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ultraman_cosmo
PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Caya lah external... desebabkan engko seriously ikuti benda ne so aku tak boleh angkat kaki. hahhahah.

U dah dapat that idea dah cuma kurang tepat.

UTK Amaj7, Dmaj7, Emaj7,
Trick dia cam ne.

Utk Major chord, kita boleh main 3 major pentetonic.
- lupokan sejenak pasal 2 chord Dmaj7 dan Emaj7 dulu.
- major pentetonic ya, bukan minor seperti aku terang sebelom ne.

Kata lah Chord Amaj7.
- kita guna formula I, II dan V. diatonic kepada A major7
- seperti kita jumpa pada chord A major7
- I = A
- II = B
- V = E
- So korang akan dapati semua A Major pentetonic, B Major pentetonic dan E Major pentetonic akan boleh masuk dalam chord Amaj7
- itu lah yg cuba aku terangkan.

A Major pentetonic = F# minor pentetonic
B Major pentetonic = G# minor pentetonic
E Major pentetonic = C# minor pentetonic

Sebenarnya, panjang lebar kalo nak terangkan akan pekara ne, sebab u all kena tahu dari mula awal the chord dibina, the 7th note cohor, triad, tension note dan sebagainya. Nanti bila korang dah mula faham pasal the teori chord dan formula, dan mode dia korang akan faham this method secara logik nya. Aku sengaja bagi contoh pentetonic scale utk elakan tension note.

MEAN
- kalo korang form satu chord "X" major
- anda boleh layan semua major pentetonic yg berasal dari note I,II dan V chord "X" major tersebut.
- keep it simple sebegitu supaya ia mudah dingati


Tapi utk this lesson aku boleh simpoi ia semudah itu. keep it up brother.

Good Job. kata hancock. hahahhahaha


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ultraman_cosmo wrote:

Good Job. kata hancock. hahahhahaha


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ultraman_cosmo wrote:


Good Job. kata hancock. hahahhahaha


haha hancock part tu kelakar..tapi citer nye sepenuhnya aku agak blur

yeah pasal pentatonic mmg betul apa cosmo cakap. pentatonic tu basically di 'derive' kan dari regular mode2 cam lydian etc
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dan magic nya, ia terjadi sama dengan chord minor.
Let set, kita berada kat chord Am, maka kita still ada 2 lagi minor pentetonic boleh main selain dari Am pentatonic.
iatu
II note Bm pentatonic
V note Em pentatonic.

Benda kedua dua ne serupa melibatkan II dan V. Cuma beza kat Major kita boleh nampak major penetatonic dia. manakala kat minor chord kita nampak minor pentetonic dia.

Aku harap bila koranh lihat 2 diagram tersebut maka dia sangsi antara kita. hahhaahha

Guuuuuud Job... kakkak


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ada gambar senang sikit... Cool

1) Maj & Minor - I, II, V (A,B,E)
2) Maj7 & Minor - I,IV,V (A,D,E)

Yang aku nampak, kalau gunakan ( I,II,V ), kita boleh guna both Major Pentatonic & Minor Pentatonic.
Tapi akan ader problem kat Bm (II).
Pentatonic untuk Bm - B,D,E,F#. Tapi scale Am cuma pakai F.

Ape solution nye? mode ape untuk minor???

Tapi kalau guna ( I,IV, V), kalau guna Major Pentatonic & Minor Pentatonic,
Akan ader prob kat D (IV) plak.
Pentatonic untuk D - D,F,G,A. Tapi scale A cuma pakai G#.

Solution = Pakai Major7 Pentatonic & Minor Pentatonic.

ape benda aku merepek ni??
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ya betul..

kalau boleh bila goreng , stick to scales yg same key ngan the first chord (I)
so kau boleh guna any scales/mode yg based on the first chord , jgn based on 2nd pula kalau tak bunyi pelik

tapi bg aku kau boleh juga guna F# tu as passing note , kira kasi chromatic skit la tapi not emphasise on the not , just using it temporarily to bridge into the proper F note
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nazeem,

ko shred je... ha ha ha!

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nazeem,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRewopc1MwA&feature=related

yg ni aku rasa ok kot..

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huzai wrote:
ultraman_cosmo wrote:

Good Job. kata hancock. hahahhahaha


Laughing Laughing hahaha


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video ialah besh! ialah layan !!
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ultraman_cosmo wrote:
Dan magic nya, ia terjadi sama dengan chord minor.
Let set, kita berada kat chord Am, maka kita still ada 2 lagi minor pentetonic boleh main selain dari Am pentatonic.
iatu
II note Bm pentatonic
V note Em pentatonic.

Benda kedua dua ne serupa melibatkan II dan V. Cuma beza kat Major kita boleh nampak major penetatonic dia. manakala kat minor chord kita nampak minor pentetonic dia.

