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| nazeemshah |
 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: Soloing Over Chord Changes |
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Assalamualaikum bro sekalian....(dan selamat sejahtera buat browndog2woof, izzi dan Ultraman cosmo) ok.....mcm ni ceritenye...aku dh ade rase buhsan dh main gitar ni coz bebalik cam tu je x de improvement pun....so ingatkan nak improve dr segi playing so I can enjoy my playing....pasal topik ni....ade x sesape tau exercise yg sesuai? aku try bermacam-macam cara tapi still x dpt...
Let say ade chord progression mcm I, IV, V....
dlm key of Am..... Am, Dm and E....ala mcm blues tu la....
bile nak solo dlm progression ni...mesti aku stay kat Am, Am Blues or Pentatonic or Bm Dorian or C major. Tp bile nak tukau key or transpose ke scale lain jadik problem......bile aku tukar je dh jadik conpius...so nak mintak pendapat bro sekalian.....kalau ade tip2 macam mane nak jadikan flow to smooth je ikut changes tu....mcm org main jazz tu la....rilek ye...tukau key elok je die main. Ni kalau dapat lagu yang satu key je sampai habis bulela nak main...tp untuk sesetengah lagu yg kite buat or yg wujud dipasaran....key akan bertukar2 menjadikan lepak di satu key untuk solo menjadi mustahil untuk menyatukan solo kite dengan lagu...so mcm mane ye...harap ada yg bule membantu
ps....sorry kalau bahse tu bunyi kurang ajar ke ape.....tak tidur dr semalam lagi nih.....so ngantuk gile....
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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Biasa la, memula kita belajar main guitar, orang suruh kalo main lagi Am, solo pakai Am sampai habis. Then, jadi lah satu tabiat kita dok hafal or master the scale tanpa ambik berat pasal chord.
Aku ne sebenarnya tak reti nak nerang pasal musi teori, aku belajar sekolah pondok, tepi longkang, atas tembok... lupa, kat station bas "kampong No 3 kuching" tu lah port gua dulu... kakakka.
Aku ada satu tip utk engko, Study the chord, macam jazz, chording dia unik, sebab from the chord kita create the scale. Sebab tu orang main jazz khasnya mesti ada mode, pasal every time diorang change the chord tak semstinya pada key yg sama.
macam kita main Am nyer key, then chord gi Gmajor, tak semstinya kita main itu G Myxolydian, kita tau itu C adalah 5th utk G, maka main C Myxolydian pun akan bunyi manissss. Mean dari normal kita ikut scale C Ionian atau C major nyer scaling, bila masa tukar G kita dah boleh main C Myxolydian. Cuma telinga kita jer boleh accept ker tak, sebab disebabkan biasa sangat main rock progression, kita dapati change cam ne a bit sumbang.
nanti senang gua bagi contoh, tak der guitar ne kat opis, gua jadi blur tak nampak fret... kakakakka.
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| radioflyer |
| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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gile ialah tk paham langsong~!
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| wreckens |
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aku pon x pahamm
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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Sebenarnya, kalo korang dah sampi tahap np progress dalam main guitar ne asik graf datar jer. korang kena study the music theory it self. from they kita kana nampak sesuaitu yg kita miss akibat tok consentrate main scale n chord.
Study naming the chord, from the chord kita bikin the scale.
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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Sepatutnya aku tulis ne masa omar tanya pasal blues nyer soalan dulu. Sorry omar aku bz skit time tu project dah dekat nak submit.
OK katalah kita main Am Dm n E ala ala blues laaa yaaa. should be A7,D7 n E7 waht ever. Aku tulis ne sedaya upaya tak guna formula musik ker apa karang semua tak faham. keluar ditonic formula pelik pelik nanti teknikal sangat.
kita tau blues adalh bunyi jenis major dan minor. semua tau itu kita boleh layan Aminor pentetonic or Amajor pentatonic.
Selain dari tu aku kenalkan 2 lagi pentetonic utk layan itu bues. aku buat ia jadi contoh supaya korang boleh main.
