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| adzakael |
 Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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i see it more towards acknowledgment rather than separation
true we sometimes need to see ppl beyond its color
but sometimes we do need to recognize things that makes them unique from another person or tribes or nation
as we see in Al-Quran, Allah says in Surah Al-Hujurat 49:13
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."
however the one that will make the acknowledgment noble or evil is always the aim. Nazi created similar program in order to glorify the Aryan as the master race and to show the weakness/defect in other ethnic.
so if the research was aimed to identify eating pattern of certain ethnic (so that we never serve beef as part of Deepavali promotion,for example),I think it is okay.
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| grayheadphones |
| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| i very much agree with adzakael actually in your scenario, as much as it seems its contradictory of what i've said in my previous posts - though it can be seen as extension of my point. it shows that we are really also treading on thin line when it comes to a sensitive matters like this and full transparency is always needed for the sake of 100% (and not just 99%) understanding. your good vs evil argument demonstrates exactly why this is needed. |
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| danger3s |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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the only way to close the gap ( or the least loosen up the racial prejudice ) which all races in malaysia are having problem with is inter-racial marriage. this norm is being practiced in other liberal countries where religion is not a subject of discussion on almost every aspect, but then again i'm not suggesting malaysian should not hold to their religion but there must be a way around that. one of that unevitably concerning conversion from one religion to another but that's a whole new matter to argue about.
it's just sad that even after over 70 years sleeping on the same pillow malaysians still can't successfully procreate a new generation free from racial prejudice against another.
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| khairold |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| grayheadphones wrote: | | i've had the chance to live in malaysia, west africa, hong kong and the uk and malaysia |
thats cool dude; living all over the world
what do u do for a living? |
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| grayheadphones |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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khairold, my dad had businesses in those countries and we got to live there while he was there.
danger3s, i strongly agree on the inter-racial marriage issue, especially because i've had personal experience with a relationship that had to end because of that very reason, she was catholic chinese, and i was muslim malay. after 5 years, for us everything was strong as ever, nobody was cheating anybody, no one was bored of each other (most of the time! haha!) and both our families were comfortable with each other as well. but after 5 years, in most relationship, naturally you'd get into the next stage: marriage. and this proved to be impossible for us. catholicism's stance as we all know are as tough as muslims, so her converting is out of the question. plus, personally i'm against people converting religions *only* for the sake of 'marriage'. for myself, well, that converting thought did not even crossed mind, alhamdullilah. and the average greather malaysian familes, arent very forgiving either, when it comes to converting religions, as you have mentioned. we couldnt see any way a catholic and a muslim marry each other without being frowned upon by the general society.
so we ended it there. our reason was plain and simple: religion. |
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| kalium |
| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: |
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I've been boycotting Pizza Hut for decades.
I'm offended by the fact that they call the disc-like crap topped by synthetic cheese and reconstituted rejected tomatoes they serve, "pizza".
And their excuse for flagging customer's ethnicity is just as idiotic. At the end of the day, you want to figure out what product moves the most, the fastest. There's no need to know what the race of your consumer is.
| grayheadphones wrote: | | us malaysians have a really high tolerance to racism or we've been somehow brainwashed and cultured to have this mentality. i still cant pinpoint exactly at which point all this became acceptable, and how it still is. |
It is the latter. And it's been like that to varying degrees since the various races came to this country. There hasn't been a single person/group/government who's had the maturity and self confidence to look past race and religion to form a Bangsa Malaysia.
I'm saddened because I thought the racism and rabid parochialism that surrounded me in the 70's and 80's would disappear in the new millenia and the next generation would be color blind. Unfortunately, this never happened and it seems that an intense form of racism and parochialism has been ground into MANY young folk (teens-30's) deeper than it has been during my generation.
You don't have to go far, just read the threads in this forum. Many of the postings reek of malay and islamic supremacy. Often times, they don't even realize what they are saying is bigoted.
If the largest racial and politically controlling community, malay muslims, don't shed their racism and superiority (borne from a severe inferiority and persecution complex), the current xenophobia will continue until the cows come home. |
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| kalium |
| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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"the only way to close the gap ( or the least loosen up the racial prejudice ) which all races in malaysia are having problem with is inter-racial marriage. "
I assume you're referring to malay(mainly)-muslim and non muslim inter-faith marriages, not inter-racial?
I doubt any malay muslim parents would object if their kid decided to marry an muslim Indian, Chinese, Arab or Caucasian.
Interfaith marriage between Hindus, Christians, Buddhists and Agnostics is not uncommon in Malaysia and is LEGAL.
For a Catholic to marry a Hindu, as long as the couple were committed to themselves and didn't believe religion to be a barrier - or had just evolved away from religion, they could register in a civil ceremony.
Sure, they'd have to deal with pressure from their families and communities...but I know many who've told their families to take a flying f*ck. They are now legally married in the civil court.
Now you can't do that if one of the parties is muslim..because conversion to islam would be required by the law since the marriage of a muslim is governed by syariah law.
Hence, interfaith marriage IS common in Malaysia, unless one party is muslim.
The only way to do that is to have 100% secular law. But I can imagine a bunch of people getting their panties in a twist over that.
If the theocratic component didn't exist in our legal system, I can think of tons of people who'd be quite happy with a civil or common law marriage.
| danger3s wrote: | the only way to close the gap ( or the least loosen up the racial prejudice ) which all races in malaysia are having problem with is inter-racial marriage. this norm is being practiced in other liberal countries where religion is not a subject of discussion on almost every aspect, but then again i'm not suggesting malaysian should not hold to their religion but there must be a way around that. one of that unevitably concerning conversion from one religion to another but that's a whole new matter to argue about.
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| grayheadphones |
| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: |
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i agree with kalium re: interfaith / interracial marriage.
and the other thing about the laws in malaysia is that (correct me if i'm wrong), some seemingly 'islamic' laws are being applied and the complexity of it makes non-muslims (and even muslims) misunderstand the law, which i dont agree with. |
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