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| Dufresne |
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| jackwylde wrote: | penthode = 5 watt?
triode = 3 watt??
btol ke? aku try kat amp aku ada switch triode and penthode. triode slow sket bunyik bleh crank. penthode kuat sikit x sesuai crank dlm bedroom.
aku ada baca review kat musiciansfried pasal blackheart amp. die tulis penthode tu 5 watt n triode 3 watt. so btul la kan??
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Depends on bape watt amp ko bro...
Pentode & triode switch is uually use to lower the output power of a tube amp. Triode slalunye akan lower kan pwr output sebyk 40%. So kalo amp ko is 5 watt, triode mode will lower it to arnd 3 watts la. This switch is use slalunye utk amp yg byk versatility, so byk sound yg blh produce...
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| jackwylde |
| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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ooo gitu. thnx!!!!!
so jd 3 watt la..
amp aku ni 5 watt je.
order sama bro azmok. best amp nih!!
bnyk sound leh dpt. 3 output tube, 2 type rectifier, n ect...
(maybe sbb aku duk pakai amp cikai je sblm nih)
btw, tube rectifier or diode lagi bagus?
sbb aku terbaca somewhere org kata tube rectifier ni kalo blow akan efect transformer. diode susah sket nak rosak.
tp aku ni tone deaf skit. aku x dapat nak bezakan sound kalo pakai tube or diode. so bro2 bleh bagi sikit guideline x?  aku nak tau apa perbezaan die baru la aku study dgr btul2. |
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| Dufresne |
| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Ermmm... aku rase amp ko tu ade 3 preamp tubes, 2 pwr tubes, & maybe 1 rectifier, x silap la. Kalo x sure tanye je mamat tu...
Tube rectifier vs diode? Hehe...
Kat i-bands ni pon pernah ade 'heated discussion' psal bende ni. Tube purist la kate kan, huhu...
Blh dikatakan 1/2 of the amps on the market uses tube rectifiers, tp setau aku Mesa Boogie Rectifier series je yg blh select nak pakai yg mane at a single time. Mane lg bagus tu would depend on the manufacturer itself, setakat ni aku x dgr citer lg psal Mesa Rectifier series dorang breakdown psal rectifier dia. Lg pon QC dorang very high, considering its basically hand-made. Dr segi sound plak tube rectifier bunyi dia smooth sket, 'spongy ' & loose dan byk dynamic. Sound dia x konsisten sgt. Beza dgn diode, kekadang dia kasar, tp lebih tight & lebih konsisten. Kalo main hard rock/metal mmg sesuai sgt la. Mcm band2 heavy yg pakai Mesa Rectifier series, sound tu sebenar sound diode, bkn tube rectifier. Sound yg same gak blh dgr kat modeller2 mcm POD, Boss COSM, etc. Kalo nak tau beza dia, kena ade amp yg ade kedua2 function ni, or at least 1 amp pakai diode, 1 lg tube rectifier, baru senang nak compare sound. Hope this helps...
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| browndog2woof |
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pergh! buat tangan aku nak type lak!
tube rectifier la aku punya favorite... tapi ada gak diode rectifier yg sedap.. macam fender twin reverb, loose abis.... bassman gemok sikit la but masih ada glassy. aku suka blackface ptp bukan pcb. aku share macam ni la dengan fretted bros.. ini aku punya personal opinion la, sebab aku dah pakai..
mullard bright and loose lebih kurang groove tubes
phillips fat and dark
ehx black prints.. high gain sikit
ehx yellow.. aku rasa macam sumbat je..
jj... ketat sikit sound dia
sovtek.. aha... buat masa ni aku suka la. sebab mullard payah nak cari, yg ni ada ciri mullard la sikit tapi more gain
shuguang... hmmm, in between ehx yellow dan jj
svletna... tubes yg jarang2 aku try.. so no comment laa
lepastu tengok lak kat pre amp section
12ay ... low gain tapi keras dan trebley
12au7... low gain and mild
12ax... raw power with some gain, cepat breakup
12at.. breakup lambat and more clarity
power amp lak
6clc gemok dan clear
kt66 gemok, clear and more treble
el84 pergh! satu macam sikit
el34 hah! apa lagi...shred habis tone..
