg mmg distortion meter all out cecah dinding, takkan kita nak tambah gain drive lagi kot? makin kotor la bunyi dia nnti... ikut preference aku, time solo aku akan kurangkan gain (so that tone solo lebih clear) dan boost sikit volume... nk lagi lemak berkrim, tambah la delay skit and optional slight chorus efx...

itu preference aku la, jgn dijadikan guidelines pulak... heheh ajaran sesat sbnrnye ni hahaha...


agreed
aku ader prasan ramai band2 metal buat camnih
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Otaizam
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Deadzid, mungkin masa jemming masa session lain kot... masa kita jemming dulu tu aku tak dapat stay back lepak minum ngan korang....

ANyway.....

meaning to say ramai guitarist akan boost volume kasik up sket waktu solo.... sama ada ikut cara deadzid cakap atau kudo.....

Selain dai ri TS9 tu... agak2 apa option lain yang kita boleh guna kan ek? mungkin Equalizer pun boleh pakai, contoh Boss GE7 sebab ada level disamping kasik adjust sound tone ngan equalizer tu... tanpa mendistortkan dia

heh ehe
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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haa.. ni aku pening sket. org kata pakai overdrive utk boost.. aku try... tp mcm kureng jer. volume memang naik tp x besh ah. mcm main blues la plak.. kureng metal. aku rasa pakai equalizer/volume/mxr microamp/ ect lg bgs la. tp ini pendapat aku je la. i`m so noob Razz Razz Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: menarik Reply with quote



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bagi saya plak bang..saya pakai boss FZ2 bila solo..FZ2 tu ada function boost, memang kaw2 clear solo nya..hehe
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Add volume or gain lepas distort kita panggil pos boost.

macam main metal, biasanya riff kita scoop, so kalo tone tu nak guna main solo maybe boleh tengelam sebab nipis. kalah dengan second guitar or drum cymbal.

So kita add EQ pedal dan tekan hanya masa solo. Kat EQ tu maybe boleh add more volume, add more middle freq bagi bunyi lebih menonjol. kadang kadang kita cut 2 band high skit supaya solo tak bunyi tajam sangat.

Guitar> MT2 > EQ > amp.
- mt-2 set utk heavy riff, and EQ kita add balik middle or cut skit high or up skit volume bagi solo lebih kedepan.


TOP boost aper plak maksud dia????


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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kudo wrote:
aku orang pakai stompbox yang boost output dari guitar. for me, aku pakai ts-9. dgr cerita SRV pakai ts-9 yg drive kat 0, tapi volume no. berapa ntah. tekan memang bunyi naik skit and boleh cut through the mix. so, aku pun ciplak la setakat mana termampu. boleh laaa....


wah kudo! lama gila menyepi.. !
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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AKUM.......

hai tuan tuan dan puan puan...tukang batu dan tukang simen......

apa kabar kanda2 ibands sekalian...

sori la lama tak reply.....aku asik tgk forum jual barang tolak barang jer...



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bagi pendapat aku ......utk metal guna stail kudo pun bleh atau nak guna boss kete tank pun bleh sama jer....ikut korang punya citarasa....

ada yg tak suka kete tank..ada plak tak suke multi efx....

tak silap aku klu pakai kete tank.....tlg taruk la eq sekali....setting straigth jer pastu yg last sekali naik habis...ini setiing eq man kidal aku pernah tgk....

tak caya tanya ABANG IZZI, DOGWOOF, COSMO....( diaorg ni hantu gitar) hehehehehh......

try dulu lah .....


klu ada jem session jgn la lupa aku ni........


tq....akum
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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try this:

ada pembaca majalah pro audio/music bgtau kat dlm majalah tu, band diorang, sapa yang tak boleh dengar instrument bandmates dia, org yag tak boleh dengar tu perlahankan volume instrument dia...benda ni cam chain effect.. kalau ada sapa2 try boleh cerita kat sini blk...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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poundcake wrote:
try this:

ada pembaca majalah pro audio/music bgtau kat dlm majalah tu, band diorang, sapa yang tak boleh dengar instrument bandmates dia, org yag tak boleh dengar tu perlahankan volume instrument dia...benda ni cam chain effect.. kalau ada sapa2 try boleh cerita kat sini blk...
..chow...


tapi kan... apa kata kalau aku leh dengar gitar aku aku, drum, bass, vokal, cuma gitar lagi satu je tak leh dengar.... aku rasa macam agak pelik kalau aku turunkan volume aku kalau aku tak degar satu gitar tu je....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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macam tu ... naikkan sikit volume amp gitar satu lagi tu la... atau ubah kedudukan amp yang tak berapa nak dengar tu kot..pasal atu saja yang tak boleh dengar kan..

or turunkan vol gitar ko, supaya mamat sebelah tak dengar and dia kena turunkan vol gitar dia, actually aku rasa benda cam ni rough guideline untuk dapatkan balanced cumulative mutual level.. lepas dapat tu boleh naikkan sikit2 sampai puas hati... kalau semua turunkan volume sampai drummer kena main pakai brush je tak feel la kalau main muzik rock, heavy, metal ke atas..
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Otaizam wrote:
poundcake wrote:
try this:

ada pembaca majalah pro audio/music bgtau kat dlm majalah tu, band diorang, sapa yang tak boleh dengar instrument bandmates dia, org yag tak boleh dengar tu perlahankan volume instrument dia...benda ni cam chain effect.. kalau ada sapa2 try boleh cerita kat sini blk...
..chow...


tapi kan... apa kata kalau aku leh dengar gitar aku aku, drum, bass, vokal, cuma gitar lagi satu je tak leh dengar.... aku rasa macam agak pelik kalau aku turunkan volume aku kalau aku tak degar satu gitar tu je....


Ini yg biasa aku buat la kalo gi jam.

101 gi jam zaman sekolah sekolah dulu, hahhahahahahaha. Kalo dah tua, tak per, masa main boleh pulas pulas lagi.

1. kita bagi drum main beat dulu, Sebab Drum ne x der volume. hehhehe. Pastikan beat dan kekuatan cam biasa bukan malu malu nyer mode... kakakak
2. Bass kasih masuk, balance dia punya bunyi dengan drum, kasih dedua bass dan drum balance bunyi dulu.
3. then masuk 2nd guitar, add clean tone dan cuba balance dengan bass&drum, then try the dirty distortion setting plak then match dengan bass n drum.
4. Setelah cukup 2n gtr+bass + drum, masuk first guitar plak, try 2nd guitar clean dan 1st clean, then 2nd guitar clean, 1st gutar dirty or solo.
5. then both guitar dirty tone, n test the solo tone dengan kesemuanya.
6. main berterusan, so boleh dengar the defferent.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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abang atromen kosmo.... sounds reasonable cara tu..... pernah gak try cara yang lebih kurang macam ni.... dah sedap balance lepas tu mamat gitaris asyik dok pulas2 volume, then hi mid and lo.. reverb.... sampai ke ujung jamming....

tapi yang aku perasan la kan.... lepas je sound dah balance, kalau masing2 dah puas hati semua nya akan rilek cool tak kan usik volume atau eq.... tapi bila sorang dah start nak usik2 volume,,,, kang mula la... yangbass pun nak mengusik, gitarist pun usik.. kang vokal pun usik mixer gak....

ni yang aku perasan la....
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