1. Bm pentetonic.
2. C#minor pentetonic.
Masa main chord A7, kita kasih layan itu Am pentetonic. layan layan.
ok bila masuk D7 kita layan Bnm pentetonic
then bila masuk E7 kita lita layan itu C#minor pentetonic.
masuk A balik layan balik Am pentetonic.
bila masuk E -> D kita layan Bm pentetonic trus campok Bm pentetonic.
dipendekkan contohnya
chord A7 pakai Am pentetonic
chord D7 pakai Bm pentetonic
chord E7 pakai C#m pentetonic
Aku sengaja bagi contoh setiap chord kena tukar scaling pentetonic tu sebab guitaris kena tau maaa aper chord supaya dia dapat plan aper scale nak main for the neck chord. Tak nak la, asalkan lagu Am kita fikir, tak perlu tau chord solo pun pasal yerla mesti dikalangan Am juga note solonya.
Kalo korang perasan, ini 2 pentetonic senang nak ingat for sure. sebab Bm pentetonic adalah lompat 2 fret dari A
- dan C#minor pentetonic plak langkah 2 fret dari Bm pentetonic.
So selain nak layan Am or Amajor pentetonic utk pogression A blues, kita boleh layan Bm pentetonic n C#minor pentetonic.
U all try laaaa. kasih layan lama skit then u all akan dapat tau, tak semstinya ikut contoh diatas sahaja. banyak style boleh bikin. Dengan 2 scale Am n major dah power. ne plak tambah 2 pentetonic lagi. hahahahah.
Let me know the result... yaaa..
PS/ add cromatic akan dapat soul jazz blues.
Solan aku ada 2 lagi minor pentetonic boleh layan..?
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| ETERNAL |
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jadi encik ultraman...
so that means on first scale/chord , we can solo on any scale that we want as long it sounds right?
after chord/scale changed, we have to decide on another scale that suits it to solo.
Is this means to get a nice chord combination, we have to make sure both solo-scale is harmonizes matched with both scale/chord?
Sorry if this sounds stupid. Just want to gain knowledge for free. 
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| ETERNAL wrote: | jadi encik ultraman...
so that means on first scale/chord , we can solo on any scale that we want as long it sounds right?
after chord/scale changed, we have to decide on another scale that suits it to solo.
Is this means to get a nice chord combination, we have to make sure both solo-scale is harmonizes matched with both scale/chord?
Sorry if this sounds stupid. Just want to gain knowledge for free. |
Somthing macam tu, tapi ada caranya. tak main belasah jer. Nanti hambo fikirkan cam mano nak norang nya jang. Slowly layan the first lesson kat atas. nanti baru boleh go on. Kalo skali gus tuang minyak masuk tangki, masuk telinga kiri kuar belah lanan la jadinya. kasih layan itu dulu.
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| nazeemshah |
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thanx cosmo.....
serba sedikit memang aku pahamla......but hamba kurang mengerti bagaimanakah praktis yang sesuai supaya bile kite nak buat changes tu x jd conpius........aku pun tau tau nak cakap macam mane....but bile dari satu scale ke satu scale tu kekadang rase cam main scale je....bukan solo....
hmmm.....
macam ni la.... kalau aku main... let say ada lick dalam Am......then nak tukar ke Bm then C#m.....bile nak tukar tu rase macam .....ulang balik cume main scla kat tempat lain..(alamak stilll tak tepat la penerangan aku ni....) bantula aku cosmo.....sesungguhnya aku tidak tau nak menerangkan apa yang ku tidak tahu...
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cosmo raja guitar
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bro.Oto.
kasi youtube lah..ibands youtube.
hehe.
blaja bace2 ni pening gk. 
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| ultraman_cosmo |
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| Quote: | | serba sedikit memang aku pahamla......but hamba kurang mengerti bagaimanakah praktis yang sesuai supaya bile kite nak buat changes tu x jd conpius........aku pun tau tau nak cakap macam mane....but bile dari satu scale ke satu scale tu kekadang rase cam main scale je....bukan solo.... |
- sebenanyarnya kau pun selalu rasa macam tu.
