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| omarjamaludin |
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| kakibiru wrote: | emmm..blues.
Topik ni buat aku rasa bila telan air liur ..air liur aku rasa manis...sebab sedap topik ni.
Samaada ..apa yg aku tulis dan kongsi ni nanti releven ke tidak aku x tahu sebab Bro OMAR x cakap pulak..dia nak tambah solo dia jadi blues rock ke, country ke, fusion ke, jazzy ke..dan temponya perlahan ke, laju ke...but, syok dan manisnya air liur kat tekak aku, waktu menulis @ respon post ni sayang nak aku berhentikan & habiskan begitu aje.
so, aku sembang jela dan tulisla apa yg ada dalam kepala ni...
1) kena minat ( betul2 minat )
betula tu apa yg sham cakap. kalu setakat gitu-gitu je minat nye..maka gitu-gitu jela blues yang kluar. Apapun, xjadi kesalahan pun..belasah jela.
Cuma , kalu betul-betul nak main stail purist kenala layan muzik ni sampai mual, muntah, lebam satu badan.
kena layan pecahan blues ...bukan 12 bar aje. ( Bab yg inilah telinga boleh jadi tuli, perut jadi senak, mata terbeliak melayan perasaan muzik blues yang banyak cabang , byk mood, byk citer nye).
2) kena jadi bluesman.
Sebab apa tak ada istilah blues star? sebab bluesman bukan karektornya mcm rockstar. bab ini yg susah nak faham sebab ini melibatkan kesederhanaan yg berperingkat mengikut susun jalur mentaliti dan pembawakkan seseorg individu.
3) pilihan instrument.
Renung dlm2 pilihan instrument , pedals & amps. Nak rasa bogelnya anda memetik blues cuba la tele dulu sebelum pi ke strat , lp dan gitar-gitar seterusnya.
4) Rinngkas untuk releven dgn apa yg bro Omar tanya...mau bikin solo atas progression blues > yg utamanya..apa yg hendak anda ceritakan dalam solo tu. byk artikel yg aku himpun, kebanyakkan bluesman @ blues player cakap..xde apa yg susah dalam teknik main blues..kalu bende tu susah..x bluesla pada mereka.
5) Selalu anggapan stereotaip: siapa main blues kira masuk kategori Otai.
Kalu otai pun..tak semestinye bagus atau hebat. Apa yg Raggy tulis tu betul sangat dan bende tu dulula yg patut di gali , di kaji dan dimengertikan sedalam-dalamnye.
nak pandai main blues x susah, byk dengar lagu, tiru dan copy pelbagai licks x kurang dari 10 gitarist handalan, peruntukkan masa ikut tab blues licks yg ada..dalam 6 bulan ke 2 tahun ..gerenti handal punye..
tapi,
nak faham apa itu blues, mcmana nak kluarkan blues dari dalam badan sampai keluar pada tone jari bersama gabungan 101 mcm licks yg dipinjam dari legenda2 yang dah sedia ada maupun yg dah mati.. ini makan bertahun-tahun sebab itulah dalam dunia beribu mungkin hampir berjuta gitarist yg mengabdikan diri dia kepada muzik blues..tapi bila disenaraikan 10 dari padanya dah mati..dan cuma 10 lagi yang masih tinggal dan mungkin hanya hidup beberapa tahun aje lagi!
Sebelum aku kena kencing manis , cara paling mudah, paling bangsat untuk mendalami muzik blues terutamanya gitarist..belajarlah muzik ini sambil menyanyi. jangan terburu2 nak terus solo. Semakin banyak anda menghafal melodi lagu-lagu blues..semakin byk bunyian blues akan keluar dari petikan jari anda. Aku rasala.
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Bila baca balik , malu pulak...mcmla la aku tau sangat ..padahal biasa-biasa aje ...tapi sebab blues punye pasal ..kalu genre music lain x beranila pulak nak sentuh,
apapun....moga kita semua terus maju dan jaya..Yipiii!
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thx dude! looking forward for part two..
let's all belajar from each other...
nanti ada masa we can open another topic maybe on jazz theory ke etc
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| Raggy |
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| kakibiru wrote: |
2) kena jadi bluesman.