Aku harap bila koranh lihat 2 diagram tersebut maka dia sangsi antara kita. hahhaahha

Guuuuuud Job... kakkak



ye ke boleh gune 3 key ni dalam Am(Am, Bm and Em)

kalau chord tu Am?

boleh x bagi contoh video ke...sng sket nak paham....dh try but sumbang je....

wel...actually dh lari sket dr solan asal aku.....coz bukan scale ape yg nak pakai menjadi problem aku skg ni.....cume aku x tau praktis yg sesuai bile nak buat changes tu....supaya easily change the scales through the chord progressions. ....hrp boleh tolong ye....
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zeem,

ko tengok mamat ni rembat kat e minor..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGujRQh1FBU&feature=related

amp tube dia blast je using single coils.. tak ingat... scale rojaks dah.. kan aku dah cakap shred je.. macam malmsteen kat texas.. pasal dia best guitarist in the world tu aku tak tau la.. ha ha ha!

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ye ke boleh gune 3 key ni dalam Am(Am, Bm and Em)

- bukan key, tapi scale (Am, Bm and Em) pentatonic.
- still kita kena act itu A note macam root note.
- set note yg sama tapi kita lantik A sebagai root.

Aku memang kurang berbakat nak nerang bebenda note ne... kakakka. aku try. kalo jadi lagi confuse. mintak maaf jer la.

Maybe dibabkan aku menerangkan Am chord boleh main Em pentatonic scale. walopun sebenarnya hanya set note jer sama tapi dia punya root berbeza. Maybe disebabkan aku satu jetika dulu giler main pentetonic sehinggakan semua mode pun aku jadikan pentatonic. gilerr.

Sorry la kerana meng confusekan. maybe aku jadi confuse sebab ditulis I, IV n V padahal yg jan nak adalah [i, iv dan V] or [i m, iv m dan V].

Utk progression i, iv dan V kita ambik contoh Am, Dm dan E7.
- utk progression cam ne kita ambik contoh minor blues.
- kebanyakan minor blues ne kita pakai dalam rock song.
- aku biasanya ingatkan gary moore kalo ader progression ini macam.



Am [i] minor chord
- Chord for sure boleh layan Am or Am7
- Secara normalmya kita angap ini chord sebagai ROOT.
- bila Am act as root kita akan nampak Dm sebagai iv manakala E7 sebagai V.
- to be save kita layan itu Am minor scale atau A aeloian
- as u know A aeloian macam kita main C major
- boleh layan A pentatonic or A blues.


Dm [iv] minor chord
- Chord for sure boleh layan Dm or Dm7
- as we know dari Am, Dm akan kelihatan sebagai iv chord.
- So bila kita lompat dari Am - Dm ia adalah melibatkan i to iv.
- utk semua i to iv progression ada baiknya kita kekalkan key yg sama.
- dalam case ne kita main ikut C major juga.
- So scaling yg sesuai adalah D dorian.




E7 [V] dominant chord
- walopun biasanya korang main E major jer tapi sebenarnya E major yg ditambah lagi satu b7 akan dapat ini E7.

Cara 1
- as we know main dari Am macam macam keturunan Cmajor.
- kalo dari Cmjor diatonic, E7 adalah III.
- maka tak salah la kalo kita main itu Phrygian Scale.

Cara 2
- Lupakan pasal Cmajor thing.
- kita consentrate dekat Am, ok jika Am adala i, maka E7 akan kelihatan pada kedudukan V.
- so utk kedudukan V pada Chord E7 maka kita boleh layan E mixolydian scale.

Cara 3
- Oleh kerana E7 adalah dominant chord.
- adalah tak mustahil kita layan dia sebagai I by it self mean kita nagap dia sendiri root.
- so kita bolah layan normal E major scale.

Cara 4
- kalo kita nak add bunga pelik.
- kita boleh add b9 or 9# note utk kasih tension.
- dominant chord kalo kita tambah b9 or 9# note akan menyebabkan ia jadi altered scale
- hasilnya kita boleh layan altered scale.

Cara 5
- paling coman la utk main lagu rock.
- layan jer Am harmonic minor scale pada E major ne.
- dalam kes ne kita pangil ia Phrygian dominant scale yg biasa ada pada harmonic minor scale mode.

Cara 6
- Kalo dalam jazz kita ada melodic minor thing selain mode biasa yg berasakan major.
- Disebabkan ini E7 adalah no 5 dari melodic minor A jadi scale yg sesuai adalah Mixolydian b13 scale.
- ne aku hold dulu. pasal kita tau mode utk Major scale dan jarang orang study ini melodic minor nyer mode.
- aku guna yg ne pasal gua minor base nyer guitarist. hahahahahahaha.

Cara LAIN
- lydian dominant scale
- half/whole diminished scale

Ps/
jangan confuse dengan I dan i.
I = major
i or im = minor

Pasal video, aku ne masaih duduk di zaman batu, harap yg lain boleh bikin video. or carik jer dekat utube the similar contoh progression.

kalo salah, harap perbetulkan, kami budak baru belajar.
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