- paling penting pada aku adalah kita feel the melodic, maksud dia kita sendiri tentukan aper mode or scale walopun utk the same chord. of cause kengkada kita kena change minor or major or sus add 9th dan segalanya.
- cam ne lah, aper kata encik Jan guna satu beat dan main satu bass note contohnya A. Bass dan drum sahaja. carik la drum machine dengan bass note.
- from here start dengan A lorian. straming A Major then sambung trus dengan A lorian scale.
- Do the same denggan A dorian, play the Am first then sambung the scale dia.
- combination chord dan scale ne akan bantu kita identify kita berada pada mode mana.
- contineu sampai last mode locrian.
- it is not a short lesson brother, ia boleh sampai berbulan dan bertahun.
- Sebabnya korang memang boleh bezakan minor scale feel [Aeloian] dan Major scale [ionian] dengan senang sebab dari kecik kita dengar lagu kalo tak start dari major then start dari minor.
- feel utk mode tu kita kena tau, bukan nya pattern dia kaa, member dia ka dan sebagainya.
- contohnya kalo ko dah faham Myxolydian tak der masalah bila bila ko boleh pakai jika jumpa dengan major7 chord.
| Quote: | | macam ni la.... kalau aku main... let say ada lick dalam Am......then nak tukar ke Bm then C#m.....bile nak tukar tu rase macam .....ulang balik cume main scla kat tempat lain..(alamak stilll tak tepat la penerangan aku ni....) bantula aku cosmo.....sesungguhnya aku tidak tau nak menerangkan apa yang ku tidak tahu... |
- memang la ia kan nampak macam aku suruh ko main itu B minor pen bila masuk D. Dan main plak C# minor pen masa E.
- sebenarnya aku nak anda faham, kenapa boleh jadi camtu.
- OK. dalam simpoi blues A7,D7, E7, u yg decide aper key u nak main.
- kalo ko nak ia feel Am samapi abis, so man jer lah Am scaling sampai tua.
- kalo kita nak ia ada bermacam feel, maka why not kita add new key masauk dalam.
Dari contoh diatas.
- masa main A7 kita layan A minor pen. mean kita sekarang tengah layan C major key. ya semua sure tau C major dan Am tu sama jer.
- bila kita tukar D7, kita boleh main Am scale tal der masalah. Tapi the whole progresssion akan sound Am la. Sebab tu aku suruh main B minor pentetonic.
- mean, pada masa tu kita tukar kepada key D dan semua kita tau D mjor adalah sama jer dengan B minoor.
- So masa change to D7 chord kita dah tukar dari key C kepada key D.
- and lasst aku suruh kita tukar main C# nimor pent masa tukar E7. sama lah anda berubah kepada key E sebab Emajor sure kawan dia C# minor.
- so nada dah main 3 key dalam that simpoi blues progression.
- aku sebenarnya ingin ajar korang berfikir dan plan aper nak buat utk ahead chord dan supaya korang tak angap kita kena main satu key samapi habis.
Ini just utk aku kongsikan la.
- kebanyakan kita ada banyak idola, ader yg compare yg mna terror yg mana teknikal or yg mna paling laju.
- sebenarnya ada satu pekara yg kita lupa bila kita menilai sesuatu artist.
- pekara itu adalah "Macam mana diorang berfikir"
- dari carik cara diorang berfikir, maka secara senang nya korang akan dapat style music diorang.
- ia lebih penting dari pada korang beli gear, amp, pedal, guitar sampai nak sama dengan idola masing masing. Sebab with out know how diorang berfikir masa main, korang takan dapat aper yg dicark.
- tak kisah la hemmet, satriani, ker vai or santana, the still main scale yg sama tapi disebabkan cara diorang berfikir dan decide aper mode or scale or move, or feel or soul utk chord seterusnya menjadikan diorang unik.