Sebab apa tak ada istilah blues star? sebab bluesman bukan karektornya mcm rockstar. bab ini yg susah nak faham sebab ini melibatkan kesederhanaan yg berperingkat mengikut susun jalur mentaliti dan pembawakkan seseorg individu.
nak pandai main blues x susah, byk dengar lagu, tiru dan copy pelbagai licks x kurang dari 10 gitarist handalan, peruntukkan masa ikut tab blues licks yg ada..dalam 6 bulan ke 2 tahun ..gerenti handal punye..
tapi,
nak faham apa itu blues, mcmana nak kluarkan blues dari dalam badan sampai keluar pada tone jari bersama gabungan 101 mcm licks yg dipinjam dari legenda2 yang dah sedia ada maupun yg dah mati.. ini makan bertahun-tahun sebab itulah dalam dunia beribu mungkin hampir berjuta gitarist yg mengabdikan diri dia kepada muzik blues..tapi bila disenaraikan 10 dari padanya dah mati..dan cuma 10 lagi yang masih tinggal dan mungkin hanya hidup beberapa tahun aje lagi!
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100 setuju!!!!! Memang cukup tepat dan matang bro KakiBlues!
DiM'sia tak ada banyak peluang untk dengar bluesmen yg tulin, tapi di KL masih lagi ada "Blues Scene" di The Duke pub, Duta Vista...tokoh2 blues seperti Ito, Blues Gang , Purple Haze....main disitu 2-3 kali seminggu...why not go there and listen to them and also ask them to show tips on their playing styles? These guys are real bluesmen, and very sporting and always willing to teach...when I was in Uni >25 years ago,I used to hang around the Blues Gang wherever they played,and their band members would always teach and explain tome anything I asked, even let me jam with them onstage even tho I was just a student and beginner! Now we are real good friends but they are still my cikgu, if you understand, and I am sure if any of you goes there and talks to them (no need to belanja them, just talk and ask) you can get a lot of tips and help,and yes, also maybe can jam with them! One night of listening/talking/jamming with them is worth many years of study on your own.
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| omarjamaludin |
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| Raggy wrote: | | kakibiru wrote: |
2) kena jadi bluesman.
Sebab apa tak ada istilah blues star? sebab bluesman bukan karektornya mcm rockstar. bab ini yg susah nak faham sebab ini melibatkan kesederhanaan yg berperingkat mengikut susun jalur mentaliti dan pembawakkan seseorg individu.
nak pandai main blues x susah, byk dengar lagu, tiru dan copy pelbagai licks x kurang dari 10 gitarist handalan, peruntukkan masa ikut tab blues licks yg ada..dalam 6 bulan ke 2 tahun ..gerenti handal punye..
tapi,
nak faham apa itu blues, mcmana nak kluarkan blues dari dalam badan sampai keluar pada tone jari bersama gabungan 101 mcm licks yg dipinjam dari legenda2 yang dah sedia ada maupun yg dah mati.. ini makan bertahun-tahun sebab itulah dalam dunia beribu mungkin hampir berjuta gitarist yg mengabdikan diri dia kepada muzik blues..tapi bila disenaraikan 10 dari padanya dah mati..dan cuma 10 lagi yang masih tinggal dan mungkin hanya hidup beberapa tahun aje lagi!
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100 setuju!!!!! Memang cukup tepat dan matang bro KakiBlues!
DiM'sia tak ada banyak peluang untk dengar bluesmen yg tulin, tapi di KL masih lagi ada "Blues Scene" di The Duke pub, Duta Vista...tokoh2 blues seperti Ito, Blues Gang , Purple Haze....main disitu 2-3 kali seminggu...why not go there and listen to them and also ask them to show tips on their playing styles? These guys are real bluesmen, and very sporting and always willing to teach...when I was in Uni >25 years ago,I used to hang around the Blues Gang wherever they played,and their band members would always teach and explain tome anything I asked, even let me jam with them onstage even tho I was just a student and beginner! Now we are real good friends but they are still my cikgu, if you understand, and I am sure if any of you goes there and talks to them (no need to belanja them, just talk and ask) you can get a lot of tips and help,and yes, also maybe can jam with them! One night of listening/talking/jamming with them is worth many years of study on your own. |
that's interesting Raggy.. i guess i need to plan this activity when i'm in msia..maybe we all boleh buat lawatan sambil belajar anjuran I-bands to this blues club he he...
i'm sure there's alot of young'ins out there eager to get some tips or just listen to these old timers talk...
esp from my experience when I was studying in US - go up any old nicely dressed black man and man do they have stories to tell ..all these life wisdoms etc..
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i have been to the blues pub in duta vista ..it fvcking ROCKS !!