speakers lak
jensen ketat
goodman terlalu hensem... semua pon nak sapu
celestion.. ada banyak kasta.. vintage 30s atau greenback je
jbl... aku tak ingat dah..
lepastu tengok lak..
size speaker...
number of speakers..
rojak pon ada...
type of cabinet -
open back atau closed back
tambah lak tengok ohms dia lak, match tak impedance dia
4 ohms banyak kat fender
8 ohms banyak kat marshall
16 ohms mostly bass
lepastu tengok lak wiring dia
series
parallel
lepastu tengok lak construction speakers cabinet
dove tail joint ka
standard joint ka
glued joint ka
type of material i.e. chipboard ka, pinewood ka, rosewood ka
detuned baffle ka atau belasah je...
fiberglassed interior ka atau kosong
pergh! ini semua la buat aku pening! last2 aku pakai, tube preamp, ada microcab dan computer speaker je.... ha ha ha ha! lain2 semua aku adjust kat pedal... tapi mesti ingat la, benda2 ko pakai tu mesti boleh pakai utk live, recording, samada utk jamming atau studio...
pedals lak mesti boleh match utk semua amp, tube atau transistor (kalau bole la). cukup je.. tak pon, pakai pod je macam kebanyakan studio sekarang... no need miking dah. sound engineer pon dah gemok2 dah belaka... buat penat je ko bawak pedal. tak perlu hassle, jangan sampai tak kenal patchbay dan mic sudah...
korang punya contribution memang highly appreciated..
cheers!
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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Ini la aku nak dengar... OIII jangan expired plak pos ko ne. susah aku nak buat refrence.
Aku pun ingat nak carik
mullard laa sebenarnya.
- tapi itu long leg vintage mahal nak mampus.
- dapat reisue pun boleh laaaa.
phillips JAN military spec amcam aaaa.
Itu jj preamp tube aaaa. ada banyak juga noise.
Speaker.
Ampage n ROLA tak der review kaaa.
Depand on amp juga, preamp type, power supply, kekuatan power transformer, baru la lain efect dia dengan rectifier tube or ss rec.
Kalo dah high gain nyer preamp comfom tak menyempat itu tube rectidier nak supply current. hahahahah.
Tak lama lagi, IZZI masuk la tu... hhahahaha. Oiii cergasssssssss.
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| omarjamaludin |
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aku masih 'dara' lagi dalam bab tube ni..awwwww
*takut ia menjadi obsesi di kemudian hari yg membuatkan aku belanja byk*
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| omarjamaludin wrote: | aku masih 'dara' lagi dalam bab tube ni..awwwww
*takut ia menjadi obsesi di kemudian hari yg membuatkan aku belanja byk*
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Slow slow brother, nanti sampai la masanya. Jangan risau ramai kengkawan kat sini boleh refresh balik walopun topic dah lama berlalu.
Masih kat UK kaaa. aku ingat nak mintak tolong carik buku refrence pasal tube tube ne... hahahha.
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| keysersoze |
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| browndog2woof wrote: | pergh! buat tangan aku nak type lak!
speakers lak
jensen ketat
goodman terlalu hensem... semua pon nak sapu
celestion.. ada banyak kasta.. vintage 30s atau greenback je
jbl... aku tak ingat dah..