- aku pun tak kisah bila dengar lagu tu solonya laju amat, or menarik giler or komersial gilos, tapi lebih kepada amacam seoreng guitaris berfikir.
- note is not all about the song, tapi lebih kepada cara seseorang tu berfikir, feel dia dan himself.
- artistic la plak gua... hahahhahaha.
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| ultraman_cosmo wrote: | Sepatutnya aku tulis ne masa omar tanya pasal blues nyer soalan dulu. Sorry omar aku bz skit time tu project dah dekat nak submit.
OK katalah kita main Am Dm n E ala ala blues laaa yaaa. should be A7,D7 n E7 waht ever. Aku tulis ne sedaya upaya tak guna formula musik ker apa karang semua tak faham. keluar ditonic formula pelik pelik nanti teknikal sangat.
kita tau blues adalh bunyi jenis major dan minor. semua tau itu kita boleh layan Aminor pentetonic or Amajor pentatonic.
Selain dari tu aku kenalkan 2 lagi pentetonic utk layan itu bues. aku buat ia jadi contoh supaya korang boleh main.
1. Bm pentetonic.
2. C#minor pentetonic.
Masa main chord A7, kita kasih layan itu Am pentetonic. layan layan.
ok bila masuk D7 kita layan Bnm pentetonic
then bila masuk E7 kita lita layan itu C#minor pentetonic.
masuk A balik layan balik Am pentetonic.
bila masuk E -> D kita layan Bm pentetonic trus campok Bm pentetonic.
dipendekkan contohnya
chord A7 pakai Am pentetonic
chord D7 pakai Bm pentetonic
chord E7 pakai C#m pentetonic
Aku sengaja bagi contoh setiap chord kena tukar scaling pentetonic tu sebab guitaris kena tau maaa aper chord supaya dia dapat plan aper scale nak main for the neck chord. Tak nak la, asalkan lagu Am kita fikir, tak perlu tau chord solo pun pasal yerla mesti dikalangan Am juga note solonya.
Kalo korang perasan, ini 2 pentetonic senang nak ingat for sure. sebab Bm pentetonic adalah lompat 2 fret dari A
- dan C#minor pentetonic plak langkah 2 fret dari Bm pentetonic.
So selain nak layan Am or Amajor pentetonic utk pogression A blues, kita boleh layan Bm pentetonic n C#minor pentetonic.
U all try laaaa. kasih layan lama skit then u all akan dapat tau, tak semstinya ikut contoh diatas sahaja. banyak style boleh bikin. Dengan 2 scale Am n major dah power. ne plak tambah 2 pentetonic lagi. hahahahah.
Let me know the result... yaaa..
PS/ add cromatic akan dapat soul jazz blues.
Solan aku ada 2 lagi minor pentetonic boleh layan..? |
Setelah try...
A7 tu kalau solo pakai A maj tak ok ke?
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| Quote: | | A7 tu kalau solo pakai A maj tak ok ke? |
- congrat.
- ko dah dapat satu lagi minor pentetonic.
- Amajor = F# minor pentetonic.
- that good. keep it up.
- aku memang tingalkan utk korang fikirkan.
Solan aku ada 2 lagi minor pentetonic boleh layan..?
- satu lagi minor pentetonc tingal ???
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A - F#m & C#m (vi, iii) E(v)
D - Bm & F#m (vi, iii) A(v)
E - C#m & G#m (vi, iii) Bm(v)
so is it G#m???
But in this case, should it be A6, D6, E6?
If A7,D7, E7...
A - G & C#m (vii, iii) E(v)
D - C & F#m (vii, iii) A(v)
E - C#m & G#m (vii, iii) Bm(v)
*vii - b7
confused.... damn
note:
1. So the overall scale is in A Major??
2. i, iii, v note build a major chord is it???
3. The solo could be played syncronizingly in the three scales/note to create harmonized sound???
now.. this becoming more MATH...
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