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well....kalau aku pulak....aku main belasah je.....tp kekadang x masuk pun....tp nak tukar2 scale aku jadi pening plak.....ade jugak aku tgk video yg ajar kalau progression die.....A7...D7....E7.....tukar scale mse dh tukar chord tu....tp mcm mane nak praktis macam tu ek??? selalu kalau lagu tu dlm key A...sampai ke habis aku main A pentatonic or C major....pastu pusing2 lick same je.....x byk idea...mane aje note yg senang capai aku main petik je.....brg yg aku pakai pun lebih kat rock je....tp nak main rock x gheti....
well....ni ade clip aku main......tolong komen......mungkin boleh tolong aku improve sket.....(time ni semua budak ofis aku outstation...so aku jd boring x tau nak buat ape)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0CKPLc0F4c
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| IZZI |
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waa.. sedap la sound ko bro.. nasib baik barang ko semua barang baek..aku tak reti komen sebab mcm dah power je aku tgk..
Ni pulak video aku 4 tahun lepas (tahun 2004) jamming kat serdang.. time ni tak tau tukar2 scale lagi huhu..sound tak sedap cam ko la sebab aku pakai squier humbucker + marshall cap ayam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3TavSPq9g8
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| IZZI wrote: |
Tapi cara ni lebih utk praktis scale dan mode dan untuk kepuasan dari segi teknikal. Kalau nak buat sesuatu yg lebih berkesan dan memberi makna, Raggy's statement should be applied. Zubira salah seorang advance player yg tegolong dalam non-technical player yg lebih bergantung pada feel dan soul. |
weiii..aku tak termasok dlm advance player daa...hahaha...ye betol aku begantong pada feel n soul and whther sound tu dapat ke tak..kalu tak dapat, mcm hampeh je main..kgkadang accidents masa main pon membantu jugak..masa aku record dulu pon ada beberapa accidents..aku tak buang, aku biarkan..sbb aku tak leh nak repeat balik menda tu..hahaha
kakibiru cakap pasal try to nyanyi blues tu mmg betol...kalu korang nyanyi, the blues solo tu kira nak complement the singing je..talk about feel, suara manusia tu la instrument yg paling penting....sbb tu pada pendapat aku, zaman modern ni, walau brapa ramai pon blues gitaris yg hebat2 belaka e.g. SRV, Kenny ke, dll. pada pendapat aku eric clapton is still the best... ko tau kenapa aku cakap mcm tu?...cuba dengar lagu "Wonderful Tonight" & "Old Love" dlm album 24 nights tu..and also Old Love version live at hydepark...dlm Youtube ada version2 ni smua..check it out.. |
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| omarjamaludin wrote: | | Raggy wrote: | | kakibiru wrote: |
2) kena jadi bluesman.
Sebab apa tak ada istilah blues star? sebab bluesman bukan karektornya mcm rockstar. bab ini yg susah nak faham sebab ini melibatkan kesederhanaan yg berperingkat mengikut susun jalur mentaliti dan pembawakkan seseorg individu.
nak pandai main blues x susah, byk dengar lagu, tiru dan copy pelbagai licks x kurang dari 10 gitarist handalan, peruntukkan masa ikut tab blues licks yg ada..dalam 6 bulan ke 2 tahun ..gerenti handal punye..
tapi,
nak faham apa itu blues, mcmana nak kluarkan blues dari dalam badan sampai keluar pada tone jari bersama gabungan 101 mcm licks yg dipinjam dari legenda2 yang dah sedia ada maupun yg dah mati.. ini makan bertahun-tahun sebab itulah dalam dunia beribu mungkin hampir berjuta gitarist yg mengabdikan diri dia kepada muzik blues..tapi bila disenaraikan 10 dari padanya dah mati..dan cuma 10 lagi yang masih tinggal dan mungkin hanya hidup beberapa tahun aje lagi!
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100 setuju!!!!! Memang cukup tepat dan matang bro KakiBlues!
DiM'sia tak ada banyak peluang untk dengar bluesmen yg tulin, tapi di KL masih lagi ada "Blues Scene" di The Duke pub, Duta Vista...tokoh2 blues seperti Ito, Blues Gang , Purple Haze....main disitu 2-3 kali seminggu...why not go there and listen to them and also ask them to show tips on their playing styles? These guys are real bluesmen, and very sporting and always willing to teach...when I was in Uni >25 years ago,I used to hang around the Blues Gang wherever they played,and their band members would always teach and explain tome anything I asked, even let me jam with them onstage even tho I was just a student and beginner! Now we are real good friends but they are still my cikgu, if you understand, and I am sure if any of you goes there and talks to them (no need to belanja them, just talk and ask) you can get a lot of tips and help,and yes, also maybe can jam with them! One night of listening/talking/jamming with them is worth many years of study on your own. |
that's interesting Raggy.. i guess i need to plan this activity when i'm in msia..maybe we all boleh buat lawatan sambil belajar anjuran I-bands to this blues club he he...