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bro..celestion v30 dah masuk cab ker? kalu dah bleh ar A/B test dgn SAMMI speaker yg aritu ..test kat studio jam.. crank ,tgk mane lagi cun.. hehe
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| jackwylde |
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satu soklan bukan pasal guitar!
pasal tube amp (pa?hi-fi?)
saja2 nak tau. tube amp biasa untk degar lagu lebih kurang cam guitar amp ke?? ke lagi mahal+complicated???
jauh lagi best dr amp biasa or sikit je perbezaan dia?
aku nak tukar amp(pa?hifi?) cap ayam aku.
so kalo berbaloi bleh la simpan duit angkat tube! |
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| keysersoze |
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| jackwylde wrote: | satu soklan bukan pasal guitar!
pasal tube amp (pa?hi-fi?)
saja2 nak tau. tube amp biasa untk degar lagu lebih kurang cam guitar amp ke?? ke lagi mahal+complicated???
jauh lagi best dr amp biasa or sikit je perbezaan dia?
aku nak tukar amp(pa?hifi?) cap ayam aku.
so kalo berbaloi bleh la simpan duit angkat tube! |
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jack...try cari jack camni ,pakai cabel gitar masuk blakang pc soundcard--pegi kat gitar amp tube tuh..
preamp dier tuka ke 12au7 @ 12at7 atau nak pakai 12ax7 (high gain)pun ok tapi kene bukak slow ar..takut break up.. amp ade master vol?
tapi kau akan dengar satu side je, pasal guitar amp mono.
hifi audio takble breakup(overdrive) ~bertentangan dgn guitar playing(suke overdrive,dist.) aku mlm2 lyn blues camni ar.. sambil buat wiring
bukak mp3 ,tapi kene tgk band aper.. pasal tube hifi(single ended) mmg transparent.. band2 yg rekording kantol mmg bleh dengar..  bab2 rekoding tech kene refer org2 rekod ar ,bro grymlock ke, bro okta. tapi aku lagi minat europe/uk band nyer recording sound..
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| ok ok. nnt aku try. |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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aku terbau bassman 135 aaa.. ehhhh... 
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| ultraman_cosmo wrote: | | aku terbau bassman 135 aaa.. ehhhh... |
hehe.. dah kene pancing.. price cunn.. dapat pun kene repair dlu, preamp high voltage tak masuk. .tapi dah ok dah, 6l6 je tarak. pakai el34 kejap..berat tak hingat..
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| keysersoze wrote: | | ultraman_cosmo wrote: | | aku terbau bassman 135 aaa.. ehhhh... |
hehe.. dah kene pancing.. price cunn.. dapat pun kene repair dlu, preamp high voltage tak masuk. wiring putus2..tapi dah ok dah, 6l6 je tarak. pakai el34 kejap..berat tak hingat.. |
let's come and have a fire up party...., the bassman saga! tubes apa ko nak balun?
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| browndog2woof wrote: | | keysersoze wrote: | | ultraman_cosmo wrote: | | aku terbau bassman 135 aaa.. ehhhh... |
hehe.. dah kene pancing.. price cunn.. dapat pun kene repair dlu, preamp high voltage tak masuk. wiring putus2..tapi dah ok dah, 6l6 je tarak. pakai el34 kejap..berat tak hingat.. |
let's come and have a fire up party...., the bassman saga! tubes apa ko nak balun?
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Hahah,
dah biasa dengan circuit, aper sangat la nak repair tu. Transformer ok dah tentu tarak hall. fender nyer tranformer tahan lasak seyy, payah nak lunyai.
- kena buat half power supaya tak kuat sangat... hahhahah.
- semua ori lagi kaaa. huuuuu.
- pakai cap itam besar gedabak.
- kasih upgrade filter cap besar skit buang noise.
- phase inverter ikut spec lama, low gain black face, baru cun.
- semua cap ceramic kasih suka mica - itu high datang balik.
- cabut satu preamp tube[biasa bass instrument nyer], itu amp jadi tambah gain.
- bright cap bileh tukar mica bagi low noise.
- bias kasih moderate, 32 mA kaaa, 34 mA kaaa.
| Quote: | | let's come and have a fire up party...., the bassman saga! tubes apa ko nak balun? |
- Idea cun tu, aku akan present dengan bassman overdrive, full modify... hahhahahaha. Kena carik studio utk crack ne. kalo rumah aku takut bunyi sampai ker kawasan parlimen lain, trus polis datang ingat orang buat perhimpunan haram... hhahahaha.
- kalo aku nak carik satu amp, maybe aku go for marshall supaya boleh cergas study marshall nyer circuit plak.
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