i'm sure there's alot of young'ins out there eager to get some tips or just listen to these old timers talk...
esp from my experience when I was studying in US - go up any old nicely dressed black man and man do they have stories to tell ..all these life wisdoms etc.. |
Yesss....The Duke is the place..jom buat "rombongan cik kiah ke duta vista"..catch these otais when they are still around...Hazizi of purple haze (thursday & friday nights), Zainal Rampa of Kool Sweat (saturday nights)..
not only that, normally after the 2nd set, there will be jam sessions..hahaha..u cld suddenly see Zull King, Dicky dll jam kt situ..Dicky ni mat johnny winter..sweetest blues solos come from Zainal..even Shahrin of The Shahrin Band punye blues solos pon lentok abis..
and best of all, korang boleh naik and jam skali...owner tmpat tu mmg suka orang jamming..meh pegi friday night ni.. |
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bro zubira.......fuh best gile lagu old love tu.......die punye feel....pergh...byk lagu clapton aku x pernah dengar pun....tp bro...kalau kene nanyi blues kalau sumbang bukan jadi masalah ke??? maksudnye....untuk carik melody bile kite nak solo blues.....sebab nyanyianku memang syumbang....he..he...
Izzi....dulu aku ade tgk video ko tu...mmg aku kagum gile.....mcm mane nak main cam tu eh????.....bg aku brg no2.....tone jari and cara main lg penting.....aku beli brg pun saje je...tp playing still mcm tu je...skg pun dh stop beli.....amik yg perlu je...
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pegh..
gua dh tgk brother izzi n brother nazeem!
kt youtube,..
gempak ar dpt main camtu..
feel lah kn.
err..pada bro nazeem..camne pakai brg2 yg bro pakai tu hah,?
brother2 lain tkkan tkde video kt youtube?? gua nk tgk gk.. 
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| radioflyer wrote: | pegh..
gua dh tgk brother izzi n brother nazeem!
kt youtube,..
gempak ar dpt main camtu..
feel lah kn.
err..pada bro nazeem..camne pakai brg2 yg bro pakai tu hah,?
brother2 lain tkkan tkde video kt youtube?? gua nk tgk gk.. |
leceh jugakla....kalau nak pegi jamming punye la sakit hati n sakit pinggang nak bwk......guitar>tonelab se > ADA mp1 classic>SPX900 > Ashly power amp>cabinet....
tonelab tu pakai untuk wah n midi control ke rack fx je. pakai sbb aku xde controller die untuk switch channel ADA ngan SPX....
tonelab midi out > ADA midi IN ...ADA midi out ke SPX900 midi in...
buat mase ni...amp yg betul je tarak lagi.....browndog sedang menguruskan hal ini......amp ni untuk PA je.....and bukan tube...
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aku pegi jam bawak amp Fender dgn marshall utk sound clean dan drive. Itu merangkumi head 2 biji, cabinet lagi 2 bijik 4x12, pedal2 semua pun aku bawak ke studio. Semua barang tu aku compress masuk dlm satu unit yg dipanggil GNX3000.. hihihi..
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| nazeemshah wrote: | | bro zubira.......fuh best gile lagu old love tu.......die punye feel....pergh...byk lagu clapton aku x pernah dengar pun....tp bro...kalau kene nanyi blues kalau sumbang bukan jadi masalah ke??? maksudnye....untuk carik melody bile kite nak solo blues.....sebab nyanyianku memang syumbang....he..he... |
tak semesti nye kot..ritchie blackmore tak nyanyi pon..tp solo2 nye sedap plak melodi nye..
alaa..adjust le sikit2..mesti x sumbang nyee..hahaha.. |
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| zubira wrote: | | nazeemshah wrote: | | bro zubira.......fuh best gile lagu old love tu.......die punye feel....pergh...byk lagu clapton aku x pernah dengar pun....tp bro...kalau kene nanyi blues kalau sumbang bukan jadi masalah ke??? maksudnye....untuk carik melody bile kite nak solo blues.....sebab nyanyianku memang syumbang....he..he... |
tak semesti nye kot..ritchie blackmore tak nyanyi pon..tp solo2 nye sedap plak melodi nye..
alaa..adjust le sikit2..mesti x sumbang nyee..hahaha.. |
Yup. memang betul, bro Zub, bila nak nyanyi blues,adjust sikit aje, suara sumbang sikit is ok,macam "bending" notes for blues harp 
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pergh!
jan... my guitar idol... 2 inchi atas clapton, 2mm bawah robert johnson... nice video man...
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